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Post by supernovamaniac on Jul 4, 2016 20:04:53 GMT -5
I don't know if it was Inui's misjudgement, higher-ups wanting the show to go in particular direction, the stress from missing the tapes during editing, shorter time to edit the show, or combination of multiple things. All I got from watching this was that everything felt really rushed, and some runs were really predictable due to editing.
But I think Inui was right about 'One more SASUKE' tweet. Things didn't go well this time around, and fans are calling into cancel SASUKE. On a personal note (and do hate on me if I think I'm wrong, but this is purely personal opinion based on my experiences as professional caster in Korean scene), any attention is better than none. It really shows to TBS that there are fans out there who are still really passionate about SASUKE, regardless of their intentions. With fans showing disapprovals this time, I do think that these fans will tune in one more time next year if it is advertised correctly (which means that Inui has a chance to redeem himself).
Of course, it's easier said than done. Knowing the television world, I wouldn't be surprised if the higher ups didn't give Inui another chance to run the show (or give SASUKE another go). But if 33 does happen, then Inui has one chance to redeem himself.
P.S. I really don't like giving producers hard time on their finished product, partially because I know how hard it is to produce a show, and how long the edit can take. With all due respect, I just didn't enjoy this show as much as the other ones as a long time fan. If SASUKE 33 happens, I hope he takes this as a valuable experience and create a better product, to a point where people will say "32 was one-off occasion".
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Post by lostinube on Jul 4, 2016 20:18:44 GMT -5
Please note the title of the article: 「史上最低のSASUKE」TBSの不手際運営に選手、視聴者から苦情殺到
Currently, if you do a 24 hour search of SASUKE TBS on google it gives you a ton of hits but many of them are the same article republished word for word on other news aggregators. Put that on top of the number of sites that are simply copies of 2ch threads and it makes the results look a lot bigger than they are.
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Post by Philip on Jul 4, 2016 20:30:48 GMT -5
Yeah it's depressing people want Sasuke to be cancelled.. :/
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jul 4, 2016 20:32:20 GMT -5
My 2 cents:
I liked the tournament, the editing was poor, among other things, but I felt satasfied after the show ended.
Yes, the editing was bad at times. First Stage was very rocky and it was obvious Tomo wasn't getting to the UCCH as it friggen looked like the show was over after Wreathman failed with the way commercials were laid out. Also, lol, the 5 minutes of Second Stage.
Yes, Nagano got a mediocre send off and the All-Stars were questionably glossed over, but the first stage was over 2/3 of the broadcast as it was (I still strongly believe Nagano deserved more time and his ceremony should had been immediately after his run).
And yes, the weather sucked and influenced runs. That should had been handled better, even without the A-team being there.
Overall, a lot of things could had been done better. But two things I personally don't understand. And let me make myself clear here, I'm no expert:
1. Why so much celeb hate? Yeah they get a lot of time and they didn't do particularly well this tourney, but watching the broadcast, not once, as a viewer, did I think, "these guys are getting too much time." I actually like the current celebs too.
2. And obviously this is a striking source of contension right now, but what's with the foreigner hate, or to clarify, the alleged "foreign market" backlash? They showed ANW a few times, didn't bother me, and I don't even like ANW. They didn't shove that down our throats, it was just there. They had to show Brent because he was first, and Drew did the best. They ff'd the Swedish guy, and Wreathman barely even counts as a foreigner. I don't get it. Again, people are saying this show looked like it was designed to be marketed for a foreign audience, I never thought that watching it. Yeah they ff'd Sato Jun, but they really showed off Nagasaki, Tomo, and had a good mix of Japanese vets on Stage 1.
Ultimately I enjoyed the tournament and did not expect this backlash from Japan. I don't get it, but I'm sure it's warranted for them for some way I'm missing. Only thing I found extremely wrong was Nagano's send off. Weather, editing, etc. were forgiveable, because although they were disappointing, I still felt satisfied after the tournament ended. Maybe it's because Stage 1 isn't a joke anymore, or everything wasn't so predictable this time around, or Nagano's run was just too awesome, but I liked the tournament.
Edit: One last thing I'd like to add in. I remember after watching Sasuke 26 live, I actually was upset. That tournament sucked. Naoto was the entire first stage, fan-favorites did terrible, third stage was too impossible, Okuyama was the only highlight. I know what it feels like to hate a tournament, I didn't feel that way after 32.
