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Post by m4tt3r0x on Feb 4, 2022 20:14:46 GMT -5
Doubt it considering even Ryo whiffed it and on the nobori no less. Regardless he would have gotten chewed up by the latter half like Yuuji and Hioki.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Feb 4, 2022 20:03:45 GMT -5
Resurgence suggests they're competing on par with their previous record, so I'd hardly call 30 a resurgence. The best each could have done at that point would realistically be like Takeda - Salmon Kudari Nagano & Shingo - Stage 2 time out Yamada - Wall time out
But let's say the first three aforementioned All Stars absolutely trained their butts off for Stage 2's endurance and even prepped for the Rolling Log + Salmon combo beforehand. Could any of them gotten to Stage 3? It's possible, like pretty much anything. If you want something badly enough I think you can most of the time get it eventually. I don't believe any of them have or had any true intention of making it to Stage 3 in 38 though. They never showed any signs of practicing swimming and endurance training. At 45+ years old you don't just wing that the day of competition unless you wanna get smoked.
Look at Yuuji. He's almost Takeda's age in 38 and people still think it's possible he'll get back to Stage 4. Difference between him and the All Stars is his dedication. Quite frankly none of them really give a s*** lol. Nagano wings everything, Shingo just wants to get out of Stage 1 at this point, and Takeda refuses to train the Salmon Ladder plus stamina despite those being his weaknesses. Yamada's never beating the Wall no matter what he does though zoran. There's a difference between something being hard and impossible. The guy moves too slow.
The last realistic chance any of them ever had at getting back to Stage 3 was 30 imo. Well maybe 32. They mostly all got unlucky. After that the course just kept unexpectedly evolving and they couldn't keep up. Not like any of them were clearing the Crazy Cliffhanger anyway. So really the last "resurgence" runs were from 21 through 27.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Feb 4, 2022 13:57:44 GMT -5
What even was Asa's injury?
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 30, 2022 12:15:38 GMT -5
Design a theoretical renewal course using only real Sasuke obstacles that would make H&S and competitors alike s*** their pants. Course should be dangerous and scary, something that should never see the light of day, but also borderline realistic.
Stage 1: 120 Seconds 1. Rope Glider 2. Hedgehog (same height as 29-30's version) 3. Sandan Rolling Maruta 4. Dragon Glider (35's version) 5. Half-Pipe Attack (27's version) 6. Great Wall 7. Flying Chute (19's version) 8. Tarzan Rope 9. Lumberjack Climb
Stage 2: 100 Seconds 1. Slider Drop 2. Double Salmon Ladder + 3. Unstable Bridge 4. Balance Tank (original version) 5. Backstream (29's version pre-nerf) 6. Wall Lifting (Sasuke 20 version)
Stage 3 1. Roulette Cylinder (Sasuke 26 version) + 2. Sidewinder Kai (Sasuke 39 version) 3. Swing Edge 4. Cliffhanger Dimension 5. Vertical Limit Kai + 6. Spider Flip 7. Pipe Slider (Sasuke 17 version)
Final Stage: Whatever 39's time limit would have been 1. Sasuke 39's inverted speed climb wall 2. Salmon Ladder Jugo Dan 3. Rope Climb somehow offset from the previous two obstacles so there's a drop if you time out (this one would probably be difficult to pull off)
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 28, 2022 8:58:02 GMT -5
Very interesting point. Usually to get an undeserved number in the mid to high 90s you have to be a celebrity or athlete. I don't think they feel any particular pressure from their number as it's obvious they're just being treated to it because of their status. No one was feeling let down when Mr. Handball, Paul Anthony Terek, or Sato Hiromichi didn't showcase near perfect Sasuke expertise on at least one occasion each where they had numbers in the very high 90s.
When it comes to the Sasuke-born names like Asa Kazuma or Hitoshi Kanno for example, their high numbers were almost purely based on their previous track records on the show itself. Now the question becomes at what point, if any, does a number become high enough that it demands a certain burden placed on the possessor?
