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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 19:19:02 GMT -5
I remember when it was the same day as ANW, and I went outside. It was the hottest day of summer I believe, I was like "Wow I feel REALLY bad for the ANW peeps." I'm surprised more people didn't fall in the water because it was just so damn hot. Given that ANW is a on off so far I want to see if they bother improving the format with this one.. though I still hold true that it's not original no matter the spin from G4 marketing  Oh for the bulls**t that the G4 President spouts he has his own page on the G4 website. A few people have posted from it.. I stopped going after I read the nonsense this guy has to say about the Female demographic (irregardless of age). Any moron that changes programing because another demographic is HELPING the company make money and not be in the red is a friggin' retard. Trying to remember the segment.. it's not Feedback (I actually like that show.. LOL) it's a written blog or something to that effect that's easily accessible from the G4 site.. or should be.. but it's not hidden and he's really open about his desire to forsake all other data to make sure there is growth on that one demographic specifically. Even despite ratings.. That's the problem with having Comcast own them. They have them as a network that isn't beholden to ratings to get their sponsorship. Had they been another company reliant on ratings G4 would have been out of business 10 years ago... Yes, your talking about Open Source. g4tv.com/openSource.aspx?pg=3Now, I agree with everyone on some aspects. They don't need to piss on everyone, and it was HORRIBLE in 2005. I remember HATING Ninja Warrior, because it was just another stupid show (Until it transformed my life lol) and shows like FastLane and Cops was bulls**t. Anyways, I'm back on G4's board now. There trying to appease gamers with their webshows, and I'm somewhat happy with it. Regardless, Arsenette, I still can't find the 2:1 ratio of women to men you were talking about. Could you please back up your facts. There's just a lot of false information that goes around when it comes to G4. It just annoys me. [quote author=arsenette board=general thread=2079 post=47502 time=1268436541].. He's putting the company IN the red because the wrong demographic was HELPING the show be popular.. that's the problem. If G4 was a company that lived by itself and not sponsored by Comcast as a public service channel not beholden to ratings for survival none of this would be an issue.[/quote] Although I'm not going to be a smartass and correct you all the time, I might as well note that G4 has been growing continually since 05'. Around the same time Neil went into office. |
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2010 19:28:26 GMT -5
Oh geez there's tons of stuff all over the net. Read their own press releases and whatnot. THeir version of growth is increase of that one demographic. Period. Everything else has dropped and there has been many conversations about that even on Open Source. He has no idea apparently why their network is in the blood red (has been for 2 years).. so if you are judging by the "growth" of G4 strictly due to the rise of their demographic aim and NOT by the ratings that every other network that's not subsidized by a parent company.. then there's not much I can do to convince you. Trade magazine articles, yahoo articles dating back 2 years and whatnot and even Nielsen ratings... I'm not doing the homework again. If i run into current stuff I'll post it but since I don't watch G4 anymore it's pointless. There is nothing on the network that I want to watch.. and the stuff I do are not G4 TV things.. they are online webshows that Adam Sessler produces.
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Post by Oti on Mar 12, 2010 20:05:39 GMT -5
I LOVE the heat. I'm like a lizard, man. The hotter, the better. The hottest it got where I live was 114° and I was outside doing tricks.  So... their aim for a specific demographic... is rising? Que? |
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2010 21:24:21 GMT -5
sorry back had dinner  Yes their target demographic (Males er.. I think 18-22 .. not sure but it's in that range) is rising (watching shows like Cops, etc.) which is what they want to do to create a network that is unique and different from that of say.. Spike. They in turn take this information and send it to their advertisers and say "look we have # amount of this demographic watching our shows". They are into making a niche market and that is their only goal. It's not to be successful (unless it's to cater to that crowd) and they will forsake all other things.. including hit shows that can *gasp* make money.. as long as they have THOSE advertisers on board. They are willing to sacrifice the company itself to make sure that one group is growing.. they don't say how MUCH it is.. they just say it's growing.. so if 100 boy were watching in 2009 and 150 are watching now.. they go "ooooooh it's great" even if 90% of their previous audience that comprised of everyone else outside of that demographic just boycotted the network.. |
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Post by Oti on Mar 12, 2010 21:39:38 GMT -5
The male, 18-35 range is the golden demographic to most networks. I'm not surprised they're doing this to get more of that range.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 12, 2010 21:42:05 GMT -5
Theirs is a bit closer to the early 20's range it's extremely narrow which I believe is causing the problems. Even broadening the list to 35 would be ideal and might actually cause the network to go into the black for the first time in ages..
