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Post by arsenette on Sept 28, 2010 15:54:00 GMT -5
So is there any chance that TBS would barter with Golden Sun in order to get them back, being their 3rd biggest customer for the product? Or has that bridge been burned already? Unclear at this point. Anything is theoretically possible but highly unlikely given that Golden Sun has practically no history with TBS. Unless TBS wanted to keep that market that's basically the only way. Though at this point if they already gave notice to Lee that would mean they exhausted all avenues of negotiation with TBS. One would think. (And yes THIS is pure speculation)
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Post by quasikoz on Sept 29, 2010 20:52:07 GMT -5
Another dumb question: Wouldn't the 5 :30 min G4 episodes sell for cheaper or does TBS charge the same regardless?
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Post by TCM on Sept 29, 2010 21:24:13 GMT -5
Considering the only other country who aired the full episode as-is besides Japan doesn't anymore and every other country uses the 30 min cuts, they have to be cheaper and/or you get more for your money. But I don't even think that many have anything after 20-21.
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Post by lostinube on Sept 30, 2010 8:52:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure about how many episodes each NW is but the most current online TBS Program catalog has 115 episodes.
The full shows are 28 episodes of SASUKE and KUNOICHI which would probably mean 21 SASUKEs and 7 KUNOICHIS and that nothing after 2008 is included in the package. This might also be the case with the Ninja Warrior episodes.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 30, 2010 9:05:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure about how many episodes each NW is but the most current online TBS Program catalog has 115 episodes. The full shows are 28 episodes of SASUKE and KUNOICHI which would probably mean 21 SASUKEs and 7 KUNOICHIS and that nothing after 2008 is included in the package. This might also be the case with the Ninja Warrior episodes. Could also mean because of G4's horrendous delay in editing the shows. 23 was shown 7 month later.. and so on and so on.
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Post by supersheep on Sept 30, 2010 11:22:11 GMT -5
Somewhat off topic...
But I remember at one point someone mentioned that Taiwan had still not seen 25, is this still the case, and if so, is it permanent? If so we'll have another country relying on us and they wont even speak our language. Good think we have a couple Chinese speakers here.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 30, 2010 11:34:42 GMT -5
Somewhat off topic... But I remember at one point someone mentioned that Taiwan had still not seen 25, is this still the case, and if so, is it permanent? If so we'll have another country relying on us and they wont even speak our language. Good think we have a couple Chinese speakers here. It's not off-topic. That is what Lee said. Golden Sun refused to pay the high price of Sasuke 25. That's why they let go of the license and canceled Trials. 26 obviously is an extension though at this point it hasn't even been taped so it's not like it's on the market for sale.
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Post by jfeathe on Sept 30, 2010 12:32:12 GMT -5
What I can't wrap my head around is why TBS is charging exorbitant prices for the rights to air Sasuke. Since the demand for Sasuke is apparently small to begin with, why are they alienating one of their potentially biggest markets with such a impossibly high selling cost? And now for some basic math:
1 sale at $1,000,000 < 3 sales at $500,000.
My only answer for this is that Sasuke is not doing as bad as we are thinking. If they are as desperate as we think, they surely would have cut Golden Sun a deal. Unless the costs of selling Sasuke are sky high and they really make very little profit from sales, (I would have thought it would be close to nothing), they is no reason not to cut this new channel a little slack.
But the truth is, they didn't cut Golden Sun any slack. We don't know the details, but you can guess that TBS wasn't budging on the price for Sasuke 25. Unless TBS is being stupid and cocky and their business model is out of whack, they have good reason to charge what they're charging.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 12:33:46 GMT -5
I'm surprised G4 payed all that money. Obviously they still get a proifit despite it being so damn high. It shows how well Ninja Warrior does here in the states.
Sucks it's not the case in Taiwan.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 30, 2010 13:36:56 GMT -5
Well one thing is for sure.. no one else is buying BUT G4 and the only reason G4 does it is because it gives ANW clout. All they need is a couple good seasons tied to Sasuke and they can cut loose and do wtf they want. As far as G4 is concerned they get a lot from Sasuke and worth the investment. No one else has the sweet deal TBS has given G4 so there's no reason to up the money up front for something that will give them nothing in return. As far as most markets are concerned.. the rest of the NW's they haven't bought are G4 heavy and have nothing to do with Sasuke as they remember it.
