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Post by furatachi on Jun 4, 2022 12:51:10 GMT -5
Considering that there have been posts about two un-attempted obstacles(Skywalk and the Sending Climber), I figured why not.
Would the Swing Circle be tough if someone was able to clear the Ultimate Cliff Hanger in either SASUKE 25 or SASUKE 26?
From the looks of it, it's three circles that are not supported and competitors have to traverse through two more in order to clear.
ANW would use this obstacle for their Southwest Qualifier for AWN 4, so it at least, unlike with the Skywalk and the Sending Climber, it did have attempts, just not in SASUKE.
NOTE: I'm not counting the Jumping Ring from SASUKE 27, as it added supports to the rings.
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Post by brz0ny on Jun 4, 2022 15:03:26 GMT -5
Considering that there have been posts about two un-attempted obstacles(Skywalk and the Sending Climber), I figured why not. Would the Swing Circle be tough if someone was able to clear the Ultimate Cliff Hanger in either SASUKE 25 or SASUKE 26? From the looks of it, it's three circles that are not supported and competitors have to traverse through two more in order to clear. ANW would use this obstacle for their Southwest Qualifier for AWN 4, so it at least, unlike with the Skywalk and the Sending Climber, it did have attempts, just not in SASUKE. NOTE: I'm not counting the Jumping Ring from SASUKE 27, as it added supports to the rings. What was the difference between Swing Circle and Jumping Rings apart from number of rings? |
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Post by furatachi on Jun 4, 2022 15:36:53 GMT -5
Considering that there have been posts about two un-attempted obstacles(Skywalk and the Sending Climber), I figured why not. Would the Swing Circle be tough if someone was able to clear the Ultimate Cliff Hanger in either SASUKE 25 or SASUKE 26? From the looks of it, it's three circles that are not supported and competitors have to traverse through two more in order to clear. ANW would use this obstacle for their Southwest Qualifier for AWN 4, so it at least, unlike with the Skywalk and the Sending Climber, it did have attempts, just not in SASUKE. NOTE: I'm not counting the Jumping Ring from SASUKE 27, as it added supports to the rings. What was the difference between Swing Circle and Jumping Rings apart from number of rings? The Jumping Ring's rings were supported, so that it didn't move freely, unlike with the Swing Circle, where the rings moved freely. |
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Post by ahzoo on Jun 4, 2022 16:56:44 GMT -5
IMO, for all of the hype surrounding 25-26's Third Stage, the Swing Circle-Bungee Rope Climb combo would certainly have been the weak link; as ANW and the Jumping Rings both proved, while the unsupported rings might make for some spectacle as we watch them go attempted, in truth, this wouldn't end up being little more than a few laches onto a semi-buffed version of the Rope Junction that any competitor who has it in then to conquer the Ultimate Cliffhanger should have it in them to make short work of with minimal effort, so long as the UCH hadn't completely exhausted them.
As such, I can picture the combo as a whole having a similar knock-out rate to the Jumping Bars of the Shin era, though sadly, this combo does not to a Spider Flip lead. Granted, in 25, the Flying Bar would be just as good.
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Post by brz0ny on Jun 4, 2022 17:36:36 GMT -5
What was the difference between Swing Circle and Jumping Rings apart from number of rings? The Jumping Ring's rings were supported, so that it didn't move freely, unlike with the Swing Circle, where the rings moved freely. Oh, I suppose its an upgrade as Jumping Rings are harder that way if Im correct? |
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Post by ahzoo on Jun 4, 2022 17:50:20 GMT -5
It's a pretty lateral move; with the stoppers holding them in place, the rings won't be able to swing with nor build up as much momentum and will need to swing slightly further in order to make up for the slightly larger gap, but without, their swinging will be a lot less predictable and would take more time getting used to as well as making it ever so slightly harder to line up the right swing.
In any case, both effects would more-or-less cancel each other out IMO, and you'd be hard pressed to definitively say one is any significantly harder than the other.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 4, 2022 17:58:14 GMT -5
I think the obstacle was harder than it looked and was one of the big casualties seen in 25-27's First Stage (Roulette Cylinder, Doorknob Grasper, Floating Boards, and the original Flying Bar were all ingenious cut obstacles too). The fact the rings slid while you swung meant you had to have a lot more to your swing than the Jumping Bars required. No show to this day has repeated this concept matching its original incarnation that I have seen.
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Post by brz0ny on Jun 5, 2022 3:20:40 GMT -5
It's a pretty lateral move; with the stoppers holding them in place, the rings won't be able to swing with nor build up as much momentum and will need to swing slightly further in order to make up for the slightly larger gap, but without, their swinging will be a lot less predictable and would take more time getting used to as well as making it ever so slightly harder to line up the right swing. In any case, both effects would more-or-less cancel each other out IMO, and you'd be hard pressed to definitively say one is any significantly harder than the other. Well i was thinking because you are able to jump farther with Gliding Ring than Pipe Slider then its easier when rings are moving than if they are not. |
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Post by furatachi on Jun 5, 2022 6:57:18 GMT -5
I think the obstacle was harder than it looked and was one of the big casualties seen in 25-27's First Stage (Roulette Cylinder, Doorknob Grasper, Floating Boards, and the original Flying Bar were all ingenious cut obstacles too). The fact the rings slid while you swung meant you had to have a lot more to your swing than the Jumping Bars required. No show to this day has repeated this concept matching its original incarnation that I have seen. If I'm honest, I was really surprised when I saw an test demo of the Third Stage after Yoshiyuki Okuyama's failure on the Ultimate Cliff Hanger just how easy it was to beat. As Ahzoo mentioned, without the stopper, it allowed for a smaller margin of error when you attempted the obstacle. With the stopper, it cuts down on the momentum and adds the difficulty. As you stated, it really was a big casualty that the Swing Circle wasn't attempted in its original form(Although as I stated, it was used for the Southwest Qualifier in ANW 4), unlike with the Sending Climber, which was outright impossible, unless you had an high amount of strength with your hands. |
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