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Post by Oti on Mar 12, 2010 21:49:11 GMT -5
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Post by Badalight on Mar 12, 2010 23:54:57 GMT -5
Offtopic reply to Oti's post: I like the heat, but my body doesn't. Heat exhaustion leading to heat strokes = not good.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2010 0:28:16 GMT -5
Ah cool thanks LOL I love how they put they are the fastest growing.. er.. Comcast expanding in 2006 doesn't necessarily equate to ratings I wonder what the number is now considering the nosedive they did 2 years in a row (even Neil talks about the nosedive). Wish the page was updated. |
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Post by Oti on Mar 13, 2010 1:51:36 GMT -5
@badalight's off-topic response to my off-topic post: YOU'RE WEAK! < If there were a devil-faced smiley, I'd use it here. > Oh, this is great. From chris.pirillo.com/g4-is-a-big-fat-loser/ ... This is also from 2006, but really... how much has G4 changed since then? Or the general public? |
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2010 2:02:24 GMT -5
Actually Neil has even gone on record that he has no idea what is causing the catastrophic drop in viewership. 2 things are going on simultaneously. 1) Comcast is adding the channel to more of it's networks across the USA as Comcast grows. 2) G4 is losing viewers with more people not happy with the programming (for various reasons I'm sure.. you know mine by now ). Maybe also people not happy that shows that were popular and did well ratingswise when Tech TV was around and was axed after Neil took over (because some did survive the merger) or maybe the constant scrambling of shows and adding crap shows like Hurl, etc. in an effort to further marginalize themselves in a tiny market? Either way the growing that G4 is doing is nothing to do with G4 - it's Comcast. They control where that station is showing so naturally as they expand they put G4 on more TV's (granted.. a lot of affiliates are dropping G4 from their lineup seemingly every day (anecdotal evidence from the Ninja Warrior boards and even Facebook where people are complaining that they lost G4 on their cable)). G4 is going the opposite direction by trying to make themselves more niche.. I question why.. but hey I don't run the station. Ultimately all the decisions made on the corporate level has already impacted Ninja Warrior in a heavily negative way. NW is barely shown anymore outside of the occasional episode here and there.. or NinjaFests leading up to a new show whenever they get around to it. Thanks to their massive screw up in preempting Sasuke 23 in favor of ANW and the casual fan revolting.. they are trying to do damage control. Ultimately though with the announcement that ANW is back to the same format with an open trials I see that G4 again... is dead set on promoting ANW above Sasuke by appealing to the sponsors saying "hey we are doing original programing".. |
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Post by Oti on Mar 13, 2010 3:01:46 GMT -5
A term comes to mind: "CLUSTERF**K" I'll handle things better when I'm in control of stuff, don't worry. Wanna help? Honestly, I don't see why it's so hard to handle the Ninja Warrior fans. CHECK THE FORUMS, TARDS. Jesus Christ. It's not like we're sitting there all quiet and stuff, mumbling to ourselves. We're all very outspoken about our problems with G4. They're just... they're ignorant. :/ |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 13, 2010 4:18:18 GMT -5
There's a game show on Fox Reality Channel that you've probably never heard of: Solitary. It's the channel's highest rated show, inexpensive to produce (especially for a game show), and has a dedicated cult following. It's similar to Sasuke/NW/ANW in this way. Fox Reality Channel will go off the air later this month, leaving the fate of the game show "Solitary" uncertain.
The fans and production team of Solitary don't want the show to end, and they've launched a campaign, SaveSolitary, to save the show. Their aim is to have as many people as possible contact several networks and encourage them to purchase the rights to produce the show after the demise of Fox Reality Channel.
Why should you care?
The primary network this movement is aiming for is G4. Simply put, G4 has a semi-appropriate demographic for the show, the SaveSolitary movement knows that, and they also know that G4 is searching for direction. SaveSolitary is sending lots of letters, e-mails, tweets, etc. to Neil Tiles, Olivia, Kevin, their facebook page, and probably other facets of the network's social network.
How does this affect Sasuke/NW/ANW?
