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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 8, 2016 10:19:36 GMT -5
Never mind like was mentioned there were spacers pre-20 even if they weren't as large (and some were decent sized), they now have to lift the walls while soaking wet. Since the spacers appear to be gone, I'm inclined to think along Rider's theory that they've become counterweighted since I see the wires as well and they certainly weren't there last tournament. They got rid of the pad for the first wall now that the competitors don't slide into them anymore with the Conveyor Belt's return. And it was common knowledge here that the budget for this tournament was slashed from last year's. 18-style renewals just aren't gonna happen unless TBS decides the show is worth more than they think it is. Setting self up for disappointment with that. Sasuke 5 had just 4 new obstacles and 2 modified obstacles and that was a killer course in terms of eliminating the field. You're right. And tournament 5 was around the "golden age" of ratings for Sasuke. It shows less is sometimes more.
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Post by wolf4537 on Jun 8, 2016 11:19:56 GMT -5
1. Cross Slider 2. Salmon Ladder Nobori 3. Salmon Ladder Kudari 4. Spider Walk 5. Spider Drop 6. Backstream 7. Reverse Conveyor Belt 8. Wall Lifting I imagine the stage is back to 120 seconds adding an extra obstacle. Depends on the speed of the conveyor. I think that having the reverse conveyor belt after the backstream is DEFINITELY gonna be interesting. A lot of slipping and sliding will happen on there if you ask me. And as far as electricity goes, yeah isn't that kinda a bit dangerous?
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Post by higeboshi on Jun 8, 2016 11:50:57 GMT -5
And as far as electricity goes, yeah isn't that kinda a bit dangerous? The mechanisms that transfer the motion from the motors to the conveyor belt could be feet/yards away.
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Post by TCM on Jun 8, 2016 12:46:05 GMT -5
1. Cross Slider 2. Salmon Ladder Nobori 3. Salmon Ladder Kudari 4. Spider Walk 5. Spider Drop 6. Backstream 7. Reverse Conveyor Belt 8. Wall Lifting I imagine the stage is back to 120 seconds adding an extra obstacle. Depends on the speed of the conveyor. I think that having the reverse conveyor belt after the backstream is DEFINITELY gonna be interesting. A lot of slipping and sliding will happen on there if you ask me. And as far as electricity goes, yeah isn't that kinda a bit dangerous? I personally really like that the conveyor is back considering one of my favorite shots is the zoomed camera angle where the contestants are frantically crawling as the timer reaches near end. As for electricity, as long as it doesn't rain and force a Sasuk e 8 issue where the conveyor belt doesn't move, it should be fine so long as what actually causes the motor to run isn't exposed to water. It got through Health & Safety after all and this is the group who thought the original Salmon Ladder brought people too high in the air.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 8, 2016 14:36:43 GMT -5
Plot twist: To make up for budget constraints, Inui WANTS people to get shocked on it. That is the new obstacle.
EDIT: Sorry for the spam...
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Post by skythenewark on Jun 8, 2016 15:44:41 GMT -5
I kinda love the fact the conveyer is back, so basically, you got the second half that can be a killer mess on your arms especially, but I still can't shake the fact that this stage 2 is basically anything different from last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 16:18:02 GMT -5
They should've brought back the original Salmon Ladder. Original and best.
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Post by TCM on Jun 8, 2016 16:22:57 GMT -5
28: 3/5 29: 4/21 30: 9/26 31: 8/17 Overall: 24/69
For a stage with minimal changes, having only 35% clear it in its lifetime isn't bad.
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 8, 2016 16:47:30 GMT -5
28: 3/5 29: 4/21 30: 9/26 31: 8/17 Overall: 24/69 For a stage with minimal changes, having only 35% clear it in its lifetime isn't bad. Well the time limit did go down by 45 seconds, I wouldn't call that a minimal change People usually failed due to the time/dodgy obstacle design (SSL, Killer Backstream etc) rather than the obstacles being hard
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Post by TCM on Jun 8, 2016 18:21:58 GMT -5
28: 3/5 29: 4/21 30: 9/26 31: 8/17 Overall: 24/69 For a stage with minimal changes, having only 35% clear it in its lifetime isn't bad. Well the time limit did go down by 45 seconds, I wouldn't call that a minimal change People usually failed due to the time/dodgy obstacle design (SSL, Killer Backstream etc) rather than the obstacles being hard Timing out is a legitimate way to fail though. Strict time limits are a point of strategy and the SSL is a matter of opinion. It's a prevalent one, but the only time the SSL rule was improperly used was during Kong's run when the obstacle glitched but they still called him out. That's more on the judges. My minimal change comment was about obstacle replacement.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 8, 2016 21:50:40 GMT -5
The move from weeks later (as a reference point.. the tournament was originally this weekend coming up..) killed potential major changes to the 2nd stage.
