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Post by mesa3for4 on Feb 19, 2015 0:16:04 GMT -5
So disappointed no grandpa ninja. I can't believe they left you out your one of the popular ones
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Post by gdubb on Feb 19, 2015 13:02:28 GMT -5
Does anybody know what the previous years walk-on lines were like? Didn't get a call but still wanted to try to get on. I don't think I can afford to take a week off from work to wait in line though (which I think several walk-ons from last year's competition did). Could I realistically have a chance to walk-on if I began lining up a day or two before?
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Post by grandpaninja on Feb 19, 2015 14:35:14 GMT -5
Does anybody know what the previous years walk-on lines were like? Didn't get a call but still wanted to try to get on. I don't think I can afford to take a week off from work to wait in line though (which I think several walk-ons from last year's competition did). Could I realistically have a chance to walk-on if I began lining up a day or two before? All cities last year had walk on lines at lease 4-5 days ahead of time and I think this year will be worse. So don't wast yor time for a day or two before. |
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Post by grandpaninja on Feb 19, 2015 14:35:40 GMT -5
So disappointed no grandpa ninja. I can't believe they left you out your one of the popular ones Thanks Joseph |
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Post by gt4dom on Feb 19, 2015 19:51:58 GMT -5
The problem is as ANW gets more popular more casual fans will try it out hoping to become successful like Kacy or just to simply get on TV which limits the amount of places for us hardcore fans, which really does suck as I can guarantee this year a lot of competitors will have no interest in the history or spirit of SASUKE, they just want to be on TV to get exposure or to win the money (even though they have no chance with crappy course design/testing/EVERYTHING!!!) which really does suck and is one of the drawbacks of ANW getting so popular  |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 19, 2015 20:09:54 GMT -5
The problem is as ANW gets more popular more casual fans will try it out hoping to become successful like Kacy or just to simply get on TV which limits the amount of places for us hardcore fans, which really does suck as I can guarantee this year a lot of competitors will have no interest in the history or spirit of SASUKE, they just want to be on TV to get exposure or to win the money (even though they have no chance with crappy course design/testing/EVERYTHING!!!) which really does suck and is one of the drawbacks of ANW getting so popular Agreed. The dangling pricetag for winning doesn't help either. I remember hearing back in December that they had something 30,000 registration notifications (where you signed up to be notified when applications were being taken). So yeah.. it's bigger every year and because the course seems accessible (where anyone watching has the notion they can beat it) you have literally everyone signing up for it. NBC has always been interested in unique characters (even if we don't like them) and could care less about loyalty. Sucks for those of you who have been at it for years and made the show as popular as it is. |
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Post by Badalight on Feb 20, 2015 1:16:36 GMT -5
Ahh, the days when ANW was lucky to get 5,000 applicants and you just had to hit an interesting niche to get in.
Though I still question how I got into ANW5 with over 10,000 video applications.
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Post by evan on Feb 21, 2015 16:19:48 GMT -5
So we are talking about 100 spots per region plus 10-20 walk-ons, right? And how many applicants? 20-30K and increasing every year? Perhaps if I apply every year for the next 15-20 years I might be lucky enough one day to compete.
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Post by evan on Feb 21, 2015 17:08:14 GMT -5
The problem is as ANW gets more popular more casual fans will try it out hoping to become successful like Kacy or just to simply get on TV which limits the amount of places for us hardcore fans, That's a fair point, but one could also argue that is not a problem as hardcore fans (veterans?) have had chances to try the course but couldn't finish it. I would replace "hardcore fans" with good obstacle course athletes or people who have the capacity to complete the course. |
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Post by Oti on Feb 21, 2015 20:23:17 GMT -5
I was actually thinking about that the other day. If somebody's attempted the course every year for 5+ years already and they've shown little to no significant improvement, they're probably not going to show a huge improvement around year 7/8/whatever. But that's assuming ANW is a serious athletic competition, which it is not.
I personally feel it's a bad decision to leave out Grandpa Ninja. He fills several important demographics that help round out ANW. If I just wanted to see young, shirtless dudebros with big arms and chicken legs, I'd watch Jersey Shore for a few hours. Or BroscienceLife on Youtube.
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Post by vaughngk on Feb 21, 2015 22:36:57 GMT -5
I too feel bad for bad grandpa ninja not getting a call back but the show figured there are other people that fill that show demographic who were more sucussful on the last season. Also while the show is not a serious competion there are a lot of people that train seriously for it. And there is some serious money for those that can beat it.
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Post by evan on Feb 22, 2015 1:19:01 GMT -5
If somebody's attempted the course every year for 5+ years already and they've shown little to no significant improvement, they're probably not going to show a huge improvement around year 7/8/whatever. I see what you are saying but I think it depends on many things. Also, it seems to me that how one does on the course is not always a good indicator of let's say skill/strength improvement. For example, I think it's reasonable to say that Brian Arnold was stronger last year than the year before even though he didn't go as far last year. We can also say that based on previous seasons it is less likely for a first time competitor to go the furthest vs. a veteran. Nevertheless, my main point was that at least the veterans had a chance to compete. |
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Post by evan on Feb 22, 2015 1:23:25 GMT -5
Also while show is not a serious competion there are a lot of people that train seriously for it. That's an interesting point. In my mind ANW is well established as a serious competition. What makes a competition more/ less serious? |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 22, 2015 1:43:29 GMT -5
IMO though that's the critical difference between ANW and Sasuke. Sasuke's field is notoriously short BECAUSE they choose to focus on certain people. ANW is vastly different where you have 600+ competitors all intermixed and outside of the hardcore that look for these people, NBC could care less about their history. That is evident by the casting choices in the past few years. What "we" consider vets they don't. This isn't the first year where they cut "vets" so unfortunately it doesn't surprise me. NBC is focused on the spectacle and the course while TBS is focused on the competitor's growth (or lack thereof). It's all about "tone" and they are vastly different.