First, it's a dedicated and positive-in-attitude programming request to G4. I emphasize 'positive' because it seems that the majority of comments about Ninja Warrior are "I won't watch" or "You're ruining the show" or "I don't get G4 on my cable anymore", which are incredibly negative. I emphasize 'dedicated' because it goes beyond posting on their forums.
Second, it might succeed, and G4 might soon own Solitary, and already-established show. This could affect the direction that G4 takes its programming, possibly in a less trashy direction than COPS and Campus PD. In the event of a new programming direction regardless of how "new" it is, all current shows will be reviewed. Continued negativity among "fans" of Sasuke/NW/ANW can only be bad if that happens, but positivity and encouragement can be viewed as programming opportunity.
Why do I bother posting this?
I'm concerned that a show I love (Solitary) may harm the future of another show I love (Sasuke) with regards to airing in the United States. I see a change in tactics with how Sasuke fans approach G4 about their decisions regarding their involvement with Sasuke as the solution.
Hmm... I think I'll go register for their forums and say something nice about them deciding to air Sasuke 23 and Sasuke 24.
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Post by Oti on Mar 13, 2010 4:53:29 GMT -5
Normally I would be with you on that, but until G4 starts acting like they care what we think, I fear it's a lost cause.
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Post by TCM on Mar 13, 2010 11:43:43 GMT -5
There's a game show on Fox Reality Channel that you've probably never heard of: Solitary. It's the channel's highest rated show, inexpensive to produce (especially for a game show), and has a dedicated cult following. It's similar to Sasuke/NW/ANW in this way. Fox Reality Channel will go off the air later this month, leaving the fate of the game show "Solitary" uncertain. The fans and production team of Solitary don't want the show to end, and they've launched a campaign, SaveSolitary, to save the show. Their aim is to have as many people as possible contact several networks and encourage them to purchase the rights to produce the show after the demise of Fox Reality Channel. Why should you care? The primary network this movement is aiming for is G4. Simply put, G4 has a semi-appropriate demographic for the show, the SaveSolitary movement knows that, and they also know that G4 is searching for direction. SaveSolitary is sending lots of letters, e-mails, tweets, etc. to Neil Tiles, Olivia, Kevin, their facebook page, and probably other facets of the network's social network. How does this affect Sasuke/NW/ANW? First, it's a dedicated and positive-in-attitude programming request to G4. I emphasize 'positive' because it seems that the majority of comments about Ninja Warrior are "I won't watch" or "You're ruining the show" or "I don't get G4 on my cable anymore", which are incredibly negative. I emphasize 'dedicated' because it goes beyond posting on their forums. Second, it might succeed, and G4 might soon own Solitary, and already-established show. This could affect the direction that G4 takes its programming, possibly in a less trashy direction than COPS and Campus PD. In the event of a new programming direction regardless of how "new" it is, all current shows will be reviewed. Continued negativity among "fans" of Sasuke/NW/ANW can only be bad if that happens, but positivity and encouragement can be viewed as programming opportunity. Why do I bother posting this? I'm concerned that a show I love (Solitary) may harm the future of another show I love (Sasuke) with regards to airing in the United States. I see a change in tactics with how Sasuke fans approach G4 about their decisions regarding their involvement with Sasuke as the solution. Hmm... I think I'll go register for their forums and say something nice about them deciding to air Sasuke 23 and Sasuke 24. I LOVE Solitary and I didn't know about this. I hope G4 picks it up, but if they're going to handle it like they've done with their other shows that actually get them ratings, then I'd rather they try someone else. |
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Post by arsenette on Mar 13, 2010 12:05:08 GMT -5
I'm concerned with Solitary as well and I've never even watched the show.. simply because of G4's track record.
Trust me.. we've tried every campaign.. some G4 apologists still exist after the 2 years of progressing chaos and idiocy that culminated at Sasuke 24's non inclusion of Americans thanks to G4 exclusively. Many people wrote to Neil (clear, concise and even praiseworthy) letters only to be swatted back like "oh child, you don't know what you want.. let me tell you instead" mentality that is very G4 these days. He's content to change the show to fit HIS style instead of preserving the show AND it's popularity.. the whole point they BOUGHT the show in the first place.. (facepalm) I'm now fed up and just boycott the network (which of course is easy since they barely show NW anymore anyway).
