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Post by lars072 on Sept 25, 2010 23:24:23 GMT -5
On one hand I want to say that it not being in Taiwan anymore doesn't mean it's over in Japan.. But then I considered something.. That IS a bad sign.. Less money being spent back into Sasuke means less motivation for them to consider they're making a profit.. Hell.. JET/Golden Sun are the only other people besides TBS to show the original broadcasts.. G4 is pretty much the primary buyer (How many countries are just getting 21 or 22 now?..) and does TBS make profit from selling the "Ninja Warrior" versions anyways? And while I do seriously feel bad about the people in Taiwan who are big fans that can't get on (I know the feeling.. I'm too young to go through G4 by a few years..) but I got to feel bad for Lee/Li/Whichever is the right spelling (On one hand I want to go with what you say since you are from Taiwan so you know the language but he had it the other way when he showed up to the 25 stream (Man I bet he's glad he did...)) for all the people who are still probably mad at him since he gets to go but no one else there does.. Man I'm getting worried about Sasuke now.. I'm sure that IF there's a SASUKE 26 (a BIG IF) then I'm certain that he'll be invited back. But most fans here watch the TBS version on TV when it comes out (as well as prvious tournaments that used to be aired on a weekly basis), so I doubt there will be much interest here anymore. There will only likely be the odd person here who would watch SASUKE 26 live - most people enjoyed watching the JET/Golden Sun broadcasts on the weekends. I'd always see people watching SASUKE, Viking, Muscle Ranking and other related shows on the weekends whenever was out and about and that will no longer be happening.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 25, 2010 23:34:18 GMT -5
Why are you saying it's a big IF? It's true there might not be a Sasuke 26. But it's not like all hope is lost as you're basically implying. There's a better chance of it happening still then not happening.
They just opened a new muscle park, renovated the site, etc.
So while they lost their ties to Taiwan, it doesn't affect the show too much. It really doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2010 23:40:43 GMT -5
They did lose another market. It's another blow to the Sasuke franchise.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 25, 2010 23:46:23 GMT -5
On one hand I want to say that it not being in Taiwan anymore doesn't mean it's over in Japan.. But then I considered something.. That IS a bad sign.. Less money being spent back into Sasuke means less motivation for them to consider they're making a profit.. Hell.. JET/Golden Sun are the only other people besides TBS to show the original broadcasts.. G4 is pretty much the primary buyer (How many countries are just getting 21 or 22 now?..) and does TBS make profit from selling the "Ninja Warrior" versions anyways? And while I do seriously feel bad about the people in Taiwan who are big fans that can't get on (I know the feeling.. I'm too young to go through G4 by a few years..) but I got to feel bad for Lee/Li/Whichever is the right spelling (On one hand I want to go with what you say since you are from Taiwan so you know the language but he had it the other way when he showed up to the 25 stream (Man I bet he's glad he did...)) for all the people who are still probably mad at him since he gets to go but no one else there does.. Man I'm getting worried about Sasuke now.. I'm sure that IF there's a SASUKE 26 (a BIG IF) then I'm certain that he'll be invited back. But most fans here watch the TBS version on TV when it comes out (as well as prvious tournaments that used to be aired on a weekly basis), so I doubt there will be much interest here anymore. There will only likely be the odd person here who would watch SASUKE 26 live - most people enjoyed watching the JET/Golden Sun broadcasts on the weekends. I'd always see people watching SASUKE, Viking, Muscle Ranking and other related shows on the weekends whenever was out and about and that will no longer be happening. I'm sure that if 26 happens Li/Lee is going to be there, I was saying I feel bad for him because of how many people in Taiwan are angry at him because he's the only one there who goes. I'm sure there has to be a fanbase from Taiwan who are here for at least the live streams, Didn't those HD ones with the commercials removed for 23 and 24 come from Taiwan?. Hell.. No more Sasuke in Taiwan has a big impact on Sasuke fans all around the world considering thats the only place besides Japan with the original (or damn close) broadcasts so for all those ones we don't have yet we just got to hope someone has some JET reruns saved that hit the internet...
