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Post by Amber on Jul 4, 2016 14:59:12 GMT -5
In my opinion having the whole competition in 3-4 hours doesn't work because not everyone will be shown... And that's a bad thing how? Whining about people being cut or fast forwarded is the most annoying thing people do. They are decent on cuts most of the time, which rumor has it this is a tournament that does not fit in that 'most of the time' but they usually just cut nobodies who fail the first half of stage 1. As for fast forwards, THEY ARE FINE. Do you want to sit here and watch people clear, OVER AND OVER and make the show take much longer than it needs to, while at that, showing full time outs can add even more time along with the fluffpieces of these people.
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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 4, 2016 15:33:41 GMT -5
In my opinion having the whole competition in 3-4 hours doesn't work because not everyone will be shown... If everyone's full run was shown the entire show would last 12+ hours and be atrociously boring, not to mention the garbage ratings the show would draw. Think before you speak.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 15:45:13 GMT -5
In my opinion having the whole competition in 3-4 hours doesn't work because not everyone will be shown... If everyone's full run was shown the entire show would last 12+ hours and be atrociously boring, not to mention the garbage ratings the show would draw. Think before you speak. Did I say I wanted the show to be extended? no. I want it split in parts...
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 4, 2016 15:55:08 GMT -5
Sasuke barely does well as a special... it would die if it was a series...
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Post by SolitudeSeeker. on Jul 4, 2016 17:22:23 GMT -5
I am too, lol. lol. I'll be here if anyone needs anything.
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Post by TCM on Jul 4, 2016 17:30:23 GMT -5
In my opinion having the whole competition in 3-4 hours doesn't work because not everyone will be shown... And that's a bad thing how? Whining about people being cut or fast forwarded is the most annoying thing people do. They are decent on cuts most of the time, which rumor has it this is a tournament that does not fit in that 'most of the time' but they usually just cut nobodies who fail the first half of stage 1. As for fast forwards, THEY ARE FINE. Do you want to sit here and watch people clear, OVER AND OVER and make the show take much longer than it needs to, while at that, showing full time outs can add even more time along with the fluffpieces of these people. It is one thing to fast forward clears when you're exceeding a dozen or more for one stage. Even digested or mid-cutting runs makes sense. What doesn't make sense is when the farthest Japanese competitor on the course doesn't even get a single run shown. It's one thing to cut someone who is relatively new and doesn't make a splash. It's another thing to cut a popular competitor like Shunsuke who people have long wanted to return only to just now be shown. It's downright cruel to cut someone who ended up being the 3rd CCH clear just two tournaments ago and in his return tournament from injury not even be shown at all (Shinya). And cutting clears in unacceptable in any regard. Clears have 0 influence on what time slot the show is given. If anything, we needed 31's time slot considering the significance of Nagano's retirement. We can mid-cut timeouts. The editing of this show is one the key negatives of 32. In fact, probably the biggest. As for the fans in Japan, I'm happy they're incensed because I can see how they should be. Just as one example, it is disappointed to promote celebs (which is important) only for them to not do well on the course. Tsukasa and Darvish I understand because they have potential and it seems they take the show seriously, so I'm not immediately discouraged by that. But I also don't affect the ratings so its easy for me to say that. I'm not a fan of clamoring for the show's cancellation because I don't think the competitors should be punished like that, because they're the most immediately affected, no matter how aware they are about Sasuke's future. I don't want Inui or TBS to think of this as 'Well, good, they don't care about the show.' This if anything shows they care. That there is an audience somewhere to build on, and they feel slighted (because in numerous ways, they are). So, take the criticism to heart and recover the show from the hole its in. It can't be fully done in one year, but surprisingly, put forth an effort into reviving something and you just might get results out of it.
