Ninja Warrior Protest

[Oti]

Just a thought: If we all hate how G4 handles things, why don't we do anything about it? For example, ANW2 this summer... what if none of us went?

Think about it. At Ninja Fest 4, the "forum regulars" were recognized by the G4 staff. We were almost all-stars, it seemed. How many "forum regulars" attended ANW? A lot. Maybe a lack of the more "popular" (for lack of a better word) people would really strike G4 and make them think about how they're doing things. Or not. Who knows.

This isn't to say that ANW2 would be ruined, though. There are still tons of people who would show up regardless of what we did. Just saying: maybe we can consider doing this if G4 gets any worse (although they do seem to be trying hard to please us lately).

Just throwin' it out there. It's 5:30 AM and I'm tired.

[Badalight]

But ANW is a step in the right direction. I for one loved the frist ANW (Though it had it's problems, they are already making improvements for 2).

So even if I hated how they used to do things, and I still like to nitpick, they have come really far since ANC1.

I don't think anyone who would actually pay to go to ANW would give up that opportunity for a protest that probably wouldn't be very effective.

Speaking for myself, if I were 21 I'd already have my plane ticket bought.

[arsenette]

I've had my issues and still have MAJOR issues with how G4 handles Sasuke. ANW is still in the right direction and that in and of itself is not a problem since it still falls in the category of "trials". Even Japan trials changes in various forms. My biggest gripe is what G4 does in editing Sasuke into Ninja Warrior so sitting out ANW is not a productive way to protest Ninja Warrior.

The bigger thing would be to boycott actual Ninja Warrior episodes or promote Sasuke OVER Ninja Warrior in terms of enjoyment. I would wish they had the thought pattern in actually reediting Ninja Warrior and bring it back to the style of Sasuke sorta like the Taiwanese do with Sasuke.. just slap subtitles and preserve the music and structure of the show. Heck.. I'd even push for a Ninja Warrior 2.0 if they are adamant about keeping the NW name.

IMO ANW does not equate or ever will be "Sasuke" so to boycott one to protest the other seems a bit counter productive. After all at least they separated both and have their own shows and highlights. I just want them to fix their showing of Ninja Warrior/Sasuke back to it's original form. Maybe petition G4 to reedit NW? It's a thought

[Oti]

Honestly, I'm not even mad at G4 for anything right now. I was just thinking about all the times we've wanted to protest G4, but never did anything.

[davidcampbell]

Then ANW2 would be nothing but freerunners and no fans? Let me think about that one.
Probably just writing letter and emails is the way to go.

Heh, to protest the retarded final at ANW1, we could all mail them 1000 bricks individually hahahaha!

[Oti]

I really don't believe writing letters and e-mails would change anything, though. G4 has shown time and time again that they don't listen to us.

[arsenette]

Mar 11, 2010 15:58:51 GMT -5 Oti said:

I really don't believe writing letters and e-mails would change anything, though. G4 has shown time and time again that they don't listen to us.

Exactly. Especially with the new announcement that ANWe has not changed in format... I'll leave my bitching for that thread

[TCM]

Mar 11, 2010 14:35:25 GMT -5 davidcampbell said:

Then ANW2 would be nothing but freerunners and no fans? Let me think about that one.
Probably just writing letter and emails is the way to go.

Heh, to protest the retarded final at ANW1, we could all mail them 1000 bricks individually hahahaha!

They'd just one-up us and use THOSE bricks for the final

[Oti]

So it's going to be the same messed up format?

Hopefully they make the final challenge something RELEVANT.

[VxJasonxV]

Mar 11, 2010 14:35:25 GMT -5 davidcampbell said:

Heh, to protest the retarded final at ANW1, we could all mail them 1000 bricks individually hahahaha!

^^^ Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Mar 11, 2010 6:27:04 GMT -5 Oti said:

Just a thought: If we all hate how G4 handles things, why don't we do anything about it? For example, ANW2 this summer... what if none of us went?

You would never not go if you were capable of doing so. I know you said you're just thinking out loud, but the only way to really do something is to burn the bridge back home.