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Post by lostinube on Jul 4, 2016 20:39:24 GMT -5
Here is something about Jun Sato. One main thing about Sato that people are saying is that since he was the top Japanese finisher, why was he digested? The beginning of this "article" states (without any proof) that TBS was gunshy about featuring Jun because they don't want kids to imitate him because show parkour > kids imitate > kid dies > SASUKE has to stop. This is probably referencing how speed eating contests were taken off the air (including on TBS) after a student died trying to do some speed eating. vipper-trendy.net/?p=2817
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Post by arsenette on Jul 4, 2016 20:41:06 GMT -5
I think the disconnect is that we see this with western eyes. The show no longer reflects a Japanese show for the Japanese audience. They feel betrayed. 31 was considered a great tournament and 32 rolls around with the "new direction " and it was summarily rejected. Inui probably said 1 more because Morimoto hasn't come back. The issue is that this renewal is a shift to show how much the foreign market is controlling Sasuke. This is the same problem that happened just before M9 folded. It is worth knowing the warning signs. Nagano is right. This show is about to go away. Very soon.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jul 4, 2016 20:48:03 GMT -5
I think the disconnect is that we see this with western eyes. The show no longer reflects a Japanese show for the Japanese audience. They feel betrayed. 31 was considered a great tournament and 32 rolls around with the "new direction " and it was summarily rejected. Inui probably said 1 more because Morimoto hasn't come back. The issue is that this renewal is a shift to show how much the foreign market is controlling Sasuke. This is the same problem that happened just before M9 folded. It is worth knowing the warning signs. Nagano is right. This show is about to go away. Very soon. Sad, but probably true. In the end, however, 32 (possibly 33) tournaments would be one hell of a run. Would I be sorry to see it go? Of course I would. I've seen every tournament, and have enjoyed most of them (including this one). However, I'd rather see the show end on a relative high than limp its way behind the shed. That's the main reason I want another tournament: not because I have any illusions of how long the show will be able to go, but because I want to see one last moment of glory.
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Post by jfeathe on Jul 4, 2016 21:38:14 GMT -5
I need clarification on one thing I have never fully understood: What are the current arrangements between TBS/the Sasuke brand and all of the international spinoffs? Are there "royalties" or other income streams or have the international spin-offs become totally removed from TBS's Sasuke? What was the last Sasuke packaged as Ninja Warrior? Are they still doing those for the most recent tournaments and if so, is there an market for these tournaments? I have to imagine they made truckloads of money selling Ninja Warrior and Unbeatable Banzuke all over the world, but maybe it's not as much as I thought? I could see Americans going nuts over a 2 hour "G4-style" airing of one of Sasuke's tournaments. I may be 180 degrees off base, but I thought at least for a while that these international versions were the main thing keeping Sasuke afloat in Japan. Are they still a main factor in keeping Sasuke going? Please yell and scream at me if I'm wrong about most things here. I'm rusty on my knowledge of the Sasuke dynasty.
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Post by SasukeForever on Jul 4, 2016 21:43:05 GMT -5
I need clarification on one thing I have never fully understood: What are the current arrangements between TBS/the Sasuke brand and all of the international spinoffs? Are there "royalties" or other income streams or have the international spin-offs become totally removed from TBS's Sasuke? What was the last Sasuke packaged as Ninja Warrior? Are they still doing those for the most recent tournaments and if so, is there an market for these tournaments? I have to imagine they made truckloads of money selling Ninja Warrior and Unbeatable Banzuke all over the world, but maybe it's not as much as I thought? I could see Americans going nuts over a 2 hour "G4-style" airing of one of Sasuke's tournaments. I may be 180 degrees off base, but I thought at least for a while that these international versions were the main thing keeping Sasuke afloat in Japan. Are they still a main factor in keeping Sasuke going? Please yell and scream at me if I'm wrong about most things here. I'm rusty on my knowledge of the Sasuke dynasty. 1. IIRC each spinoff pays TBS a royalty. How much, how often etc I don't know but there's some kind of deal. 2. Ninja Warrior internationally stopped after 27, when G4 quit showing it in favor of ANW. G4 made the episodes and distributed them, so once they stopped showing new episodes, the world stopped as well until recently when the UK made their own Ninja Warrior episodes of 28-30, with plans to do 31 and 32 as well. 3. I'd say they are a main key to Sasuke staying afloat. The money earned isn't much, but still it's something to keep it going. With that said I think more money goes to TBS if anything, and Sasuke is given a small amount of money to build the new course etc, which is a shame
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Post by arsenette on Jul 4, 2016 22:01:18 GMT -5
The only correction really is that TBS gets the money. Sasuke does not. The royalties money is send to the TV station to then distribute among all the other shows the network produces. This is a common problem with the set up in Japan. This has been going on for decades and many stations do this.