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 4, 2016 17:37:16 GMT -5
Honestly the editing was bad but not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. In chat very few were talking about editing and it only really came up afterwards on the forum (barring All-Stars digest but Shingo/Takeda got digested in 30 I believe so it's no different, Inui seems to have a reason to skip them as this wasn't the first time). The results were bad by all the popular guys and the fact they pulled a 10.9 with B Stars for over an hour is pretty impressive IMO. I'd love to see the break down and if the Americans actually were draws, but honestly I thought this would do below a 10 and considering it did a 10.9 I would consider that quite a success considering how crap Stage 2 was and like no draws in Stage 3. And people need to get over the whole calling for SASUKE to be cancelled. You can say you don't like it but please stop trying to ruin the show for everyone else it's just childish and embarrassing and it's making the Japanese audience seem as impatient as the American audience. Yes it was badly edited but it was still a great show and it clearly worked promoting the celebrities (No Kanzenseiha, few new celebs and less all stars and still drew more ratings) with a 10.9. If anyone seriously thought this was gonna do 12+ I'd be amazed, and considering they needed a 10 rating for a 31 (or was it 30? I can't remember ) I'd be fairly confident that there will be a 33. If you don't like SASUKE you've got plenty of options to satisfy your SASUKE/Ninja Warrior needs so people saying it should be cancelled can stop watching and go watch ANW. Question: Does Japan do a Quarterly Rating breakdown? I'd love to see where it got big/potentially dropped off.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 4, 2016 17:50:10 GMT -5
Wow I go away for a few hours and I hear a bunch of strange ideas. LOL The problem wasn't the tournament or the results. People IMMEDIATELY think of that "swap out that person, change this obstacle, change the entire format of the show.. (wtf..), ban all foreigners"... no it has nothing to do with that. As someone who was there. There was nothing egregious to the show! The presentation was the worst it has ever been. Hell just look at Navi.. 20 minutes to rehash the celebs Sasuke 31 runs? That's never happened before. I think the part that really pissed them off (outside of Jun - not as a person (I hear he's not so nice) - but as a concept of National pride) is how the Shin Sedai were introduced behind the backdrop of ANW. They were asking why the hell where they pimping ANW when it's not even shown in Japan. They even did it with Nagano!! Everything had to tie into ANW specifically while the rest of the foreigners (from like 8 countries) WERE ALL CUT! They can't call it an international competition when only 1 country was prominently shown. For the record they think the Americans are awesome. It only reminds them how much Japan athletically is lagging behind in skill because Sasuke does nothing to cultivate a sports atmosphere like the USA does. During Kacy's run they were reminded of that and they ragged on how they only had to show a celeb chick in the main show when a teenager who got to the Double Pendulum was cut. They had a blip of her on Navi but they didn't show her on the show because they spent it on fluff pieces on the celebs and ANW commercials. I already ranted about it and what I find amusing is that I didn't even know that it was the exact arguments that the Japanese were having overnight when I was doing the video. The real argument though was what they did to Nagano. That was the worst send off and slap across the face to the All-stars that ever existed. You will never be able to recreate that. That history is lost now. In fact they didn't even know Bunpei and Akiyama were there until they saw them flash across the screen. The more we conflate it, the more likely the show dies. I say extinguish the inflammatory discussion from here on out--the message to Inui and TBS has been received. We need not give them a reason to kill the show altogether by making the fan base a deterrent for future investors. Our opinions are out opinions. They are reading the comments from Japan. Ours are irrelevant since we are not the target audience. Nothing is wrong with adequately analyzing the situation and discussing it. If you don't want to read them don't. What we say here isn't going to sway anyone in Japan in one way or the other. What is important in all of this exercise is the real possibility if the revolt is large enough they will lose the last of their sponsors and have no money to bring Sasuke back. If they lost confidence in the editing of the show when it is clearly shifting towards giving away the soul of the show to the Americans then there is no point for them to watch. They wanted to cheer on the competitors of the event and TBS didn't give that to them. They were force-fed a commercial for a show that doesn't even air on national television and told this is the future. They are rejecting that future. If they feel that way, kiss Sasuke World Cup goodbye. As for Sasuke Japan. I doubt we will even see 34. They are eluding to 33 but nothing is in stone. The backlash caught them by surprise and the ratings didn't pay out despite them editing it for "ratings". The crisis is real.