You wouldn't do it, so don't suggest it to anyone else.

Way to try and snipe a competitive edge .

[Deleted]

If we wanted to protest Ninja Warrior, we would need to find something that everyone will want to get on board with.

I disagree with alot of the G4-hate that goes on. I think if your going to protest something, it has to be something meaningful, something that without a doubt is ruining Sasuke, which so far, I think G4 hasn't done... yet.

[Oti]

You wouldn't do it, so don't suggest it to anyone else.

Way to try and snipe a competitive edge .

First of all, please don't act like you know what I will and will not do. Secondly, I don't want to give myself an edge. I want a level playing field for all of us so I can see how my training stacks up against others'. I talk a lot of talk around here, you know.

Better just stick with this:

I know you said you're just thinking out loud

which so far, I think G4 hasn't done... yet.

The yet is what worries me a little.

I won't just bash them, though. I admit that it really does seem like they're trying to please us.

[jfeathe]

I like Ninja Warrior simply for the fact that it's in English, and it's broken down into episodes (it's easy to record and watch on the fly).

I wish they kept the original music, but I'm fine with the graphics overhaul (Japanese graphics look WAY outdated).

[Badalight]

Take NW for what it is guys. Don't you think it'd be boring to watch the same exact broadcast?

NW is in a way a different show. It has english subtitles and instead of 3 hours broadcasts it is split into bite size episodes.

The format simply works for most viewers. Yeah there are some things I can nitpick like the giant red and uneeded box, too many friggin graphics, mispronunciation of names, etc...

But really, do you think G4 would have more viewers if they kept the original 3 hour broadcasts? like Sasuke 24... 6 hours. Honestly besides the hardcore fans who is going to sit down for 6 hours and watch that? Now compare that to how many people would watch that in multiple 30 minute episodes.

Big difference, I'm pretty sure they made the right decision bussiness wise, and they continue to try and please the fans. I have things I hate about G4, but they continually give me less and less to complain about each year.

David: We should make sure only forum members get to the finals, and then just all say we quit and walk away from the terrible final stage.

=p

[arsenette]

Bada tell that to Taiwan who has been using that format for years and has been fine Besides.. even with the shorter time frame it still doesn't excuse the lack of content. Having to rerun the same run 6 times in a rewind segment.. in the same segment is asinine. Don't get me started also how they edited later episodes to feature ANC/ANW/AOTS people in favor of the actual competitors that got further then all of them combined.. The ONLY thing that excuses the atrocity of NW in my book is the fact that they bother subtitling it.. but the Taiwanese still do better on that than G4 does. Considering that in 2 countries (including the original) people continue to clamor for more of the same product it's ridiculous to think that people don't want to watch it again. You yourself wouldn't be here if you were not a fan. Just about every single person that has watched the original and then watched NW's version all say the same thing.. just slap some subtitles to the original and call it a day. It's much better edited, flows better and the music pacing fit it since the original was better to begin with. NW's is dry, uneven, badly paced and disjointed. Just because G4 used to play it a lot (but haven't lately) doesn't mean that the format should be changed because of it. More people watch the Marathon all in a row because it makes sense to watch that particular tournament in order so they know wtf is going on. If it was one full show like it was to begin with you wouldn't have to have a friggin recap every single commercial break.. (and my DVD petition wouldn't have had so many signatures...)

[Badalight]

Arsenette: I understand your opinion, and I agree it is edited horribly. I also like the regular version 10x better. but you also have to think about who NW is aimed at. The americans want to see how good the americans do.

Want proof of that? I have gotten atleast 30 friends into ninja warrior, and some of them watch it religously on g4.

When ANC/ANW started, who do they think they cared about seeing more? Shunsuke, Kenji, lee? Or Levi and Brian?

Yeah, they went ballistic over Levi and Brian. Of course they do like the all-stars, but they are always infavor of the americans, and I mean ALWAYS.

