jpxiii
Degawa Tetsurō
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Post by jpxiii on Jan 13, 2022 18:57:32 GMT -5
SASUKE 40 will be a double anniversary tournament, as it will be the 40th tournament and it will (hopefully) take place at 2022, which is 25 years since SASUKE started.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 14, 2022 11:45:46 GMT -5
What better way to celebrate two milestones in the show's history than with a completely unchanged and identical Stage 1 and 2?
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jpxiii
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Post by jpxiii on Jan 14, 2022 13:31:54 GMT -5
What better way to celebrate two milestones in the show's history than with a completely unchanged and identical Stage 1 and 2? Stage 1 for me is actually fine as it is. Maybe change the quad steps into quintuple steps. Stage 2 really needs an overhaul. Pool needs to go or change the conveyor belt to metal spin. Change the first salmon ladder to double salmon ladder then make the kudari part longer. Add a trampoline before the spider walk or have the plexiglass move up and down since Inui loves his motorized obstacles. And he should pick a better date to film the event |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 14, 2022 14:10:04 GMT -5
What better way to celebrate two milestones in the show's history than with a completely unchanged and identical Stage 1 and 2? Stage 1 for me is actually fine as it is. Maybe change the quad steps into quintuple steps. Stage 2 really needs an overhaul. Pool needs to go or change the conveyor belt to metal spin. Change the first salmon ladder to double salmon ladder then make the kudari part longer. Add a trampoline before the spider walk or have the plexiglass move up and down since Inui loves his motorized obstacles. And he should pick a better date to film the event Each to their own but I disagree. Stage 1 is in dire need of an overhaul. The Rolling Hill is painful to watch at this point and the Silk Slider is just way too easy. The only hard obstacle is the Dragon Glider which has basically become the Cliffhanger equivalent of Stage 1 in that it’s the only do or die moment for most competitors. I miss the days of Shin-Sasuke where you knew a competitor, no matter how experienced, could go out at any point in the course. The obstacles were far more innovative and less stale as well. The Double Warped Wall being the only major change is the final nail in the coffin for me, given that it’s probably the laziest/worst obstacle modification I’ve ever seen and the first wall is a piece of cake anyway so it’s no harder than the normal one. They also added 10 seconds to the time limit compared to last time which was far too lenient generally, let alone for a renewal. I agree Stage 2 also kind of sucks, but no one complained in Sasuke 38 despite the only change being the Rolling Log working this time. I would’ve been fine had they left it the same for 39, but for some reason they decided to make the log track shorter thus both making the time limit more lenient and the Salmon Ladder easier due to competitors being less dizzy. They had figured something out for Stage 2 for the first time in 8 years, and then reversed it completely..... I don’t have an issue with the back half of the course being ‘unfailable’ given that it can still be exciting if competitors are generally low on time and have to scramble to the finish, but when half of them are clearing with 10+ seconds left once they get past the Spider Walk one may as well just switch off. Also on your comment r/e a better date it’s not that simple. These things are planned months in advance, well before any weather forecast for the given day is provided. That said, 39 was unforgivable in that he could’ve easily just delayed the last few runs to the next day like they did in 32; I mean they delayed the entire 100 runs one day in 37 so there’s clearly wiggle room. Also there didn’t appear to be any rain on day 2 otherwise the Rolling Log wouldn’t have worked, so it just made no sense to force competitors to run in the rain. |
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azn
Ishikawa Terukazu
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Post by azn on Jan 14, 2022 17:35:38 GMT -5
So pretty much any year ending in 2 leads to a McDouble of special occasions then?
2002 - SK9 and SK10 marked 5 years and 10 tournaments for the latter
2012 - SK28, marked 15 years, plus the return of the show
2022 - SK40 and hopefully - though I doubt it - a SK41 but either or, will mark 25 years and in the case of the former, 40 tournaments
Genuinely surprised they've lasted this long, but good on them. I think one of the more recent videos on their channel was a video of competitors at a large SASUKE related event where the spectators could attempt a Reiwa era Warped Wall and the UCL, with a notable attempt being from Boruneesan aka Rock Wall Mascot...thing. If anything it shows that people in Japan still care about SASUKE, I mean 32.234 million people did watch SK39 so I can only assume that's progress, hopefully with the revival of G4, maybe they can attract even more audiences.
