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Post by arsenette on Jul 4, 2016 13:15:58 GMT -5
I posted a link in the Ratings thread that Inui posted. Seems the viewers thing how the show was edited was a travesty. Imbalance towards the American show (not competitors). Disrespect to Nagano and the All-Stars. Elimination/Digest/Marginalization of the furthest Japanese man on the course (Sato Jun). Extreme imbalance towards the celebrity component of the show to the detriment of cutting runs of other worthy fan favorites. The state of Japanese women in Japan compared to America. The main arguments were not towards competitors per se but HOW the show was edited and marketed to the Japanese audience. to them the focus is biasly shifted to the foreign markets instead of domestic. That's the nutshell. 2ch lit up something fierce and their solution is the pull the plug now that Sasuke has hit rock bottom and it is obvious their focus is the foreign market. Hell they even posted on the rarely used Facebook pages, every social media like twitter, blogs, etc. and even made videos online about it. All of this was done while I was making a video on my own views on wtf is going on in Japan. I didn't even know until I was uploading the video early this morning. ... Discuss. (Edited a broken link)
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Post by SolitudeSeeker. on Jul 4, 2016 13:30:50 GMT -5
I posted a link in the Ratings thread that Inui posted. Seems the viewers thing how the show was edited was a travesty. Imbalance towards the American show (not competitors). Disrespect to Nagano and the All-Stars. Elimination/Digest/Marginalization of the furthest Japanese man on the course (Sato Jun). Extreme imbalance towards the celebrity component of the show to the detriment of cutting runs of other worthy fan favorites. The state of Japanese women in Japan compared to America. The main arguments were not towards competitors per se but HOW the show was edited and marketed to the Japanese audience. to them the focus is biasly shifted to the foreign markets instead of domestic. That's the nutshell. 2ch lit up something fierce and their solution is the pull the plug now that Sasuke has hit rock bottom and it is obvious their focus is the foreign market. Hell they even posted on the rarely used Facebook pages, every social media like twitter, blogs, etc. and even made videos online about it. All of this was done while I was making a video on my own views on wtf is going on in Japan. I didn't even know until I was uploading the video early this morning. ... Discuss. Invite Okada Yuuichi, Tatsuya Tada, Okuyama Yoshiyuki, and Hashimouto Kouji back. Americans David Campbell, Brent, Drew, Kacy, and Bada or Bernardo. In future Sasuke thirty six or thirty seven invite Phillip or my. lol. I apologize lol. ........Invite Perry back and let Miska compete this time already. Fix stage two and three.
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Post by DacTracked on Jul 4, 2016 13:35:07 GMT -5
I remember in last tournament's broadcast where there was a good amount of Japanese competitors shown along with the women competitors and has less cuts and fast forwards. Now this time, it doesn't feel the same anymore. It seems like they wanted to aim more at the foreigners who are fans and competitors of the show and celebrities who aren't worth showing considering that they usually don't get far. It's destroying the nature of SASUKE where normally you'd see regular Japanese people like office workers, janitors, athletes, etc compete on a four stage obstacle course. It isn't a celebrity or foreigner special of the show. It's supposed to be normal, fun, and plain SASUKE. Even though they showed some veterans run the course, it doesn't change much things at all. It's disappointing how they were fast forwarding runs from 61-71, etc. Even Shingo and Takeda were fast forwarded. Yes, I know Nagano is supposed to be an important factor in SSK 32 with his last run shown, but hey, Shingo and Takeda are important people too! I hope Inui learns a lesson from this and does better next year.....if we have a tournament next year.
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Post by DacTracked on Jul 4, 2016 13:37:01 GMT -5
I remember in last tournament's broadcast where there was a good amount of Japanese competitors shown along with the women competitors and has less cuts and fast forwards. Now this time, it doesn't feel the same anymore. It seems like they wanted to aim more at the foreigners who are fans and competitors of the show and celebrities who aren't worth showing considering that they usually don't get far. It's destroying the nature of SASUKE where normally you'd see regular Japanese people like office workers, janitors, athletes, etc compete on a four stage obstacle course. It isn't a celebrity or foreigner special of the show. It's supposed to be normal, fun, and plain SASUKE. Even though they showed some veterans run the course, it doesn't change much things at all. It's disappointing how they were fast forwarding runs from 61-71, etc. Even Shingo and Takeda were fast forwarded. Yes, I know Nagano is supposed to be an important factor in SSK 32 with his last run shown, but hey, Shingo and Takeda are important people too! I hope Inui learns a lesson from this and does better next year.....if we have a tournament next year. Oh and also, I'm kinda disappointed they cut Perry, Kacy, and a few others from the broadcast.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 4, 2016 13:37:46 GMT -5
The more we conflate it, the more likely the show dies. I say extinguish the inflammatory discussion from here on out--the message to Inui and TBS has been received. We need not give them a reason to kill the show altogether by making the fan base a deterrent for future investors.