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Post by Oti on Feb 22, 2015 3:05:17 GMT -5
Well yeah, not every competitor has to do perfectly every single time. I'm talking about a consistent trend over time, year after year. After a certain amount of seasons and attempts, it just becomes safe to assume that person isn't going to pull a Total Victory out of nowhere. I also wouldn't say I necessarily agree with the n00b vs. veteran thing, just because a total n00b may be more athletic than even some of the favorite veterans out there (see Levi in Sasuke 20 for example). But this definitely depends on a lot of factors.
I know some people train seriously for the show, but that doesn't negate my point. Evan, the difference is that, like Arsenette said, NBC is focused on entertainment, not finding the 100 most athletic people in the country.
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Post by evan on Feb 22, 2015 13:13:17 GMT -5
To be honest I don't know what Sasuke focuses on but it looks pretty entertaining to me. I would imagine they also care about the entertainment aspect of the competition as it's also a popular show on tv. After all, they need to make money for the show to exist, right? It seems that we are arguing more about the selection process of competitors. I also do understand the NBC casting people. First of all, if they accepted all the vets from previous years then there would be no spots for new competitors that have the ability to achieve total victory (btw and imo there is a large difference between having the ability and actually doing it). Then also, if a previous 1-2 time competitor did not make it to Las Vegas finals then it is justifiable to let someone else run the course instead. I could be wrong, but I thought that one of their priorities was to get people from different demographics that represent different things, such as culture, sports, education. Perhaps they break down the 100 spots as such and choose contestants this way. For example, if you are male between 25-35 with background in rock climbing then you are competing with others alike for 10 spots. Just sharing some thoughts.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Feb 22, 2015 13:22:50 GMT -5
In TV Nation, it's all about the $$$$$. This is the sad fact that people need to understand about ANW. The goal with these types of shows is to get people to watch the ads. It sounds weird but seriously, this is what people in the industry are telling students in film school. Yes, ANW is competing against other shows, and NBC is not the juggernaut CBS is, but mostly what they care about is that you are invested in the competitors JUST ENOUGH so that you'll sit through the commercial break, see ads for their crime procedurals, comedies and dramas that air on other weeknights so they can keep up with the other networks during the entire week, not just that one night. I think if you really boil it down, this is the purpose ANW serves for NBC. So they're really NOT looking for competitors who are 'in it to win it'. The guys who actually have a shot who are generic obstacle course gym owners are not the main attraction. The only purpose they serve and the only reason they even get cast at all at this point, honestly, is because there is still ONE episode in the season where a competitor MAY OR MAY NOT come close to winning and the actual prize MAY literally be at stake, but no network would be foolish enough to assume so in the first place so as you can see the casting emphasis is not on those types any longer. But that's the only thing separating this show from Wipeout at this point (and trust me, I ADORE this show and hope they keep it on the air). I'm just trying to explain it the way the industry sees it from the little experience I have. They are looking for new story lines, i.e. the next Kacy that will suck viewers in during every single episode, glue them onto their couches, so they will want to watch whatever other shows are on NBC and NOT The Good Wife, Elementary, Person of Interest, etc. etc. etc.
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Post by evan on Feb 22, 2015 13:29:15 GMT -5
For example, if you are male between 25-35 with background in rock climbing then you are competing with others alike for 10 spots. Just sharing some thoughts. To add to this thought, if true and let's say you are an average climber from Colorado first time trying to compete, then you have to be very lucky to get selected as you are competing against the 'Wolf pack' guys and couple of other vets who are climbers for a spot. This process sucks but it makes sense if you think about it. Imagine if they let all the climbers compete. Ninja warrior would turn into a competition amongst climbers. |
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Post by evan on Feb 22, 2015 13:58:16 GMT -5
In TV Nation, it's all about the $$$$$. This is the sad fact that people need to understand about ANW. The goal with these types of shows is to get people to watch the ads. It sounds weird but seriously, this is what people in the industry are telling students in film school. If this is sad or not depends on perspective. My guess is that most people selected to compete are not sad about it. IMO the mentality is more like: If getting people to watch adds gives me an opportunity to compete at national level and a chance to win 500K, then be it. |
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Post by evan on Feb 22, 2015 14:03:50 GMT -5
In TV Nation, it's all about the $$$$$. This is the sad fact that people need to understand about ANW. The goal with these types of shows is to get people to watch the ads. It sounds weird but seriously, this is what people in the industry are telling students in film school. Moreover and if this is true, then it also ties well to the selection process of competitors. You can get more people to watch the show and therefore the tv adds if their demographic/background is represented. |
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