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 8, 2016 21:53:16 GMT -5
Considering the fact that Stage 2 has generally been intended to be a speed-based stage with a fairly strict time limit, time outs on that stage are to be expected rather often. I say "generally" because the time period in which most of us were introduced to SASUKE (between tournaments 18 and 27) was arguably the only time when this concept didn't really apply to Stage 2 (IIRC there were only two time out failures in Stage 2 during the span of those ten tournaments, mostly due to the unpredictable nature of how much time "killer" obstacles like the Salmon Ladder were expected to take to complete). Long story short, I kind of feel that Inui is trying to bring back the vibe of what Stage 2 was originally meant to serve as: a stage that's less about a few "killer" obstacles, but more about being overall taxing on competitors in conjunction with how fast they can get through the stage without making a mistake.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 8, 2016 22:20:17 GMT -5
Everyone is really making way too big of a deal about this Backstream -> Gyakso Conveyor thing, looking at the pic looks like there are wires coming out from the corner between the Conveyor and Walls which also happens to be boxed off, I think the motors are hidden over there, also on top of that there could also be gears or pulleys, either way that motor and the wires leading up to it are hidden beneath a platform that isn't going to have water dripping on it...
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Post by arsenette on Jun 8, 2016 22:31:54 GMT -5
Wha.. you won't want an ELECTRIFYING 2nd Stage? LOL
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Post by SolitudeSeeker. on Jun 8, 2016 22:37:42 GMT -5
Plot twist: To make up for budget constraints, Inui WANTS people to get shocked on it. That is the new obstacle. EDIT: Sorry for the spam... I'm going to keep all of it off of this thread, however, because I just need to people to understand I was misunderstanding. I don't really know what your meaning by that, but I'm actually trying to understand.
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Post by kcodd on Jun 8, 2016 22:39:10 GMT -5
is there any news on the stage 3 obstacles unless arsenette can tell us what they are
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Post by arsenette on Jun 8, 2016 22:43:07 GMT -5
is there any news on the stage 3 obstacles unless arsenette can tell us what they are I would love to but I can't.. For now look in the background in photos that exist. I'm sure as the days go on Inui will post them himself. He has been really good in doing that. He has an embargo date as well so as commercials and interviews are posted some will most likely show some footage. Possibly even announcements about the 3rd stage changes. They won't come from me though..
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Post by TCM on Jun 8, 2016 22:46:26 GMT -5
Everyone is really making way too big of a deal about this Backstream -> Gyakso Conveyor thing, looking at the pic looks like there are wires coming out from the corner between the Conveyor and Walls which also happens to be boxed off, I think the motors are hidden over there, also on top of that there could also be gears or pulleys, either way that motor and the wires leading up to it are hidden beneath a platform that isn't going to have water dripping on it... Not to mention, we HAVE a picture of it being done with said person inside it visibly dripping with water. It's almost like these obstacles are tested beforehand or something. Wha.. you won't want an ELECTRIFYING 2nd Stage? LOL Not until we get man-eating sharks with freaking laser beams on their heads. But I would take a Tesla coil at the start of the stage. Considering the fact that Stage 2 has generally been intended to be a speed-based stage with a fairly strict time limit, time outs on that stage are to be expected rather often. I say "generally" because the time period in which most of us were introduced to SASUKE (between tournaments 18 and 27) was arguably the only time when this concept didn't really apply to Stage 2 (IIRC there were only two time out failures in Stage 2 during the span of those ten tournaments, mostly due to the unpredictable nature of how much time "killer" obstacles like the Salmon Ladder were expected to take to complete). Long story short, I kind of feel that Inui is trying to bring back the vibe of what Stage 2 was originally meant to serve as: a stage that's less about a few "killer" obstacles, but more about being overall taxing on competitors in conjunction with how fast they can get through the stage without making a mistake. I agree. There were I believe 25(?) time outs over the last three tournaments. 29 inflated that, but still, that Stage 2 turned a 21 clear Stage 1 into a 4 mostly from time outs. And all of those clears had 5 seconds or less on the clock. Unless they overcompensate for the Gyakuso Conveyor, I expect some close calls and near misses.
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 8, 2016 23:25:22 GMT -5
From someone watching the broadcasts, it's probably also a lot more exciting to see close calls rather than "30 seconds left at the walls, definite clear" moments like we did throughout most of Shin-SASUKE. It might be a stretch in saying this, but if played/edited right I could see moments like these being enough to draw more viewers in more often (or, at the very least, not negatively affect ratings). By the way, in terms of Stage 3 obstacles, we all know what everyone wants to see.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 8, 2016 23:33:07 GMT -5
I'm finally looking at the photos on my computer and blowing them up to see how big they really are.. and I noticed friggin' spikes or shark teeth under Yoshida's Conveyor pic..
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