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Post by Amber on Jul 4, 2016 13:40:32 GMT -5
IIRC, Koji had a stressful time on the show and wasn't having much fun with the show? So he may not even want to come back, sorry for semi going off topic of the thread.
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Post by Philip on Jul 4, 2016 13:41:23 GMT -5
Although I didn't hate it as much as others did, here are my thoughts:
The way they treated Jun was a travesty. Not a single run shown.
This editing problem could easily be solved by releasing every run on Youtube, or even a PAID PLATFORM (which people would gladly use), but of course for the senile geriatric f*** wads in suits that call the shots, that's tooooo much to ask for. They care more about other countries bastardizing their own show for a high price. Politics have ruined Sasuke. You would THINK that it'd be easy to release every (Rising on) tournament with EVERY run, the footage exists. But it's very clear these corporate bastards only care about ratings. God I hate this s***.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jul 4, 2016 13:43:28 GMT -5
I posted a link in the Ratings thread that Inui posted. Seems the viewers thing how the show was edited was a travesty. Imbalance towards the American show (not competitors). Disrespect to Nagano and the All-Stars. Elimination/Digest/Marginalization of the furthest Japanese man on the course (Sato Jun). Extreme imbalance towards the celebrity component of the show to the detriment of cutting runs of other worthy fan favorites. The state of Japanese women in Japan compared to America. The main arguments were not towards competitors per se but HOW the show was edited and marketed to the Japanese audience. to them the focus is biasly shifted to the foreign markets instead of domestic. That's the nutshell. 2ch lit up something fierce and their solution is the pull the plug now that Sasuke has hit rock bottom and it is obvious their focus is the foreign market. Hell they even posted on the rarely used Facebook pages, every social media like twitter, blogs, etc. and even made videos online about it. All of this was done while I was making a video on my own views on wtf is going on in Japan. I didn't even know until I was uploading the video early this morning. ... Discuss. Holy hell this sucks but I'm gonna try to not take a pessimistic outlook. Don't we already have 33 confirmed? If so it isn't too late. There have been outcries before, but none this serious. Inui could be forced to step up his game and get back on track for next year if it has...
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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 4, 2016 13:44:25 GMT -5
For the purposes of conversation, I'm going to put out some questions. I realize this is going to be shot down with nuclear missiles but these are some things I want people to think about.
1. Let's take away Tsukada, Can, Darvish, etc. away from SASUKE. Compare the focus of advertisements from 32 (10.9%) to, say, 28 (9.3%). Would the ratings have been anywhere near 10.9% if all the focus of the advertising was on Nagano and Yuuji? (Remember, they couldn't advertise their defending champion.) Would we even still have SASUKE if not for the celebrity focus because of how on-the-ropes SASUKE was? Similarly, could this directive be coming from TBS and not from Inui? 2. Since SASUKE got rebooted in 2011, we've had spinoffs in the UK, Malaysia, Singapore, Sweden, Indonesia, Turkey, Bahrain, and Vietnam, and France and Germany will be getting spinoffs in the next year. These bring in quite a bit of money to TBS. Would you give all of these spinoffs up, denying both the international expansion of SASUKE and the revenue that it brings in (that in large part is keeping SASUKE afloat) in order to make SASUKE better in the eyes of the hardcore fan? 3. Let's say the backlash against the editing is strong enough and Inui gets fired as director. Would we trust someone random from TBS to run the show the way we want it to be run? Before answering "anyone is better than Inui", bear in mind that the ANW staff got wiped clean and the minimal veteran presence that has been displayed.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 4, 2016 13:46:34 GMT -5
The flow of stage 1's editing was kind of awkward but it didn't seem like a higher celeb imbalance compared to usual, I can definitely see where they're coming from about Sato Jun getting a triple fast forward despite being the best Japanese result. Hell it's tied for 2nd place and a top 3 result of the whole tournament, I can understand giving a full run to Brent since he's the first to attempt, but why did Sato Jun tie for 2nd in the whole tournament and get fast forwarded every single stage, hell why couldn't they show him and fast forward the teacher guy? show some respect to someone with a history on the show finally breaking through to the third stage that has eluded him for so long and having a 2nd best run of the whole tournament...