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Post by Badalight on Jul 4, 2016 18:01:49 GMT -5
I posted a link in the Ratings thread that Inui posted. Seems the viewers thing how the show was edited was a travesty. Imbalance towards the American show (not competitors). Disrespect to Nagano and the All-Stars. Elimination/Digest/Marginalization of the furthest Japanese man on the course (Sato Jun). Extreme imbalance towards the celebrity component of the show to the detriment of cutting runs of other worthy fan favorites. The state of Japanese women in Japan compared to America. The main arguments were not towards competitors per se but HOW the show was edited and marketed to the Japanese audience. to them the focus is biasly shifted to the foreign markets instead of domestic. That's the nutshell. 2ch lit up something fierce and their solution is the pull the plug now that Sasuke has hit rock bottom and it is obvious their focus is the foreign market. Hell they even posted on the rarely used Facebook pages, every social media like twitter, blogs, etc. and even made videos online about it. All of this was done while I was making a video on my own views on wtf is going on in Japan. I didn't even know until I was uploading the video early this morning. ... Discuss. Invite Okada Yuuichi, Tatsuya Tada, Okuyama Yoshiyuki, and Hashimouto Kouji back. Americans David Campbell, Brent, Drew, Kacy, and Bada or Bernardo. In future Sasuke thirty six or thirty seven invite Phillip or my. lol. I apologize lol. ........Invite Perry back and let Miska compete this time already. Fix stage two and three. I don't know what I did to deserve this, but I'll take it!
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jul 4, 2016 18:07:06 GMT -5
Ok, let's take this from the start. First of all 1/2 of the Navi went to Darvish and Tsukada and they quickly threw up some notable competitors and Nagano. Hell they didn't even show Drew or Sato in the Navi (compared to the previous ones where they showed who should we look forward to). All in all the Navi felt rushed and without any content worth watching, except from the only run they showed and the Nagano fluff piece.
Onto the show we go...
Most of the 1st Stage was spent on advertising the celebrities (Darvish, Okura Shimon, Tsukada, Takeru, Yutaka, Ibushi (not sure)) showing loooooong fluff pieces of them and showing their faces every half a second. That was a huge waste of our time as they pretty much didn't do well, except from Takeru who could have been on Stage 2 if he hadn't done that silly error in the Tarzan Rope. The runs were highly sporadic and aside from the notable competitors and the celebrities, we didn't really watch anyone else. The number of cuts and fast-forwards reminded me of the pathetic SASUKE 26 1st Stage editing pretty much. Also another problem is that from 87 and onwards they rushed every run. Urushihara, Matachi and Takahashi didn't even get a fluff piece, they just went straight to their runs, receiving no proper treatment at all. Finally my biggest gripe about the 1st Stage was the way they handled the "All-Stars". They freaking skipped 98 and 99! This happened with 99 in SASUKE 18 as well (he was cut) but only because he wasn't a notable competitor. Takeda and Shingo getting digested in such a big moment for them was pathetic. Now we come to Nagano's run. They tried their best to make us forget about the mess in Stage 1 but the fact that they didn't even show half of the ending ceremony was disappointing. This is the guy that kept the SASUKE interest high. It wasn't neither Tsukada, not Yutaka, nor any other celebrity minus Darvish as he has to be popular in Japan.
For Stage 2 it was a disaster. They skipped it in like 15-20 minutes, showing that even they knew it was boring as hell. They need to do something about that. They can't find a way to make this Stage interesting without using controversial obstacles and rulings. Shame on them.
In Stage 3, as many have stated they digested Sato's run (and pretty much digested every single run of his) and the weather played an important role in our expectations getting lower and lower but it's not for the editor's to take the blame.
TL;DR: Their editing SCREAMED "HELP, we can barely survive!" and with no real improvement over SASUKE 31 and with Nagano leaving I expect the number to drop in the 7-8s (maybe less) for the next tournament IF it happens. It was a tragedy. The irony is that Inui was apologising profusely the last time and as we all saw he learned his lesson *rolls eyes*. I don't know if I'm fair or I just want more than they can offer me but this tournament is highly forgettable if you exclude Nagano's run and maybe Drew's godly performance.
TL;DR EXTREME: As Nagano would say, "Mottainai..."
Question: Jun Sato is not really nice? That's the last thing I expected to hear
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Post by arsenette on Jul 4, 2016 18:16:12 GMT -5
I can't upvote your post hard enough PsychoDelusion. That's a shame because that is EXACTLY on point. It is a shame because the tourney live was actually pretty exciting.. except for the 2nd stage.. but otherwise NOT what we saw on television. I mean.. not even close.
Edit: That's the word around town. He avoided everyone and everyone avoided him. I didn't get to meet him. I assumed it was pressure but apparently it's his personality.
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Post by Badalight on Jul 4, 2016 18:18:55 GMT -5
I think some people are of the opinion that we should talk ol yeller out to the back and put an end to him before he's too far gone.
