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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 15, 2022 13:27:27 GMT -5
How was Tomo's fail spoiled in 39?
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 9, 2022 11:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 8, 2022 17:29:55 GMT -5
Oh boy the T ## - Participante vids lol... take me back
I think that uploader may have been a user on this forum if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 7, 2022 6:38:29 GMT -5
Recently I think he's just been bombing lol, but his 28 run was impressive to me. I always found it funny he's the same age as Nagano.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 5, 2022 18:10:08 GMT -5
Wow that is sad. I still remember her cheering him on in the sidelines during his breakout performance in 27. She looked so young I didn't even think it was his mother at first. I wish Ryo and his family well during this very hard time
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 4, 2022 17:58:14 GMT -5
I think the obstacle was harder than it looked and was one of the big casualties seen in 25-27's First Stage (Roulette Cylinder, Doorknob Grasper, Floating Boards, and the original Flying Bar were all ingenious cut obstacles too). The fact the rings slid while you swung meant you had to have a lot more to your swing than the Jumping Bars required. No show to this day has repeated this concept matching its original incarnation that I have seen.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 4, 2022 8:45:48 GMT -5
If I had to make 6 All Stars out of what we have now from most to least deserving imo:
Morimoto Yusuke Tada Tatsuya Sato Jun Yoshiyuki Yamamoto Matachi Ryo Yamamoto Keitaro
Sorry Araki. You were my next pick.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 26, 2022 12:06:31 GMT -5
Good thread in here with a lot of salient points.
Stage 1:
I personally liked the Pole Maze getting removed. I thought it was too hard and potentially time consuming early on in like 19-20. In 21 they nerfed it, so it wasn't nearly as bad. Even then I preferred the Curtain Slider and X-Bridge over it lol. The Circle Hammer was a pretty cumbersome obstacle though.
The Duodectuple Step or whatever it was called added in 23 felt like a great change to me. Harder than the Sextuple Step, but not too hard.
Then of course you have the Flying Chute getting removed in 22, and again I have to say it was another preferable change to me. The Flying Chute looked gnarly and painful and just was such an iffy obstacle to clear at times technique wise. I thought the Slider Jump was a fine replacement.
Overall I really thought 24's Stage 1 was pretty ideal for Shin Sasuke. Yeah, the X-Bridge was lame I guess, but I still preferred it over the Pole Maze, and having the second obstacle spot seemingly being a non-fixed obstacle each tournament seemed cool.
Stage 2:
Like OP said, I think it's safe to say Stage 2 only got better as Shin Sasuke went on. The Unstable Bridge was an excellent addition and really meshed well with the Salmon Ladder in 24.
Stage 3:
Here I'll agree the producers partially stopped caring after a certain point like sackeshi and tns said lol. In 22 we can probably all agree the stage was fine difficulty wise up to that point. In 23 and 24 they seemed to be intent on having more clears as oppose to earlier Shin Sasuke tournaments, but even then, I still would give 23 and even 24's Stage 3 a pass. Only Kanno and Nagano cleared in 23, and Yuuji in 22. Compare that to 1-17's changes to Stage 3 in comparison to Stage 3 clears before each previous Kanzen. Specifically from 7-12 we saw a much larger number of Stage 4 attempts with little changes made to Stage 3 until Sasuke 14. In fact in Sasuke 12 there were three Stage 4 attempts and one of them was Nagano missing it by a hair. Sasuke 13 we saw no significant changes made to Stage 3, and the gap between 4 and 13, and 17 and 24 is only a few tournaments.
If we carry this precedent over to Shin Sasuke, I think it'd be more fair to have criticism if 25 was not a renewal tournament and Stage 3 was left pretty much untouched like in 24. Mostly because 5/7 people cleared the stage in the tournament prior.
Stage 4:
To be fair the stage was no gimme, as only Yuuji cleared it out of five competitors in 24. Were they expecting this to be a Kanzen tournament? I don't think it's obvious either way, BUT what I think the producers did want, as mentioned in this thread, was for there to be more Stage 4 time in the show after the drought that was 18-22. To the producers' credit the stage's time limit was already cut after Yuuji's attempt in 22. Meaning Yuuji's win in 24 was far from a handout.
This brings us back to the main point presented ITT, was Shin Sasuke so significantly nerfed as to take away from the Kanzen in 24? I don't think so. I think Stage 1's nerfing balanced out Stage 2's buffing, and I don't think there were ever any inherent problems with Stages 3 and 4 in my opinion.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 17, 2022 13:05:11 GMT -5
Impressive work compiling this lol
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 15, 2022 14:33:10 GMT -5
So #98 has cleared Stage 2 18 times, yet has never cleared Stage 3. Wild. Only four of those Stage 3 attempts were Takeda.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 10, 2022 14:38:38 GMT -5
Never really thought of this, but it makes sense. We got some of the best first stage renewals in post-M9 Sasuke only after tournaments where the stage was proven too easy (Sasuke 30 and 34 specifically, although there was a good renewal for Sasuke 32's Stage 1 as well after Yusuke's Kanzen).