Quite frankly the only way things will change is with what just happened the past couple months. People who ARE their demographic complaining that they didn't see Nagano in Sasuke 23. That's it. They don't care about us and know we will watch Sasuke no matter what because we are hardcore fans.. it was the casual fan that moved G4 to actually show Sasuke again. I actually don't care for ANW but understand that's the only thing that is allowing Americans to consistently end up on the show as competitors including forum members. That's the only reason I bother keeping up with it. Otherwise I'm still frustrated that they continue to bastardize even that by trying an American take on the show and failing miserably at it. I'd actually WATCH ANW if it was just a trials and they treated it with the same respect that Japan Sasuke Trials has. G4 again is trying to get their own success at the expense of TBS/M9's 13 year history by destroying their product and that's just wrong. They can coexist perfectly if they bother doing their homework and *gasp* take advice from the hardcore fans who DO want BOTH to succeed for years to come.
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Post by Oti on Mar 13, 2010 13:24:01 GMT -5
Do we have proof of this? Real, concrete evidence? I believe it's G4's fault as well, but that doesn't mean it's true. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not all-knowing. Is it really a surprise? There are easily more casual watchers than hardcore Sasuke fans. And all this hate on Neil... it's kind of unfair. Television networks aren't exactly dictatorships. I'm sure he's not the only one to blame for this crap. He should get his fair share of hate, yeah, but all of it? |
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Post by TCM on Mar 13, 2010 13:38:40 GMT -5
Being the president of the network, it's assumed he deals with every decision made about G4. So, maybe he doesn't deserve all of it, there's maybe very little he didn't have a hand in.
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Post by VxJasonxV on Mar 13, 2010 14:57:36 GMT -5
Being the president of the network, it's assumed he deals with every decision made about G4. So, maybe he doesn't deserve all of it, there's maybe very little he didn't have a hand in. While military and democratic order tend to say "every decision is the president's fault", I tend to personally have a more specific view: The president delegates roles to departments. The departments delegate roles to divisions (sometimes these two are flipped, sometimes there's divisions, with departments, with divisions!). The divisions have managers. And them managers have subordinates. Subordinates make decisions, and they all roll back up the chain for as much (or as little) approval is necessary. I don't know what the food chain looks like in G4, and I don't want too. Yes, the President "has a hand in all decisions", in theory, but not nearly as often in practice. Show creation/Show Licensing/etc. likely has to be approved (think: $$$$). But scheduling? I'm inclined to think not always. Depends on the significance. I don't think Neil approves the 2AM informercials all the time . And going back to Page 1; First of all, please don't act like you know what I will and will not do. Secondly, I don't want to give myself an edge. I want a level playing field for all of us so I can see how my training stacks up against others'. I talk a lot of talk around here, you know. Easy there tiger. In absense of a SARCMARK, that's why I chose a  . First: Am I wrong in assuming that a fan of anything would be involved in a something as big a deal as tryouts where possible? Second: Everyone has a desire to allow themselves to edge out people. Some just take it to bad extremes (Tanya Harding? Anyone?), some people swerve, and other people just... tend to get damn good when in competition. This is where the SARCMARK was needed... Third: At least on this (we talk), we agree ! |
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Post by Oti on Mar 13, 2010 17:22:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry you took my post so seriously. I was a little offended by the first part of your post, so my first part was rather serious, but the second wasn't. First: Yes you are, actually. As much as I want to go to Japan, I would take part in a protest by skipping ANWx if G4 did something stupid enough. Second: I want to be one of the, if not, THE best at ANW2, but not by "edging out" others. It doesn't count if I have an edge over others. I also don't think the sarcmark will ever catch on. I, personally, prefer "/sarcasm". |
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Yes their target demographic (Males er.. I think 18-22 .. not sure but it's in that range) is rising (watching shows like Cops, etc.) which is what they want to do to create a network that is unique and different from that of say.. Spike. They in turn take this information and send it to their advertisers and say "look we have # amount of this demographic watching our shows". They are into making a niche market and that is their only goal. It's not to be successful (unless it's to cater to that crowd) and they will forsake all other things.. including hit shows that can *gasp* make money.. as long as they have THOSE advertisers on board. They are willing to sacrifice the company itself to make sure that one group is growing.. they don't say how MUCH it is.. they just say it's growing.. so if 100 boy were watching in 2009 and 150 are watching now.. they go "ooooooh it's great" even if 90% of their previous audience that comprised of everyone else outside of that demographic just boycotted the network.. 
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