Obviously 99 and 100 are definitely gonna come with expectation for anyone, even Yusuke, if you're not a talent/celeb/athlete. I think the pressure is only high if the number itself doesn't match the confidence of the possessor. If modern day Shunsuke Nagasaki was given 98 he'd surely feel out of place as he hasn't been to Stage 2 since 35 and Stage 3 since 33. I think him being slotted in the 70s actually lessens the burden of expectation for him.
When Yuuji was in his slumps and being given 100 or numbers high in the 90s you could tell that his placement just made things worse. Now that he's out of his rut he doesn't seem phased by being given 99 in the slightest. If you're a competitor with an amazingly consistent track record like young Takeda, you shouldn't feel that bad falling on the first stage with #98 every once in a while.
Someone like Tada is curious though. He's made Stage 3+ three tournaments in a row. He is one of the best in the field. Does being put at say 91 versus 98 lessen the pressure for him? I'd actually argue it does. It's basically the show subtly telling the viewer that this guy isn't the whole show, he's not like 97-100. So Tada doesn't have to feel responsible for dampening the honor of such a high number if he flubs. That's how I see it.
Is Tada still gonna feel like he failed someone if he doesn't do well because of his record regardless of number like tns said? As far as that has to do with the show itself I think that would just depend on how much spotlight that particular competitor is given to begin with--and well, Tada is literally fastforwarded even when he's last man standing LOL. I don't think someone like him has to worry about that. Tomo right now is the exact opposite of that though, and I imagine that he feels that pressure to succeed, even if he was given a lower number, as he's always shown in full with fluff pieces. I think to even a lesser extent someone like Matsuda who is always shown now is expected to do well on Stage 1, maybe not clear, because of the attention and role he has to do with the show nowadays.
So ironically, being given a number like 40 or 60 consistently like Matsuda and Hioki get along with their guaranteed spotlight comes with its own pressure. I still think it's not as bad as someone like Tomo who has the spotlight AND the number 98/99 in his back pocket.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 28, 2022 8:27:29 GMT -5
They both seem like really nice teachers honestly. Keitaro is very polite and astute in his manner. I really like his demeanor. Suzuki had his students cheering for him like mad so obviously he was well liked. I'd bet Suzuki is the more fun teacher and Keitaro is the young, helpful, and polite type.
That said I think Keitaro looks more like the Sasuke Sensei.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 27, 2022 17:59:13 GMT -5
To be fair I'm sure your legs are shot after doing the course plus tackle, as the Wall is challenging enough as it is to clear, but for me it was just his dismissive attitude before the runup like "This is nothing." Actually now that I think about it he did that after he failed his first attempt at it iirc lol. I like Tomo a lot but that was kinda saddening.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 27, 2022 17:16:56 GMT -5
Of recent memory Tomo in 37 where he was just walking on the Warped Wall run up and waving down some onlookers before attempting the runup.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 27, 2022 15:40:30 GMT -5
Good point. It's gonna be hard to find someone who can match Yusuke's ability on Stage 3. Not only is he strong as hell but his precision on the cliffhanger jumps is unparalleled.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 27, 2022 14:34:19 GMT -5
Only way I see him waning in interest is if he starts a family and doesn't have the same time he used to. He's such an upper body power house that he'll probably never struggle much on Stage 3 since age is not the main factor. We see someone like Yuuji is just as capable as ever upper body-wise well into his 40s. Like Nagano said the legs are the first to go, but if Yuuji can still clear Stages 1 and 2 in his early 40s then surely Yusuke can. His overall power level of course will not be the same at 45 as it was at 30, so I'll bet he'll decline in respect to Kanzenseiha potential relative to his first two wins. That said I can still see him making it to Stage 4 at 45 years old, but at that point he may be outclassed by younger talent who will raise the difficulty curve. Also worth mentioning since Sasuke 29 he's only failed Stage 1 when the Warped Walls were wet, and the last time he failed Stage 2 he was like 22.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 25, 2022 21:43:32 GMT -5
Hopefully Shingo gets special treatment next time. The only good thing about the static courses is that guys like him have been getting redos on highly trainable courses (thanks Matsuda) since after Sasuke 37 at least. Granted the rain may have thrown him off mentally in 39.