Good observation on 39 being one of these relatively easier Stage 1's barring the rain's effect on competition day. I will say that I don't think production is as oblivious as you might be fearing, BUT they might recognize there will be heaps of clears in 40 like there should have been in 39 and STILL allow it to happen so they can wait until 41 to revamp anything, and just go, "well the course wasn't dominated technically until Sasuke 40 lol."
So if 40's Stages 1 and 2 are left the same as in 39, I think it will be intentional rather than production just being clueless as to why 39's Stage 1 ended the way it did. I can see this actually happening unfortunately...
MAYBE they'll throw us a bone and just give us something in between no change and the type of course modification that 35 brought us with the Dragon Glider and the cutting of Stage 1's end and time limit. Meaning if they can just give us something like one major obstacle change like the Dragon Glider was and maybe a minor tweak on another one like the Fishbone Kai was, that can be a happy compromise.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 10, 2022 9:55:53 GMT -5
When do they usually start filming? The last two years they filmed right around Halloween time (October 30ish) iirc. Both tournaments then aired a little before New Years of that year. That's a little less than a two month gap between filming and airing. It seems possible that they're going to start filming earlier this year as they're already requesting applications earlier than usual. For perspective, Sasuke 39 was announced early September, whereas 40 was announced late April. That's over a four month difference, so it's possible we'll see a late summer/early fall airing of 40 (like Septemberish), with perhaps a filming date around early July or so. This is all pure speculation on my part based on previous time restraints of past competitions. It probably will be different honestly.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 7, 2022 13:58:26 GMT -5
There aren't any old obstacles I wanted back at all honestly (I just want new ones or at least highly modified old ones if anything), but here's what I want removed if you don't mind me mentioning them in this thread:
Completely agree that the first three obstacles of Stage 1 need to go already. I also hate the double Warped Wall and want it to go back to how it was in 38. Having to watch the Tackle and the smaller wall back to back isn't enjoyable.
Stage 2 is pretty solid, but would be better had they not nerfed the log. I'd like to see the SL Nobori/Kudari swapped out for a new even more technical version.
Agreed again that on Stage 3 the Flying Bar needs to be put at the end at the same capacity as 25-26. I don't like the Sidewinder too much, but it's alright. I guess it's a decent strength sap, but it's straight up painful. Swing Edge is okay I guess. Don't like how it's just straight up technique and that's all it tests. Also looks like a head injury waiting to happen. CHD is ridiculous but there's really no going back at this point. They need to make sure the motors don't cheat competitors out of a potential clear like Sato. Vertical Limit Kai is a good obstacle. Pipe Slider is a husk of its former self.
Final Stage is probably A-OK.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 6, 2022 9:15:40 GMT -5
The Tomo in the 80s range makes sense. My main reason for keeping him in the mid 90s this tournament is because it's potentially his last, and the guy was a top tier competitor for much of post M9 Sasuke.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 5, 2022 9:52:47 GMT -5
Interesting numbers, especially putting Shingo at #1 lol, though I actually rate that idea. And by optimal fast forwards I assume you mean grouping Shunsuke and Kanno together so that their Dragon Glider fails get fast-forwarded, lol. Well Kanno and Shunsuke, and I think you could even FF Sato and Keitaro in Stage 1 and still show them in later stages. I think that's how they'd treat the All Stars pre-Shin Sasuke in the show. Maybe not though as it might be best to have some space between Darvish and Snowman. But definitely they could FF #86-88 and someone like Araki. Put Shingo at #1 because it's the 40th anniversary and we can at least pretend that he'll be the 3901st attempt on the course because of his attendance record. Putting Tomo at #95 was probably contentious, but I think he'd be a more interesting run to watch than any of the Morimoto Sedai mainly given his recent fail streak, plus they could also use his recent climbing gym opening as an impressive fluff piece.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 4, 2022 21:46:21 GMT -5
4000: Yusuke Morimoto 3999: Yuuji Urushihara 3998: Makoto Nagano 3997: Yamada Katsumi 3996: Tada Tatsuya 3995: Tomohiro Kawaguchi 3994: Snowman 3993: Sato Jun 3992: Yamamoto Keitaro 3991: Kajihara Hayate 3990: Darvish Kenji 3989: Kan Yutaka 3988: Ryo Matachi 3987: Suzuki Yusuke 3986: Mutou Tomohiro 3981: ABC-Z 3977: Araki Naoyuki 3976: Takeru 3975: Ayano Oshima 3974: Hitoshi Kanno 3973: Shunsuke Nagasaki 3960: Hioki Masashi 3952: Yamamoto Yoshiyuki 3950: Isa Yoshinori 3940: Goto Yusuke 3930: Sugata Rinne 3929: Ajima Hideki 3920: Saikawa Koji 3901: Shingo Yamamoto
Making this list made me realize even more how much Yusuke overshadows every single other competitor, and it's not even close. Only putting Yamada up that high because it's an anniversary tournament. I try to consider optimal editing fastforwards in my lineups.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on May 1, 2022 22:00:52 GMT -5