Which makes me wonder, given our reaction to SK39 being mixed to negative to never watching this sh*t again, I wonder if the reactions from Japanese viewers are similar to ours?
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 15, 2022 4:30:26 GMT -5
So pretty much any year ending in 2 leads to a McDouble of special occasions then? 2002 - SK9 and SK10 marked 5 years and 10 tournaments for the latter 2012 - SK28, marked 15 years, plus the return of the show 2022 - SK40 and hopefully - though I doubt it - a SK41 but either or, will mark 25 years and in the case of the former, 40 tournaments Genuinely surprised they've lasted this long, but good on them. I think one of the more recent videos on their channel was a video of competitors at a large SASUKE related event where the spectators could attempt a Reiwa era Warped Wall and the UCL, with a notable attempt being from Boruneesan aka Rock Wall Mascot...thing. If anything it shows that people in Japan still care about SASUKE, I mean 32.234 million people did watch SK39 so I can only assume that's progress, hopefully with the revival of G4, maybe they can attract even more audiences. Which makes me wonder, given our reaction to SK39 being mixed to negative to never watching this sh*t again, I wonder if the reactions from Japanese viewers are similar to ours? Yeah same here. Given that Sasuke 27 was meant to be the last tournament and they also arguably bottled the revival in the form of RISING (from both a ratings and fan opinion perspective; I mean 28 is largely regarded as one of the worst tournaments in existence lol) it's great that they've managed to pull themselves out of what seemed to be a sinking ship. I was honestly shocked when I heard that a quarter of the country had watched 39 but it gives me hope that Sasuke seems to be doing a lot better than expected (the supposed budget issues always suggested otherwise to me). As much as the recent tournaments have become annoyingly saturated with celebrities, this has clearly accounted for a large proportion of the marketing and viewership that made 39 so successful, so I've accepted that this is a pre-requisite for any tournament being 'successful' and if it means the show doesn't get cancelled then absolutely bring on as many famous faces as you want Inui. That said, the ratings apparently increased from 7.3% in the first hour where the vast majority of 'joke' celebrities were shown to 10.0% from the second hour onwards, but this could've easily been due to the majority of the country coming back from work late or an amalgamation of reasons. In terms of the viewers' opinions on the show, if anything the whole rain fiasco would've made the tournament more exciting to watch for the majority of viewers. Remember that like 95% of those who watched the show aren't hardcore fans like us and don't have attachments to the competitors who were wronged due to the rain. They probably saw it as some light evening entertainment so if anything the more shocking and funny fails, the better, regardless of who they were or the reason behind it. I'm sure a lot of people found Yamada and Darvish's fail entertaining as hell for example, whereas everyone on this forum was exploding in anger about how unfair it was. We all hate on Inui for bad organisation and downright incompetence at times, but he's fundamentally a producer who's ultimate intent is to expand Sasuke's name throughout Japan so a part of me believes that he actually knows what he's doing, even if it doesn't appear that way at times. |
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Post by SasukeDoctor on Jan 17, 2022 21:24:34 GMT -5
So pretty much any year ending in 2 leads to a McDouble of special occasions then? 2002 - SK9 and SK10 marked 5 years and 10 tournaments for the latter 2012 - SK28, marked 15 years, plus the return of the show 2022 - SK40 and hopefully - though I doubt it - a SK41 but either or, will mark 25 years and in the case of the former, 40 tournaments Genuinely surprised they've lasted this long, but good on them. I think one of the more recent videos on their channel was a video of competitors at a large SASUKE related event where the spectators could attempt a Reiwa era Warped Wall and the UCL, with a notable attempt being from Boruneesan aka Rock Wall Mascot...thing. If anything it shows that people in Japan still care about SASUKE, I mean 32.234 million people did watch SK39 so I can only assume that's progress, hopefully with the revival of G4, maybe they can attract even more audiences. Which makes me wonder, given our reaction to SK39 being mixed to negative to never watching this sh*t again, I wonder if the reactions from Japanese viewers are similar to ours? Wait, SASUKE 28 was TEN YEARS AGO?  Damn, I’m getting old… |
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Post by subtleagent on Jan 17, 2022 23:02:27 GMT -5
Meaning the Backstream is now old enough to be considered a staple... unfortunately.