I'm not quite sure what they mean about focusing too much on the American show and not just the competitors, I assume that's in regards to how people like Hioki and Ryo got ANW USA vs The World footage heavily featured since I saw that more as presenting them as ambassadors to the show (Let's not even get into the whole debate about how NBC ran the events, we're just talking the presentation of it in Sasuke) but at the same time I can see where they're coming from
I'm not going to be one of those blindly hating on Inui since we wouldn't have the show without him but I definitely think a very good point was raised in regards to the treatment of Female competitors... I honestly don't even remember seeing a female competitor on the main broadcast except from that one SKE48 member and she was barely mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised of her being a celeb is the only reason she made it onto the main show, the rest who were shown were relegated to the Navi, which only airs in the Kanto region, including Kacy who made it to the Lumberjack Climb... something only 14 people TOTAL afaik made it to... a tied for 9th place of the whole tournament getting pushed to a limited preshow is ridiculous especially a historical run. Also it seems like the majority of the female competitors who get invited are Gravure idols, who Inui usually gives the offensive jiggle noises... I'm highly worried regarding Inui in that regard...
Also the Nagano Celebration definitely should have been immediately after, yes they showed it during the credits but they could have easily shown that right away after while wrappign up stage 1...
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Post by Philip on Jul 4, 2016 13:46:52 GMT -5
For the purposes of conversation, I'm going to put out some questions. I realize this is going to be shot down with nuclear missiles but these are some things I want people to think about. 1. Let's take away Tsukada, Can, Darvish, etc. away from SASUKE. Compare the focus of advertisements from 32 (10.9%) to, say, 28 (9.3%). Would the ratings have been anywhere near 10.9% if all the focus of the advertising was on Nagano and Yuuji? (Remember, they couldn't advertise their defending champion.) Would we even still have SASUKE if not for the celebrity focus because of how on-the-ropes SASUKE was? Similarly, could this directive be coming from TBS and not from Inui? 2. Since SASUKE got rebooted in 2011, we've had spinoffs in the UK, Malaysia, Singapore, Sweden, Indonesia, Turkey, Bahrain, and Vietnam, and France and Germany will be getting spinoffs in the next year. These bring in quite a bit of money to TBS. Would you give all of these spinoffs up, denying both the international expansion of SASUKE and the revenue that it brings in (that in large part is keeping SASUKE afloat) in order to make SASUKE better in the eyes of the hardcore fan? 3. Let's say the backlash against the editing is strong enough and Inui gets fired as director. Would we trust someone random from TBS to run the show the way we want it to be run? Before answering "anyone is better than Inui", bear in mind that the ANW staff got wiped clean and the minimal veteran presence that has been displayed. You make some good points. However, it's clear that no matter how much money TBS makes from the spinoffs, they only give scraps to Inui's team.
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Post by chackpop10 on Jul 4, 2016 13:48:51 GMT -5
With how small the field Post First Stage was, the editing could have been so much better. Speeding through the first eighty runs, the last 20 runs took forever. Honestly, with the final results, Yusuke Suzuki should have been given the triple FF, while Sato Jun should have received considerable airtime. No offense to Yusuke, he did exceptional but Sato Jun was the Japanese best this time around and he may have received 30 seconds of airtime.
Brent kind of had to be shown a lot considering he was the first to clear Stage One and attempt Two and Three. Remember Paul in SASUKE 26?