I really really hope some how Takeda doesn't retire, but I doubt he'll be back for the anniversary tournament. We have no confirmation though. Nagano probably will as he said and I bet my bottom dollar Yamada will be back again.
Stage 1 is scary to be fair despite its length. Fishbone and Dragon Glider are no gimmes, and to an extent neither is the Rolling Hill. The walls after the tackle are no joke either. It's a good stage, but I think they should just swap out the small first wall for something else to spice things up. It's pretty boring to watch that one. I'm fine with the Quad Steps and Silk Slider being gimmes.
Stage 2 also just needs one new obstacle to be interesting again. Just upgrade the Spider Walk already--Snowman completely cheesed the Spider Drop last tournament too. Tricky moving panels would be more than enough considering how much Inui likes motors. If making the obstacle motorized is unfeasible or lends itself to being unfair across the competitor pool then just put tricky gaps in it or something.
I'm not asking for a lot here. Replace the first Warped Wall and upgrade the Spider Walk. Stages 3 and 4 are fine.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 21, 2022 16:33:49 GMT -5
I like this thread.
I think we can all agree Shingo is probably not winning. When he was in his 20s to be fair he wasn't as much of a goofy guy. Yamada's the biggest but isn't very agile and probably has the worst cardio. Plus if it's a free for all, I can see him having the biggest target on his back of the six. That being said I can see him landing some good punches on Shingo, Takeda, and Bunpei. Bunpei I don't think would be that good. He'd have the longest reach but I don't see him having too much power or the animal in him to really fight. Takeda would probably be pretty good. He's pretty much above average in everything we've seen him try, even in brand new arenas like Monster Box. I can see him being an all rounder in terms of power, speed, and stamina. Nagano's compact, nimble, and just athletically gifted, so he'd probably be about the same as Takeda, but probably better. I still don't see him being that great though.
Akiyama especially when he was in his 20s just looked like somebody that would know how to fight tactfully and almost ruthlessly lol. I would put money on him even with his eye condition.
Rank Order I'd go Akiyama > Nagano > Takeda > Yamada > Shingo > Bunpei
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 6, 2022 4:11:16 GMT -5
I don't think it's obvious enough his foot hit the water as oppose to the splash being caused by the mat. It probably did touch slightly, but I don't think they can DQ him unless the camera clearly demonstrates it.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 1, 2022 11:13:37 GMT -5
Stage 2 is such a bore. Everything else is bearable.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 30, 2021 10:04:15 GMT -5
Not sure if mentioned but first ever tournament an All Star did not reach a trampoline obstacle that was present. What about Sasuke 36? Takeda technically didn’t attempt the Dragon Glider given that he bowed out beforehand, and Shingo failed the Wing Slider. Eh, he didn't fail the Fishbone. I count it as reaching the Dragon Glider and that's what Sasukepedia says.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 30, 2021 7:05:07 GMT -5
Not sure if mentioned but first ever tournament an All Star did not reach a trampoline obstacle that was present.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 29, 2021 18:36:05 GMT -5
yeah that's pretty harsh
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 29, 2021 14:02:41 GMT -5
Was he ever even retiring?
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 29, 2021 12:45:49 GMT -5
Happens a lot. The Dragon Glider and the Reverse Conveyor as far as I can tell are easier now too
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Dec 29, 2021 12:30:58 GMT -5
They're definitely not being forced to complete nor failing on purpose lol. They're former finalists in their 30s just in a rut. They have good reason to still compete
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