I'll go first 1st stage semi realistic dream redesign 1. Barrel roll (not rolling hill just the first part starting at the platform) I suspect it will result in a quick end for most of the contestants that don't stand a chance without taking 40 seconds to happen due to the quad steps. 2. Rolling escargot- This is the hardest of the iterations of the "log" obstacles. 3. Poll maze- Underrated obstacle that requires proper technique to avoid losing too much time. 4. Dragon Slider- Modified so you have to cross both tracks with the same bar. 5. 17 foot warped all from SASUKE 19-24- It was the hardest iteration in history. 6. (I know never going to happen) Flying chute. If not that then Slider Jump into Tarzan rope. 7. 30 foot Rope ladder. 80 seconds. Stage 2- 1. Tackle- That fits better on stage 2 as a time waster 2. Swap salmon ladder- If they fixed it, it could be great. 3. Unstable bridge 4. Sasuke 5/6 spider walk no platform before transition. 5. Metal spin- Would be brutal after the beging of the stage. 6. Wall Lift- Would love to see it be 1/2 contestants weight, full weight 1.5 contestants weight. 60 seconds. The Rolling Escargot was such a novel idea when it first debuted in 26 to me. The changes to it for 27 and 28, while making it less overly difficult, felt cumbersome and I didn't like the obstacle as much. It just moved too slow and I think the new foot holds were worse. Although it did show up for Sasuke Rising, I don't think the obstacle will be brought back in the same place, but really at all, again simply because it seemed to be too difficult early on in the first stage. It could be good later on in the stage, but it feels like Inui is just done with it. The Pole Maze I kind of was not fond of. It sometimes would waste so much time that competitors might as well had just failed it at a certain point. It doesn't really fit the current Sasuke brand like the Rolling Escargot to me either, so I don't think we'll see it returning either. One bar Dragon Glider is interesting. My first concern is is it doable from a Health and Safety perspective? After 35's Kong fail we haven't seen the bar go off the rails at all I think, and it's also attached to safety ropes unlike the Slider Drop. Having the bar jump from one track to another just sounds like Inui would never entertain it, but as far as old Sasuke would have been concerned it sounds like a good idea. The Warped Wall was never 17 feet. You may have heard that stat thrown around by the G4 dub of the show or something. The highest the wall's ever been was a few centimeters high than usual in Sasuke 31, but otherwise it's always been 14 feet from the walkable base to the top lip of the wall (since Sasuke 19 at least, as before then it was a bit shorter). Flying Chute is 100% never returning under the new H&S guidelines lol. Slider Jump into a rope that leads into a rope ladder climb is a good idea though! Lastly for Stage 1 I think a 30 foot rope climb would get very monotonous to watch as a viewer. The Tackle's purpose nowadays is to wear out leg strength before the Warped Wall. If I were to put it on Stage 2 I'd put it after the Salmon Ladder and Unstable Bridge, as those two obstacles give competitors a chance to rest their lower bodies. I agree, the Swap Salmon Ladder never got a fair shake. Unstable Bridge is a decent obstacle. If it's right after the SSL it could take out less serious competitors. Overall though I think this one's run its course on the show. I'm definitely down for the Sasuke 5/6 Spider Walk. By no platform do you mean going straight into it from the Unstable Bridge (and SSL)? If so that's a cool idea. I miss the Metal Spin as well. A good dynamic obstacle that is sorrily missed on today's Stage 2. I also really like your competitor weight factor idea on the Wall Lifting. Stage 2 time limit seems a tiny bit strick imo.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Apr 29, 2022 15:31:40 GMT -5
The 1997 VHS player xD
If you really think about it it's amazing this show has gone on for 40 iterations across 25 years. Kinda hard to believe
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Apr 12, 2022 16:14:49 GMT -5
Sad to hear it. My favorite competitor of all time. At least his last run was a good one all things considered. BREAK THROUGH!
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Apr 11, 2022 10:34:00 GMT -5
Ishikawa's fail was because he was about to execute the jump but didn't commit last minute, but then the swing was so violent that he just pulled the bar off backwards. Besides, in 39 the starting platform was so close to the first bar (so much so that loads of competitors had problems when their legs hit the platform when trying to swing) that he probably would've just fallen back on to the platform. Mind you, knowing Inui he'd probably just DQ him or something. I feel like he'd do decently well especially as he cleared the Swap Salmon Ladder twice which is probably a harder obstacle as you have to raise the bar upwards as well. I knew someone would mention the earliest competitors, but tbh if a lot of them trained to the standards required today then I feel like they wouldn't do too terribly (assuming they haven't completely let themselves go as they'd all be in their 40s-50s). The main reason competitors seemed to be so much weaker back then was because the standards they were aspiring towards were way lower and obstacle-specific training was less of a thing. I mean Shingo couldn't clear the Cliffhanger Kai in his 20s but has been able to clear the Crazy Cliffhanger jump in his gym (big difference between practice and competition I know but still) at the age of 47. I feel like Naoki Iketani would massively struggle on the current Stage 3 given that even 15 years ago he almost failed the Arm Rings and then immediately failed the Body Prop, and couldn't do the Salmon Ladder to save his life. Have a video of Shingo doing this? Instagram: Shingo4649 Scroll down to around June 2020
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