But I mean, only four Japanese beat the First Stage so not much footage was even available for them. The Japanese didn't perform that well. My only real beef is that Sato Jun wasn't portrayed at all.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 4, 2016 13:54:30 GMT -5
For the purposes of conversation, I'm going to put out some questions. I realize this is going to be shot down with nuclear missiles but these are some things I want people to think about. 1. Let's take away Tsukada, Can, Darvish, etc. away from SASUKE. Compare the focus of advertisements from 32 (10.9%) to, say, 28 (9.3%). Would the ratings have been anywhere near 10.9% if all the focus of the advertising was on Nagano and Yuuji? (Remember, they couldn't advertise their defending champion.) Would we even still have SASUKE if not for the celebrity focus because of how on-the-ropes SASUKE was? Similarly, could this directive be coming from TBS and not from Inui? 2. Since SASUKE got rebooted in 2011, we've had spinoffs in the UK, Malaysia, Singapore, Sweden, Indonesia, Turkey, Bahrain, and Vietnam, and France and Germany will be getting spinoffs in the next year. These bring in quite a bit of money to TBS. Would you give all of these spinoffs up, denying both the international expansion of SASUKE and the revenue that it brings in (that in large part is keeping SASUKE afloat) in order to make SASUKE better in the eyes of the hardcore fan? 3. Let's say the backlash against the editing is strong enough and Inui gets fired as director. Would we trust someone random from TBS to run the show the way we want it to be run? Before answering "anyone is better than Inui", bear in mind that the ANW staff got wiped clean and the minimal veteran presence that has been displayed. This. Please guys, chill out a little bit. The criticism has been heard, going forward can we please give it succinctly instead of just saying how something or someone was handled was a "travesty"? I personally think that the spinoffs SASUKE has created has ultimately done more good than bad for the spirit of SASUKE worldwide. As for what has happened to ANW, I wouldn't flatter ourselves to say that audience feedback was responsible for its slide toward complete reality TV (it's more likely the directives are coming from corporate overlords) but I do think it contributed somewhat, because many of the audience members are the competitors themselves and that affects their behavior as participants in the show. Say what you will about the editing of SASUKE 32, but I do not think that it was a soul-less broadcast. There was plenty of camaraderie on display. It also happened that there were a number of foreigners who were successful. Thank your lucky stars they were all among the nicest people you could get. Very classy interviews from the Americans after clearing and failing, btw.
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Post by Kowai Yume on Jul 4, 2016 13:54:48 GMT -5
I'll take back my salt statements from earlier. I can see where they're coming from, they want their national pride and there was no excuse not to show off the top JPN competitors since it was 5/8 domestic. They want to see that.
I don't think Nagano's farewell should have been after his run, it should have been before his run or at the end.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 4, 2016 14:00:51 GMT -5
As for Sato Jun, let's be real guys, it's been like 6 years since he last competed and was given airtime. And it's not like he was one of the 5 who made it to the UCH that year. Only the hardcore fans were going to remember who he was and the teacher better embodies the 'everyman' narrative this show was built on. Next year (if there even is a next one) I'm sure he'll get more love, given he has a good run.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jul 4, 2016 14:03:24 GMT -5
I'll take back my salt statements from earlier. I can see where they're coming from, they want their national pride and there was no excuse not to show off the top JPN competitors since it was 5/8 domestic. They want to see that. I don't think Nagano's farewell should have been after his run, it should have been before his run or at the end. It was 4/8 domestic and Nagano's farewell happened after his run, why would it be shown before?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 4, 2016 14:03:33 GMT -5
Don't we already have 33 confirmed? If so it isn't too late. You don't realize how TV works do you? Shows get greenlit and canceled all the time... Hell shows can be in production and still get axed and Sasuke isn't even in production yet so don't be so sure "33 is confirmed we're fine" at this point, especially if the outrage is so big
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Post by Kowai Yume on Jul 4, 2016 14:08:38 GMT -5
Because I'm an idiot.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jul 4, 2016 14:33:48 GMT -5
Don't we already have 33 confirmed? If so it isn't too late. You don't realize how TV works do you? Shows get greenlit and canceled all the time... Hell shows can be in production and still get axed and Sasuke isn't even in production yet so don't be so sure "33 is confirmed we're fine" at this point, especially if the outrage is so big You misinterpreted my post. I meant to say that if in all likelihood we ARE getting 33, the outrage could help them to make it better and fix many of the issues here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 14:55:15 GMT -5
In my opinion having the whole competition in 3-4 hours doesn't work because not everyone will be shown...
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