In 38, what would a realistic all star resurgence look like?

[zoran]

An all star resurgence is where the all stars after a tournament or period slump, regain momentum and perform collectively well and exceed expectations in the particular tournament. Examples would be 11,21,23 and 30.

For Sasuke 38, what would this look like? What's the minimum performance from each all star for the viewer to say "wow the all stars still have fight"?

What would be their absolute best each could achieve, provided substantial training and good luck?

[dakohosu]

Given that they’re all well into their late 40s and 50s now the standard is pretty low, so I’d say if like two of them cleared Stage 1 then it would’ve been sufficiently surprising for fans to call this an All-Star resurgence, especially as none of them have cleared since 34.

[m4tt3r0x]

Resurgence suggests they're competing on par with their previous record, so I'd hardly call 30 a resurgence. The best each could have done at that point would realistically be like
Takeda - Salmon Kudari
Nagano & Shingo - Stage 2 time out
Yamada - Wall time out

But let's say the first three aforementioned All Stars absolutely trained their butts off for Stage 2's endurance and even prepped for the Rolling Log + Salmon combo beforehand. Could any of them gotten to Stage 3? It's possible, like pretty much anything. If you want something badly enough I think you can most of the time get it eventually. I don't believe any of them have or had any true intention of making it to Stage 3 in 38 though. They never showed any signs of practicing swimming and endurance training. At 45+ years old you don't just wing that the day of competition unless you wanna get smoked.

Look at Yuuji. He's almost Takeda's age in 38 and people still think it's possible he'll get back to Stage 4. Difference between him and the All Stars is his dedication. Quite frankly none of them really give a s*** lol. Nagano wings everything, Shingo just wants to get out of Stage 1 at this point, and Takeda refuses to train the Salmon Ladder plus stamina despite those being his weaknesses. Yamada's never beating the Wall no matter what he does though zoran. There's a difference between something being hard and impossible. The guy moves too slow.

The last realistic chance any of them ever had at getting back to Stage 3 was 30 imo. Well maybe 32. They mostly all got unlucky. After that the course just kept unexpectedly evolving and they couldn't keep up. Not like any of them were clearing the Crazy Cliffhanger anyway. So really the last "resurgence" runs were from 21 through 27.

[zoran]

Feb 4, 2022 20:03:45 GMT -5 m4tt3r0x said:

Resurgence suggests they're competing on par with their previous record, so I'd hardly call 30 a resurgence. The best each could have done at that point would realistically be like
Takeda - Salmon Kudari
Nagano & Shingo - Stage 2 time out
Yamada - Wall time out

But let's say the first three aforementioned All Stars absolutely trained their butts off for Stage 2's endurance and even prepped for the Rolling Log + Salmon combo beforehand. Could any of them gotten to Stage 3? It's possible, like pretty much anything. If you want something badly enough I think you can most of the time get it eventually. I don't believe any of them have or had any true intention of making it to Stage 3 in 38 though. They never showed any signs of practicing swimming and endurance training. At 45+ years old you don't just wing that the day of competition unless you wanna get smoked.

Look at Yuuji. He's almost Takeda's age in 38 and people still think it's possible he'll get back to Stage 4. Difference between him and the All Stars is his dedication. Quite frankly none of them really give a s*** lol. Nagano wings everything, Shingo just wants to get out of Stage 1 at this point, and Takeda refuses to train the Salmon Ladder plus stamina despite those being his weaknesses. Yamada's never beating the Wall no matter what he does though zoran. There's a difference between something being hard and impossible. The guy moves like he's elderly.

The last realistic chance any of them ever had at getting back to Stage 3 was 30 imo. They mostly all got unlucky. After that the course just kept unexpectedly evolving and they couldn't keep up. Not like any of them were clearing the Crazy Cliffhanger anyway. So really the last "resurgence" runs were from 21 through 27.

I think Takeda could actually beat the salmon ladder Kudari given he nearly beat it in both 33 and 34 and given the training he did for 38 allowed him to "clear" stage 1 with a very strong time, he could probably beat the ladder this time.

[m4tt3r0x]

Doubt it considering even Ryo whiffed it and on the nobori no less. Regardless he would have gotten chewed up by the latter half like Yuuji and Hioki.

[Ninja Relaxer]

Two Stage 1 clears would have exceeded my expectations. Anything beyond that is too unrealistic to be worth entertaining. It's amazing enough that one of them kinda-sorta cleared Stage 1 (Takeda, if he hadn't been disqualified).

[dakohosu]

Tbh a lot of us were even impressed at how well the All-Stars did in 38 as it stands. All of them reached the Dragon Glider and Takeda did what no one achieved in 25 years which was clear Stage 1 at the age of 45+; the latter alone, especially given that he was recovering from an injury and had to re-build himself back up from zero, is enough for me to be pretty happy with their overall results. Even if Takeda did get disqualified, the fact of the matter was that he showed he was still capable even 15 years beyond his prime. I was almost certain he'd fail Stage 1 as well so finding out that he cleared (given that it wasn't shown on the broadcast) was one of the few times I was so happy to be proven wrong.

I think people have to accept that these guys are all pushing 50-55 years old now; I've often seen people expect them to perform well just because of the typical All-Star bias and because of their successes before which I think is pretty unfair in all honesty. When Iketani came back in 37 everyone knew he would fail Stage 1; a lot of people don't want Kane to return in fear of him failing Stage 1 at his age. Both were arguably equally successful as some of the All-Stars, so why are the All-Stars any different? Best case scenario m4tt3r0x hit the nail on the head but that's absolute best case scenario. Shingo would most likely fail Stage 1, there's no way in hell Yamada would make it past the Dragon Glider given that he doesn't actually attempt the obstacle in practice, and Nagano probably would've timed out on the wall given how basically all of his most recent fails have been caused by that very obstacle.

Most people would've been really disappointed by 38's All-Star results and expected Nagano to reach Stage 3 (seriously some people actually predicted this) but I'm a realist so personally I was satisfied with how well they did that tournament.

[subtleagent]

At this point given Nagano, Takeda, Bunpei, and Akiyama are all retired due to old age, injuries, or loss of interest. I can really only see a Shingo Stage 1 clear.

Even then his last clear was 8 years ago on one of the easiest Stage 1s in the history of the show. A clear out of Shingo might be expecting a bit too much these days. And he's not made it to Stage 3 in 13 years. One could argue he would have made it in 25 and 30, but even if he somehow did he has virtually zero chance on modern Stage 3.

Yamada is out of the question and since they apparently don't give older competitors a time boost these days (it seems to only be female competitors, and they don't get a lower Warped Wall anymore) he's not clearing. His last real chance I would say was around 27/28 ish. He was never known for speed and now he's become so slow that a time out is a given if he doesn't fail first.

[hoseasasuke]

In 38? I'd say Nagano clearing Stage 1, Takeda not being disqualified, Shingo getting to the wall, and Yamada doing as well as he did irl. Right now? Shingo clearing.