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Post by lostinube on Sept 26, 2010 5:09:47 GMT -5
How big was the market in Taiwan anyway though? Does anyone have any ratings numbers from JET TV or Gold Sun? Clearly JET saw that only airing Japanese shows wasn't making them money.
And since none of us know exactly how much TBS charges for the broadcasts how can we blame them (not M9. They are not the distributors of the program.) ? Gold Sun was quite obviously a step down from JET TV.
Also, any channel that wants to can buy the longer broadcasts. It's up there on the TBS Global Sales site. They just choose the episodic version instead.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 26, 2010 6:20:31 GMT -5
JET actually decided to change formats.. not just lose Sasuke. They decided to axe all Japanese variety from their format and by default Sasuke fell into that. From the information JET put out.. they didn't feel that it was right to broadcast only Sasuke while axing the entire variety line up. Seems they were doing decent money airing Sasuke at that time but they had to make a decision. Golden Sun paid an exhorbitant sum of money. I'm trying to remember where i heard it.. but I heard it was to the tune of a Million (US Dollars) for Sasuke 24 alone. In terms of financial markets.. Taiwan was #2 behind USA in terms of how much money was spent on the airing rights.. so yes.. losing Taiwan is a massive blow to the M9 coffers since they are the originators of the franchise so they get a fee back for every sale and TBS of course loses that money from Sasuke 25 on. Obviously they don't lose for stuff previously aired.. they buy the package not per air rights. This his horrible news for Taiwan. I'm sure TBS will continue to carry Lee into their programming and just reshuffle him into the celebrity wing of their invites. The last 2 Sasuke's he was a direct invite simply because Taiwan wasn't organized. Given how Taiwan just dropped the ball I figured that the expected ratings was not as high or they mishandled the whole situation and bit off more than they can chew. If they did spend that kind of money.. that's a huge loss for the channel... and no wonder why they tanked. I pray that nothing happens to Lee.. he's for years been threatened for being the only Taiwan invite for the past few years.. I'm hoping people figure out it wasn't his fault. Thanks lars for checking up on this. As for the impact on Sasuke there is one.. a huge one. And whether people like it or not.. Sasuke 26 is an "IF" and not a when right now. Given that Nagano is not exactly hopeful right now.. I'm going to defer to his judgment on this.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 26, 2010 10:55:09 GMT -5
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Post by chackpop on Sept 26, 2010 11:11:40 GMT -5
So it's not just the ratings that are killing Sasuke, it's the bad economy and over pricing that M9 made?
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Post by arsenette on Sept 26, 2010 11:18:10 GMT -5
So it's not just the ratings that are killing Sasuke, it's the bad economy and over pricing that M9 made? Yes ratings alone is not doing it. A whole slew of things are contributing to it. In Taiwan the overpricing is one of the main factors. They just can't afford it. In Japan all television stations are not making as much money off advertising. TBS alone is getting hit hard now and they have had to reshuffle their lineup in place of cheaper produced shows. Sasuke not having a high rating didn't help it so let's see what TBS plans to do with all of this.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 26, 2010 13:45:30 GMT -5
Geez.. This is not looking good.. Ratings for 25 are an all time low for the franchise.. Their second biggest buyer gone.. Sasuke can't be cheap to produce and with less people spending money on it that's a bad sign.. Especially even in Japan.. With how ratings have been sinking and record low for Sasuke 25.. The sponsors aren't going to be BIG buyers.. It's a more "We'll take it, we're damn desperate" than anyhting.. If you ran a company.. And wanted to buy ad space.. Would you rather have something not doing great in ratings comparatively or would you want to buy ad space on what's winning the time slot.. Man I'm getting worried.. I hope we get at least 26... Considering all this stuff going on.. I'm thinking I had bad timing to make something like this....
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Post by cole77000 on Sept 26, 2010 15:01:26 GMT -5
The rest of the recent updates didn't bother me too much but this one scares me. Seeing that tbs is now charging so much for the rights to sasuke shows that they may be getting desperate for extra revenue. I'm not thinking that sasuke is cutting it financially for them right now. I really hope this isn't the case.