So while I personally would rather the focus not be on them, it's probably much better for ratings. They arn't going to go through all the trouble and money to send people over there and hardly showcase them at all. That's highly unrealistic. Look at it from their perspective. They want to make the majority of their viewers happy, and they'll do whatever it takes. So guess what? They are going to show americans, because that'll get them the ratings.

While us hardcore fans may not agree with it, from a buisness standpoint it makes perfect sense.

And I'm not trying to defend G4 here or anything, but their company has been in the red for a long time, so I don't blame them for trying whatever it takes to get back on their feet. Also since NW is their most popular show (Even above AOTS and X-play) they will milk it and milk it for what it's worth.

Also, not everyone likes the TBS version better. I have shown a lot of my friends the TBS version, and for multiple reasons most of them did not enjoy it in the slightest, so don't generalize every viewer.

edit: Also, post 4,000

[arsenette]

Whoot grats on 4 grand

I understand the concept but ALL of us have started on the G4 version (well... except Ube and he's never seen the G4 version). To automatically dismiss that all Americans think the same is a bit unrealistic. In the past .. sure I'd watch G4 all the time.. until I found the real ones.. even in the absence of a DVD I tried like crazy to see the originals. The normal layman wouldn't watch it mostly because they don't know wtf is going on (that's where the subtitles would work fantastically) and they don't want to sit through a broadcast of people they don't know. Over time though as I watched each season I started to build my own list of people that I liked watching. It's like watching any series on TV. The more you watch a story you build your list of favorites. So while I may not like Yamada or Sato someone else would go "hey they are awesome". The more G4 cuts out the less of a bond people will build with people in the show. Heck.. they cut Kawahara out all the time and how many fans HERE are fans of him? He's never passed the first stage but each time he's in everyone's list to win it all.

Point being if G4 reedited the show and put subtitles to the original. Over time people would like more because they actually have SEEN more. It's difficult to convert someone to something they can't understand. That alone has kept a lot of people out of watching Sasuke and kept them watching G4. In the past few months alone as G4 has decided to omit NW in favor of ANW footage people have come here in droves (already 200+ since December) to see what they have been missing. The more people G4 drives away the more people understand how much better the original is. I'm hoping over time the need will be so great that a DVD WITH English subtitles will come out. Would be great if G4 would reedit the original so it can be seen on TV and the audience will grow.

[arsenette]

Oh and P.S. Last time I checked.. when Sasuke was popular and G4 had the rights.. there were NO ANW people in and we fell in love with Nagano.. so the idea that Americans wouldn't watch a show because there are no Americans to cheer for is just ludicrous.

[Oti]

so the idea that Americans wouldn't watch a show because there are no Americans to cheer for is just ludicrous.

Exactly, as is the idea that the Americans always want to see the Americans.

Want proof of that? I have gotten atleast 30 friends into ninja warrior, and some of them watch it religously on g4.

When ANC/ANW started, who do they think they cared about seeing more? Shunsuke, Kenji, lee? Or Levi and Brian?

Yeah, they went ballistic over Levi and Brian. Of course they do like the all-stars, but they are always infavor of the americans, and I mean ALWAYS.

Your 30+ friends do not represent all of America. I, for one, don't care about a majority of the Americans on Sasuke. I bet I'm not the only one, either. Personally, I want to see the ones I know. If I don't know 'em, I don't particularly care. Some the Japanese people, however, interest me very much.

So while I personally would rather the focus not be on them, it's probably much better for ratings. They arn't going to go through all the trouble and money to send people over there and hardly showcase them at all. That's highly unrealistic. Look at it from their perspective. They want to make the majority of their viewers happy, and they'll do whatever it takes. So guess what? They are going to show americans, because that'll get them the ratings.

You seem to have forgotten something: remember how much effort G4 went through to make it look like THEY run things? Perhaps they stress the Americans so much because that further "proves" they're in charge. It's probably a combination of ratings and the illusion of ownership.

[Homeslice]

If G4's doing anything wrong right now, it's not airing Ninja Warrior much these days (and never at a convenient time, either!).