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azn
Ishikawa Terukazu
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Post by azn on Jan 18, 2022 1:03:37 GMT -5
If it makes a return in SK 40, that would mean 13 competitions, and 10 years of "valuable" service.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 18, 2022 4:37:38 GMT -5
It’s never going to go away. It’s survived 2 renewals now and also remember that Inui has mentioned that he’d make the entirety of Stage 2 underwater if he could. Meaning that if for whatever reason he gets a higher budget it’s only going to be made worse.
If he absolutely HAS to have an underwater obstacle, just do something like the Water Walls. It’s far more exciting to watch than competitors swimming largely at their own pace (due to the overly lenient time limit) and I feel could take out a lot of unassuming veterans. Leave that obstacle until last and make the rest of the course more failable.
Also, hot take but I’m more fed up of the Salmon Ladder Nobori/Kudari than I am of the Backstream. It’s just far too easy to be the ‘hardest’ obstacle of Stage 2, and it’s easier than the Double and Swap variants from several years ago. Also, with the recently nerfed Rolling Log it makes even less of a case for this obstacle to remain unchanged, and it’s just boring to watch now.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 18, 2022 14:40:35 GMT -5
Wait, SASUKE 28 was TEN YEARS AGO? Damn, I’m getting old… You're not lying. I always forget that 28 was in 2012. Every other tournament I can fathom, but that one not so much. It's probably due to 28-onwards being a shell of what previous eras were, as well as the tournaments blending together. |
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Post by subtleagent on Jan 19, 2022 0:16:23 GMT -5
28 was also at the very end of 2012 (December 27th) and it's competitive field was pathetic. The only thing that makes it stand out is that it was the first post M9 bankruptcy tournament.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 19, 2022 4:50:42 GMT -5
28 was also at the very end of 2012 (December 27th) and it's competitive field was pathetic. The only thing that makes it stand out is that it was the first post M9 bankruptcy tournament. I watched 28 live and I remember my main takeaway from it was that it just seemed to be designed by people who don’t understand the appeal of past Sasuke seasons, which I know isn’t the case as Inui was the director up to S14 but you could tell me that the new producer was some random dude who had no experience with obstacle course entertainment shows and I’d believe you. They ditched what was both a visually appealing and nail-bitingly exciting course, to what seemed to be a bland and ill-thought out one with the Jump Hang Kai and Ni Ren SK. The only moderately exciting obstacles were the Swap SL and the CCH, the former of which didn’t work properly and the latter becoming the start of the Cliffhanger dominating the entirety of the stage which made it so predictable. But yeah, the competitive field was what really made me feel as though the producers had no recollection of past tournaments. Not inviting certain competitors because they were ‘too old’ in order to make the idea to retire the All-Stars more viable, despite the fact that Nagano made Stage 3 only one tournament prior. There weren’t even that many celebrities on this course either, just complete randos who I have no idea how they made it on the show, but there were far too many of them. Then the whole ‘Shin-Sedai’ thing just felt so much more forced and cheesy this time round, almost like how the Morimoto Sedai is now. Also the box lady and dinner thing was so cringe..... you could just see no one wanted to be there lol |
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jan 21, 2022 2:41:58 GMT -5
Don't expect too much extravagant stuff for SASUKE 40 knowing their budget or lack there of... At least keep the number thing. That's enough for me.
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Post by subtleagent on Jan 24, 2022 18:20:32 GMT -5
I figure maybe they'll lower the time limit in Stage 1, but otherwise I don't see much changing.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 25, 2022 6:46:09 GMT -5
I figure maybe they'll lower the time limit in Stage 1, but otherwise I don't see much changing. Honestly I doubt it. They've increased the time limit in every tournament since 36. The thing that annoys me the most is how I know that the producers will look at the results of 39 and will think that the renewal worked on Stage 1, without accounting for the fact that we probably would've got 20+ clears without the rain. Had there been no rain, the results across Stages 1 and 2 would've been much stronger which would've prompted them to actually make some further changes for Sasuke 40 (like after Sasuke 34 which had 25 clears they knew they had to make the course bite back). But as it stands I just feel as though they'll keep the course exactly the same; Stage 3 I'm perfectly fine to be left the same as it was a bloodbath this time out, but Stages 1 and 2 being if anything easier than they were before just sucks a** and more so when you know that they're not going to make any changes in keeping with Inui's 'theme'. |
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jan 25, 2022 21:43:32 GMT -5
Hopefully Shingo gets special treatment next time. The only good thing about the static courses is that guys like him have been getting redos on highly trainable courses (thanks Matsuda) since after Sasuke 37 at least. Granted the rain may have thrown him off mentally in 39.