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Post by madmanike on Sept 26, 2010 15:07:18 GMT -5
So maybe the best move financially for them is to get G4 to buy in. I mean, if G4 is willing to shell out $250,000 to any American to finish the course, aside from the fact that we are talking about G4, why wouldn't they just shunt that money over to taking the reigns and running the first ever American Sasuke? As long as Monster 9 and TBS put in guidelines to keep G4 from F'ing it up, I don't see why that wouldn't work for everyone. Then they can air it in Japan, and hoepfully get ratings good enough to bring it back home for Sasuke 27.
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Post by cole77000 on Sept 26, 2010 15:10:26 GMT -5
Honestly, I can see that as the best case scenario for the worst case scenario. I don't think that it would be too bad if it were the same show but in the US but I think that if G4 got their hands on it they wouldn't give it back >_>
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Post by jfeathe on Sept 26, 2010 15:18:58 GMT -5
It's stupid to be charging so much for Sasuke especially since selling it doesn't costs TBS anything.
Back to the SUN/JET issue; all this time I thought Sasuke was flourishing on JET. I can understand stopping it if it's not doing well, but it WAS doing well...
Back to Sasuke 26, I think the whole Sasuke 23-25 within 6 months thing really screwed things up. Taking a year break and building up anticipation for a March Sasuke 26 is the best idea IMHO.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 26, 2010 15:32:35 GMT -5
I think everyone needs to calm down and put their heads back on their shoulders.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 26, 2010 15:42:32 GMT -5
I think everyone needs to calm down and put their heads back on their shoulders. Confused.. you don't seem bothered by the fact that Taiwan just lost their broadcaster.. it's like us losing G4.. obviously it doesn't affect you but wow that's kinda callous.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 26, 2010 15:50:27 GMT -5
So maybe the best move financially for them is to get G4 to buy in. I mean, if G4 is willing to shell out $250,000 to any American to finish the course, aside from the fact that we are talking about G4, why wouldn't they just shunt that money over to taking the reigns and running the first ever American Sasuke? As long as Monster 9 and TBS put in guidelines to keep G4 from F'ing it up, I don't see why that wouldn't work for everyone. Then they can air it in Japan, and hoepfully get ratings good enough to bring it back home for Sasuke 27. How would that help Japanese audiences? That's what TBS is in business for.. it's called Tokyo Broadcast System.. not American Broadcasting. Japan doesn't want to see an American show.. they threw fits when 10 were admitted into 23.. you honestly think people would want to watch a show of Americans in PLACE of Japanese in Japan? I think people are blurring the lines between G4 and TBS and more importantly wishful thinking rather than business sense. TBS does not need G4 to get ratings in Japan. Wanting to save the show does not include forcing more G4 content into their broadcast... The only way G4 could help TBS would be to sell off ANW as a spin off and get money from syndication. That's about it because anything else doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Back to the SUN/JET issue; all this time I thought Sasuke was flourishing on JET. I can understand stopping it if it's not doing well, but it WAS doing well... JET's overall channel change directly affected their ability to keep Sasuke. Programming decisions on an entire network took precedent over one show in their lineup bi-annually.. as for Golden Sun.. we have no idea how they did ratings wise.. from what it sounds like.. they didn't do enough to warrant the pricetag a second time around. Just because they were changed networks doesn't mean they held the same audience... heck we don't even know how far of a market Golden Sun had over JET's territory. It's like saying everyone has G4 when they don't.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 26, 2010 18:05:07 GMT -5
Well to be honest us losing G4 isn't a big blow.
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Post by jfeathe on Sept 26, 2010 18:16:14 GMT -5
Well to be honest us losing G4 isn't a big blow. I'm not quite sure what you mean here, but losing G4 could end up being bad. It's very possible that G4 may be Sasuke's lifeline. This may be a long shot, but it could possibly happen that they would go through with future Sasukes only because G4 is paying enough/has enough clout/etc. I may be absolutely, completely, 100% wrong, but I think G4 might be the only thing saving Sasuke at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 18:26:44 GMT -5
I was going to reply with a /facepalm, but I was afraid I misunderstood him too, so I just ignored it >_>
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