But I don't agree with that at all, personally. Nothing against having that opinion, though it's in direct conflict with what I'd like to see.
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jul 4, 2016 18:28:30 GMT -5
I can't upvote your post hard enough PsychoDelusion. That's a shame because that is EXACTLY on point. It is a shame because the tourney live was actually pretty exciting.. except for the 2nd stage.. but otherwise NOT what we saw on television. I mean.. not even close. Edit: That's the word around town. He avoided everyone and everyone avoided him. I didn't get to meet him. I assumed it was pressure but apparently it's his personality. Thanks for this. From my POV Sato looks like a pretty shy guy (this is shown quite strongly in SASUKE 23,24 and 25) as he seems to be pretty close only with family and friends and closed to himself overall. He was never a guy to celebrate in his clears and I think his celebrations in this tournament are out of relief as he could deliver in his only chance given possibly. I think that any shy person can relate, but as I was pretty distant as a teenager, I know that sometimes this attitude can be taken the wrong way. One does realise that once he starts seeing thing for the other side. He doesn't really hang out with the others and possibly the others don't pursue him as they don't really know him and they don't see any interest from him. If he keeps appearing in SASUKE though I think he'll open up one way or another.
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Post by lostinube on Jul 4, 2016 19:04:48 GMT -5
Short article about the reaction in Japan: www.asagei.com/excerpt/61522Half of the article is about people being upset about the weather and how it was unfair to the competitors which is well, that is what is. They were given the date and did what they could. The other part talks about the how people were cut (i.e. the editing).
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 4, 2016 19:09:33 GMT -5
I don't see why people are complaining about the weather, that's not really TBS's fault, I do agree Darvish Kenji and Takahashi Kenji should have gotten re-runs and they should have tarped on top of the trusses for the top part of the first half of Stage 3 like they did to protect the motor from failing or worse... But that's not TBS's fault...
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 4, 2016 19:11:04 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I liked Sasuke 26 (minus the overkill-amount of attention to Naoto in the first stage). Sometimes the drama comes from the editing itself. You never know who will get digested. I kind of like it that way.
On the other hand, I do contend that this show was waaaay off in terms of cohesion. It felt like it couldn't decide if it was trying to do something new or conform to the program's traditions. There are a lot of things that I miss from the M9 era. It felt like there were hardly any digest montages after the very beginning of the show. I miss the competitors having more distinct theme songs. I miss the little intermissions between chunks of competitors that gave us time to breathe and spend some time with the high-profile competitors as they goofed around while waiting. Even the camera angles can't seem to consistently decide where they want to be. I feel like since 28, there's some THING, some secret sauce in the editing that's missing. I think it's a feeling of consistency. M9 had it down to a science. Granted, there are a few things I definitely LIKE about this era's editing, but I have to admit it doesn't have that special magic like it used to.
For example--I love in the older tournaments how before you would even see who was about to run, you could hear their theme and you knew exactly whose turn it was. It was a great way to get the hype up and keep us on our toes. Most of the music that's used now, as nice as it is, all kind of blends in together. So in a way, the competitors kind of blend in together and we lose a little bit of identity in the process.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 4, 2016 19:47:08 GMT -5
I don't see why people are complaining about the weather, that's not really TBS's fault, I do agree Darvish Kenji and Takahashi Kenji should have gotten re-runs and they should have tarped on top of the trusses for the top part of the first half of Stage 3 like they did to protect the motor from failing or worse... But that's not TBS's fault... That.. Is their job to properly adapt. Sorry having issues posting on mobile.
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Post by SuperTiger on Jul 4, 2016 19:56:25 GMT -5
The editing was quite poor in this tournament. No if ands or buts about it; however what bothers me most about it is the timing of it all. I genuinely fear for the future of the show based on the sharp criticism from the Japanese audience. Next year will be SASUKE's 20th anniversary and shows tend to end on round numbers such as. Hopefully there is an effort to do some sort of damage control before the next tournament. Not only to keep the show alive a little bit longer but to rectify the issues with the broadcast from this tournament.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 4, 2016 19:56:45 GMT -5
Articles are now being written.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 20:00:03 GMT -5
I hate it when SASUKE is under threat of cancellation...it ruins my enjoyment, and probably others' too.
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