My worry for Sasuke 40

[dakohosu]

Just thought I'd open a discussion about this as this has been bugging me for the last 5 months now.

So obviously it rained in Sasuke 39 which resulted in guys like Yuuji and Yusuke failing Stage 1, specifically on the Double Warped Wall. What annoyed me about this is that the results were worse than they could've and should've been, across the entire board. Now in a renewal that usually isn't a bad thing, but obviously what caused those results wasn't the renewal itself, rather it was the external circumstances of weather. The biggest issue I have with this is that production will likely look at all the Double Warped Wall fails and just think, "this worked, so let's just do more of this" and leave the course exactly the same as it was before. Had there not been rain, I feel like we would've easily got 20+ clears on Stage 1, and potentially even break the record for Stage 2 clears as well. Results like that would've definitely forced production into making the course harder for 40 to prevent an underwhelmingly early Kanzen, but as it stands they probably think all their hard work on Stage 1 paid off and so they won't do anything about it.

For the record, I'm fully aware that despite the rain we got the same number of clears in 39 as we did in 38, and more Stage 2 clears, but at this point I just have no faith that production will reciprocate anymore. I just wanted there to have been a shockingly high number of Stage 1 and 2 clears so that they finally get off their a** and do something about the renewal. As it stands, I wouldn't be surprised if they make no changes to Stage 1 and keep the log nerfed for Stage 2. Stages 3 and 4 are fine as is.

[brz0ny]

May 10, 2022 11:57:37 GMT -5 dakohosu said:

Just thought I'd open a discussion about this as this has been bugging me for the last 5 months now.

So obviously it rained in Sasuke 39 which resulted in guys like Yuuji and Yusuke failing Stage 1, specifically on the Double Warped Wall. What annoyed me about this is that the results were worse than they could've and should've been, across the entire board. Now in a renewal that usually isn't a bad thing, but obviously what caused those results wasn't the renewal itself, rather it was the external circumstances of weather. The biggest issue I have with this is that production will likely look at all the Double Warped Wall fails and just think, "this worked, so let's just do more of this" and leave the course exactly the same as it was before. Had there not been rain, I feel like we would've easily got 20+ clears on Stage 1, and potentially even break the record for Stage 2 clears as well. Results like that would've definitely forced production into making the course harder for 40 to prevent an underwhelmingly early Kanzen, but as it stands they probably think all their hard work on Stage 1 paid off and so they won't do anything about it.

For the record, I'm fully aware that despite the rain we got the same number of clears in 39 as we did in 38, and more Stage 2 clears, but at this point I just have no faith that production will reciprocate anymore. I just wanted there to have been a shockingly high number of Stage 1 and 2 clears so that they finally get off their a** and do something about the renewal. As it stands, I wouldn't be surprised if they make no changes to Stage 1 and keep the log nerfed for Stage 2. Stages 3 and 4 are fine as is.

Its fine just have to get used to Morimoto winning every competition when there is no rain from now on

[m4tt3r0x]

Never really thought of this, but it makes sense. We got some of the best first stage renewals in post-M9 Sasuke only after tournaments where the stage was proven too easy (Sasuke 30 and 34 specifically, although there was a good renewal for Sasuke 32's Stage 1 as well after Yusuke's Kanzen).

Good observation on 39 being one of these relatively easier Stage 1's barring the rain's effect on competition day. I will say that I don't think production is as oblivious as you might be fearing, BUT they might recognize there will be heaps of clears in 40 like there should have been in 39 and STILL allow it to happen so they can wait until 41 to revamp anything, and just go, "well the course wasn't dominated technically until Sasuke 40 lol."

So if 40's Stages 1 and 2 are left the same as in 39, I think it will be intentional rather than production just being clueless as to why 39's Stage 1 ended the way it did. I can see this actually happening unfortunately...

MAYBE they'll throw us a bone and just give us something in between no change and the type of course modification that 35 brought us with the Dragon Glider and the cutting of Stage 1's end and time limit. Meaning if they can just give us something like one major obstacle change like the Dragon Glider was and maybe a minor tweak on another one like the Fishbone Kai was, that can be a happy compromise.

[furatachi]

May 10, 2022 11:57:37 GMT -5 dakohosu said:

Just thought I'd open a discussion about this as this has been bugging me for the last 5 months now.

So obviously it rained in Sasuke 39 which resulted in guys like Yuuji and Yusuke failing Stage 1, specifically on the Double Warped Wall. What annoyed me about this is that the results were worse than they could've and should've been, across the entire board. Now in a renewal that usually isn't a bad thing, but obviously what caused those results wasn't the renewal itself, rather it was the external circumstances of weather. The biggest issue I have with this is that production will likely look at all the Double Warped Wall fails and just think, "this worked, so let's just do more of this" and leave the course exactly the same as it was before. Had there not been rain, I feel like we would've easily got 20+ clears on Stage 1, and potentially even break the record for Stage 2 clears as well. Results like that would've definitely forced production into making the course harder for 40 to prevent an underwhelmingly early Kanzen, but as it stands they probably think all their hard work on Stage 1 paid off and so they won't do anything about it.

For the record, I'm fully aware that despite the rain we got the same number of clears in 39 as we did in 38, and more Stage 2 clears, but at this point I just have no faith that production will reciprocate anymore. I just wanted there to have been a shockingly high number of Stage 1 and 2 clears so that they finally get off their a** and do something about the renewal. As it stands, I wouldn't be surprised if they make no changes to Stage 1 and keep the log nerfed for Stage 2. Stages 3 and 4 are fine as is.

IIRC, SASUKE 39 had the most First Stage Clears after an Total Victory(14) as well as the most Second Stage Clears after an Total Victory(9).