I really really hope some how Takeda doesn't retire, but I doubt he'll be back for the anniversary tournament. We have no confirmation though. Nagano probably will as he said and I bet my bottom dollar Yamada will be back again.
Stage 1 is scary to be fair despite its length. Fishbone and Dragon Glider are no gimmes, and to an extent neither is the Rolling Hill. The walls after the tackle are no joke either. It's a good stage, but I think they should just swap out the small first wall for something else to spice things up. It's pretty boring to watch that one. I'm fine with the Quad Steps and Silk Slider being gimmes.
Stage 2 also just needs one new obstacle to be interesting again. Just upgrade the Spider Walk already--Snowman completely cheesed the Spider Drop last tournament too. Tricky moving panels would be more than enough considering how much Inui likes motors. If making the obstacle motorized is unfeasible or lends itself to being unfair across the competitor pool then just put tricky gaps in it or something.
I'm not asking for a lot here. Replace the first Warped Wall and upgrade the Spider Walk. Stages 3 and 4 are fine.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 26, 2022 5:39:34 GMT -5
My biggest issue with Stage 2 is the fact that the outcome of a competitor’s run basically just boils down to how quickly or slowly they complete the Salmon Ladder and Spider Walk. If they clear the latter obstacle with only 40 seconds left then it’s just a case of where they time out rather than if, whereas if they have hurdles of times it’s just a matter of waiting for them to clear. This is exacerbated by the fact that no one’s failed the Backstream or fallen off the Reverse Conveyer since Sasuke 34.
The easiest way to rectify this imo is make Stage 1 harder such that most competitors who attempt Stage 2 actually have a shot of clearing, and probs reduce the time limit now that the Rolling Log has been nerfed and we’re back to half the field clearing with 10+ seconds left.
If I was given one wish it would just be to get rid of the god damn Rolling Hill. I’ll be the first to admit that it’s not due to the obstacle’s difficulty; it’s taken out loads of veterans and can still be deadly without proper footwork. The main issue is how some competitors just take absolute decades to clear it and then it becomes a foregone conclusion that they’re going to time out. Stage 1 has historically been really fast-paced and that combined with the Silk Slider just makes the first half of the stage an absolute drag. Bring back the Step Slider or even the Twelve Timbers. I’ll accept anything else at this point lol.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jan 31, 2022 2:16:06 GMT -5
Won't lie, Rolling hill is VERY slow... for most. And I definitely agree, take it out. Oh and to add on to no one's failed the backstream or fallen off the reverse conveyer since 34, we somehow get an IN BETWEEN fail. The slide should CLEARLY be more lethal. The last comment is laced with sarcasm.  |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 31, 2022 6:17:06 GMT -5
Won't lie, Rolling hill is VERY slow... for most. And I definitely agree, take it out. Oh and to add on to no one's failed the backstream or fallen off the reverse conveyer since 34, we somehow get an IN BETWEEN fail. The slide should CLEARLY be more lethal. The last comment is laced with sarcasm.  Oh yeah, I forgot about Drewophile, but I don't count that given that it was complete bulls**t - I remember hearing the 'COURSU OUTU DESU' and being like 'you've got to be f***ing kidding me'. Besides, Takeda fell off the Warped Wall in Sasuke 7 and didn't get DQ'd so it's not just dumb as a standalone rule, it's inconsistent as well. I suppose Mori also technically failed the Reverse Conveyer but he would've just timed out if he didn't use that hilarious technique. Bit of a tangent but I hate how they wait until someone clears to DQ them, and sometimes if a competitor commits a foul but just fails later in the stage they just don't acknowledge it. Mori used the same technique in 33 but no one said anything because he failed, so he used it again in 36, cleared, and ONLY THEN did he get disqualified. Honestly I wouldn't mind making the Reverse Conveyer harder such that more competitors actually fall off the belt and into the water. It at least causes some suspense to a run which would otherwise be a foregone conclusion of a clear if the competitor has enough time left. |
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