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Post by jfeathe on Sept 30, 2010 14:08:46 GMT -5
Well one thing is for sure.. no one else is buying BUT G4 and the only reason G4 does it is because it gives ANW clout. All they need is a couple good seasons tied to Sasuke and they can cut loose and do wtf they want. As far as G4 is concerned they get a lot from Sasuke and worth the investment. No one else has the sweet deal TBS has given G4 so there's no reason to up the money up front for something that will give them nothing in return. As far as most markets are concerned.. the rest of the NW's they haven't bought are G4 heavy and have nothing to do with Sasuke as they remember it. This is not meant as an attack, but simply as a question: Why are you thinking that the only reason G4 wants Sasuke is for ANW? The reason I ask is because I really don't think that is G4's goal. When they purchased the rights in 2006, I honestly believe they had no intention of creating their own show. I've always viewed ANC/ANW as an extension of Ninja Warrior- never as a replacement.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 30, 2010 15:28:38 GMT -5
No offense intended. Just as time went on they realized they can make more money and get more people (of those they want) to watch ANW instead. All the advertising money they are getting is for ANW and not NW. When 23 rolled around and they had no intention of showing 23... it became apparent that their focus drastically shifted. It wasn't until the fanbase rebelled big time that they decided to show it.. without the results of the previously held ANW in the actual broadcast.. Since then they didn't have someone in 24 and then 25 they only had 3. When 26 comes out I'm curious if they are going to repeat the Sasuke 23/ANW formula.. that should be telling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 18:35:45 GMT -5
Well one thing is for sure.. no one else is buying BUT G4 and the only reason G4 does it is because it gives ANW clout. All they need is a couple good seasons tied to Sasuke and they can cut loose and do wtf they want. As far as G4 is concerned they get a lot from Sasuke and worth the investment. No one else has the sweet deal TBS has given G4 so there's no reason to up the money up front for something that will give them nothing in return. As far as most markets are concerned.. the rest of the NW's they haven't bought are G4 heavy and have nothing to do with Sasuke as they remember it. I really don't understand why you think this. ANW replays on G4 once... in 2 months maybe. NW still plays everyday. They're not going to cut lost NW, even IF ANW makes loads more money. NW is still an investment worth it for G4, I don't see that going away.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 30, 2010 19:28:17 GMT -5
Very simple. ANW is a G4 production and that speaks volumes towards the new image they are portraying to investors as producers of successful shows. ANW is the ONLY thing that investors are looking into. NW however many times it's played does nothing to the bottom line. That's already paid for. ANW is the product they are hawking because that's something they "made" themselves and are showing as a portfolio for other projects in the future. Anyway this is way off topic and feel free to discuss that in another thread. This is about Taiwan and unless something else changes it's pretty much the end for them.
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Post by awee1975 on Oct 1, 2010 6:48:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised G4 payed all that money. Obviously they still get a proifit despite it being so damn high. It shows how well Ninja Warrior does here in the states. Sucks it's not the case in Taiwan. I am 'speculating' but i suggest that 1 of the reasons could be market size. Taiwan has a population of 23 million people. No offence to Taiwanese but the Taiwanese market ( at least in the past ) are usually very receptive to Japanese culture. Other nations may not be as "receptive" or their market size are even smaller. The US market size ( the 'numbers' ) is way larger than most others ( i believe only China & India are larger in population but they are not usually receptive to Japanese shows ). With a bigger market, the costs are bigger but the possible returns on investment are also much much larger.
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Post by lars072 on Oct 1, 2010 9:34:02 GMT -5
[/quote]No offence to Taiwanese but the Taiwanese market ( at least in the past ) are usually very receptive to Japanese culture.[/quote]
This is a valid point awee. You see a lot of Japanese culture here in different ways. Many Taiwanese (more middle and younger aged) love Japanese culture and you see it every day in music, dress, hairstyle, kids' toys etc. And I think that is one reason why SASUKE is quite popular here...was popular. People would be very receptive to SASUKE coming back again although a miracle is needed.
People here love to protest - just about anything really no matter how important or bizarre. Maybe someone should organize a SASUKE protest march. Hey I'd join! ;D
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Post by arsenette on Oct 1, 2010 9:49:57 GMT -5
This is a valid point awee. You see a lot of Japanese culture here in different ways. Many Taiwanese (more middle and younger aged) love Japanese culture and you see it every day in music, dress, hairstyle, kids' toys etc. And I think that is one reason why SASUKE is quite popular here...was popular. People would be very receptive to SASUKE coming back again although a miracle is needed. People here love to protest - just about anything really no matter how important or bizarre. Maybe someone should organize a SASUKE protest march. Hey I'd join! ;D I would venture that a lot just don't know. If you didn't ask Lee we wouldn't have found out. After I posted my blog there were a lot of the usual suspects hitting my site but no posts were written past that. Usually they cut and paste right into their blogs and forums. Maybe they are trying to do the research themselves? Or organizing as we speak! LOL
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Post by r3dcomet on Oct 5, 2010 9:15:58 GMT -5
What a sad ending to this. It's a shame M9 and TBS overplayed their hand with Sasuke. I really think Taiwan would've been a great place to get more exposure if marketed correctly especially with Japan's seeming loss of interest in Sasuke. I might be wrong on some of these things but, its just a sad ending.
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Post by lars072 on Oct 10, 2010 5:22:41 GMT -5
What a sad ending to this. It's a shame M9 and TBS overplayed their hand with Sasuke. I really think Taiwan would've been a great place to get more exposure if marketed correctly especially with Japan's seeming loss of interest in Sasuke. I might be wrong on some of these things but, its just a sad ending. It is sad. I'm glad that Li gets to return but I feel for all the people that were hping to get a shot at SASUKE 26 via the Taiwan trials. It was a huge #$@!#$@! by Golden Sun that's for sure.
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Post by intelligentinfer on Oct 13, 2010 8:52:48 GMT -5
Just a huge letdown. So many people wanted to go to Japan with Lee.
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