But quite frankly, what Midoriyama Studios did for SASUKE 39 was just downright idiotic. Hardly any changes to the course whatsoever. All we got was just the Swing Edge, the Double Warped Wall, and a downgraded Rolling Log.

As you said it, maybe SASUKE 4's record for most Third Stage Attempts could have been broken had some of the best who timed out cleared.

That's my main concern for SASUKE 40. 

[dakohosu]

Well that just kinda sucks.

I mean huge respect for Yusuke for how far ahead of the crowd he is, but I can definitely see it getting pretty monotonous and exhausting seeing him constantly win time after time again. What’s even worse is how the renewal, if anything, further plays to his advantages. More grip based obstacles in Stage 3, and a rock wall in Stage 4, and Yusuke is an esteemed rock climber.

I mean I don’t want a Sasuke 19 scenario, where the producers tried everything they could to take Nagano (another competitor who had no obvious weaknesses) down but in doing so eliminated basically the entire rest of the field, but surely there’s something they could do to target Yusuke, just like they did with Ryo in 31.

The issue is that even an obstacle that does target his potential weaknesses, like his height or raw strength, he’ll just aggressively train for it and clear it next time out. My only option is a new balance obstacle, as that’s not something that’s been seen in Stage 1 for a while. I mean he did almost fail the Fish Bone in 33 when it was new.

Back to the matter at hand; it’s not so much about just Yusuke winning (though I’d prefer he didn’t win again so soon) more that I don’t want Stages 1 and 2 to be an absolute joke difficulty wise, as a function of producers getting a false sense of achievement from the results in 39. The course is probably easier now than it was in Sasuke 31, and that was two renewals ago, and both Stages 1 and 2 are probably easier than Shin-Sasuke which was 10-15 years ago….

When I saw that 39 had basically changed nothing in the first half of the course, my saving grace was that they’ll get s*** tonnes of clears which would force Inui to spruce the course up for 40, alas the rain f***ed all that up.

[brz0ny]

May 10, 2022 14:41:49 GMT -5 dakohosu said:

Well that just kinda sucks.

I mean huge respect for Yusuke for how far ahead of the crowd he is, but I can definitely see it getting pretty monotonous and exhausting seeing him constantly win time after time again. What’s even worse is how the renewal, if anything, further plays to his advantages. More grip based obstacles in Stage 3, and a rock wall in Stage 4, and Yusuke is an esteemed rock climber.

I mean I don’t want a Sasuke 19 scenario, where the producers tried everything they could to take Nagano (another competitor who had no obvious weaknesses) down but in doing so eliminated basically the entire rest of the field, but surely there’s something they could do to target Yusuke, just like they did with Ryo in 31.

The issue is that even an obstacle that does target his potential weaknesses, like his height or raw strength, he’ll just aggressively train for it and clear it next time out. My only option is a new balance obstacle, as that’s not something that’s been seen in Stage 1 for a while. I mean he did almost fail the Fish Bone in 33 when it was new.

Back to the matter at hand; it’s not so much about just Yusuke winning (though I’d prefer he didn’t win again so soon) more that I don’t want Stages 1 and 2 to be an absolute joke difficulty wise, as a function of producers getting a false sense of achievement from the results in 39. The course is probably easier now than it was in Sasuke 31, and that was two renewals ago, and both Stages 1 and 2 are probably easier than Shin-Sasuke which was 10-15 years ago….

When I saw that 39 had basically changed nothing in the first half of the course, my saving grace was that they’ll get s*** tonnes of clears which would force Inui to spruce the course up for 40, alas the rain f***ed all that up.

I mean when you have someone who didnt reach Stage 3 once in last 10 years when it didnt rain, and also never failed CH and VL (when it was possible to be beaten), there isnt much you can do for him, however i do feel like Flying Chute change in 19 which knocked out Nagano wouldve caught him off guard aswell, so probably they would need to add something clever like that.

[dakohosu]

Flying Chute would be way too dangerous with today's H&S malarky.

Yeah, I just feel as though some rogue new obstacle could take Yusuke out. Yusuke's been quite lucky in that he's very rarely had to attempt entirely new obstacles due to how stale the course has been. The Rolling Log and Cliffhanger Dimension he already knew about before he attempted them so he trained beforehand, and the Fish Bone he almost failed. Apart from that since his first Kanzen there's basically been nothing new, except for the Sasuke 32 obstacles which he also knew prior about given that he didn't compete in that tournament.

I feel as though adding something highly technical in Stage 1, maybe to replace the Silk Slider which is almost unfailable at this point, could be the best bet. It's pretty much one of the only options if one wanted to avoid a complete massacre like in Sasuke 19.

[brz0ny]

May 11, 2022 5:35:57 GMT -5 dakohosu said:

Flying Chute would be way too dangerous with today's H&S malarky.

Yeah, I just feel as though some rogue new obstacle could take Yusuke out. Yusuke's been quite lucky in that he's very rarely had to attempt entirely new obstacles due to how stale the course has been. The Rolling Log and Cliffhanger Dimension he already knew about before he attempted them so he trained beforehand, and the Fish Bone he almost failed. Apart from that since his first Kanzen there's basically been nothing new, except for the Sasuke 32 obstacles which he also knew prior about given that he didn't compete in that tournament.

I feel as though adding something highly technical in Stage 1, maybe to replace the Silk Slider which is almost unfailable at this point, could be the best bet. It's pretty much one of the only options if one wanted to avoid a complete massacre like in Sasuke 19.

I feel like he could fail Metal Spin again if it was added

[dakohosu]

Yeah agreed, though it’ll never happen because of the fricking Backstream…..