As for all the internationals (including ANW) they have to pay TBS a license fee (every year) for the right be considered a spin off. (Just look at the credits of every single one of them and you see the TBS logo on it). The price varies but someone like NBC pays anywhere from 5-7 million a year just for the ANW name. That may seem alot but that is the only money TBS gets. TBS does not touch a single dime of the ANW advertising revenue which is in the tens of millions. ATS (the builder for ANW) is now making a lot of money handling the building for many of the internationals effectively splitting the money that NBC would get for licensing their version to other markets.. but that's a WHOLE different conversation and I can be here all day explaining.
TLDR: Corporate gets license money that divies to the other shows on the network while giving Sasuke a fraction of what they made.
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Post by Badalight on Jul 4, 2016 22:50:50 GMT -5
Imagine if we keep getting 1/4 of the previous year's budget. At some point, Sasuke is going to be held inside Ryo Matachi's apartment.
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Post by Philip on Jul 4, 2016 22:57:28 GMT -5
Yeah, TBS is f***ing pathetic and this needs to stop. They make so much money off of selling the Sasuke name, the least they could do is return some of the money to Folcom/whoever.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 4, 2016 23:18:15 GMT -5
I may be 180 degrees off base, but I thought at least for a while that these international versions were the main thing keeping Sasuke afloat in Japan. Are they still a main factor in keeping Sasuke going? Please yell and scream at me if I'm wrong about most things here. I'm rusty on my knowledge of the Sasuke dynasty. TBS would be very (if not more) happy just milking the international money and just selling the Sasuke format internationally rather than actually having to spend money making an actual show, why do you think they keep slashing Inui's budget, TBS isn't super happy about having to keep making a show that does fairly mediocre in ratings (They're not bad ratings, they're not good ratings, they're the ratings) and with the growing popularity around the world they're seeing more and more that the money will come in even without making a product domestically, why do you think there was so much focus on ANW over Sasuke as far as profiles (Again, not even just the 3 ANW competitors, Ryo, Hioki, Kawaguchi, people like them got USA vs The World spotlights while their Sasuke history is presented more as an afterthought), which is one of the things the home audience hated, the fact that TBS is outright saying their show isn't important and the spinoffs are more important to them. Here is something about Jun Sato. One main thing about Sato that people are saying is that since he was the top Japanese finisher, why was he digested? The beginning of this "article" states (without any proof) that TBS was gunshy about featuring Jun because they don't want kids to imitate him because show parkour > kids imitate > kid dies > SASUKE has to stop. This is probably referencing how speed eating contests were taken off the air (including on TBS) after a student died trying to do some speed eating. vipper-trendy.net/?p=2817This seemed like more of an opinion page rather than an actual article, I can see where the writer is coming from. (despite the google translate disaster, I'll admit I laughed at some of the translations, I was quite amused by "First feces a play-by-play")
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Post by DacTracked on Jul 5, 2016 0:02:28 GMT -5
So TBS digested Jun's runs just because it could cause some people to do intense obstacles and parkour in the younger demographic of SASUKE viewers? Interesting......
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Post by Amber on Jul 5, 2016 0:05:30 GMT -5
Haven't they showed parkour footage of Jun before anyways though?
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Post by Kowai Yume on Jul 5, 2016 0:09:43 GMT -5
M9 era, so TBS could shift the blame on them.
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Post by Amber on Jul 5, 2016 0:11:27 GMT -5
M9 era, so TBS could shift the blame on them. Right, fair point. They still don't have to necessarily show parkour footage of him though, but yeah now I kinda understand why they did that. Would be cheesy but couldn't they give a warning not to try anything stupid though?
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Post by supernovamaniac on Jul 5, 2016 0:43:39 GMT -5
(They're not bad ratings, they're not good ratings, they're the ratings) Stop. Just... no. Here is something about Jun Sato. One main thing about Sato that people are saying is that since he was the top Japanese finisher, why was he digested? The beginning of this "article" states (without any proof) that TBS was gunshy about featuring Jun because they don't want kids to imitate him because show parkour > kids imitate > kid dies > SASUKE has to stop. This is probably referencing how speed eating contests were taken off the air (including on TBS) after a student died trying to do some speed eating. vipper-trendy.net/?p=2817Was this the only article about it? Because it just seems like clickbait, like them Korean news articles about random TV shows.
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Post by DacTracked on Jul 5, 2016 0:52:57 GMT -5
So, remember the decent-good editing in SSK 31? Yeah. This should've been like that, even with a fourth of the budget.
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Post by lostinube on Jul 5, 2016 0:53:01 GMT -5
Are people missing the point about the quotes around the word article? It's more like a blog post by some random person but it has several duplicates around the web, which is why I decided to share it.
The thing about it being unfair to digest Sato when he did so well is something that is in various 2ch threads.
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