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Post by Badalight on Mar 5, 2021 9:44:37 GMT -5
Bada you know I played the demo in real time? I was a married adult when this game came out. Being in the demo still doesn't change the idea that they put Aerith in the first reactor before their official canonical meeting. Also they said it in their own marketing just now that this is a remake/reboot. (Personally the word is semantics since they are translating that word anyway - it's a re-imagine). Like you I'm fine with them changing the story but hoping it doesn't go off the rails. I'll still say it, the original story had a cubic butt-ton of problems and plot holes and them piling on and retconning their own stuff partway through production and especially subsequent games and other media in that universe. I'm fine. I knew that going in. I remember them saying it's not a 1:1 from the very first trailer at E3. The subsequent interviews were SUPER clear because they knew it would be impossible to recreate the nostalgia. The trailer itself said some worry about what will come but whatever it is rejoice they are coming back. They didn't have to tell me they were changing the story. It was pretty clear to me. As for specifics yeah it would have ruined the surprise.. but I knew surprises were coming. They outright said the battle system change wasn't the one people will be talking about by the time the game came out. As for the end of the game which I've pretty much spoiled myself simply because so much time had passed and I haven't finished the game (depression has a way of sapping energy and desire for everything) I just laughed. Kitase said in recent interviews that is what they were hoping for. They wanted the discussion and they LOVE the fan theories. They did say that the game from now on will mirror closer to the original but didn't quash anything more than that. The set up and delivery of the ending was meant on purpose to confuse people because they wanted to set up for a different surprise later in the series. I expected something like that given that the "surprise" in the original was Zack. It's been 20 years.. there is no surprise with that anymore so they came up with something else. I for one am looking forward to it. As for Nomura. I don't hate him either. I'm just happy he's not directing because he brainstorms and keeps throwing stuff up at the dartboard. Every game he's ever directed was delayed to hell because of it. I'm glad Yoshida from Dragon Quest/FFXIV and now FFXVI is there to reassign people and keep the project on track and on budget. That's what he was hired to do. And it's working! And I was five! lol, I totally get why they did it, and I respect the audacity. I just don't personally like it Yeah, I heard what they said to expect about future games. I won't let them fool me twice though. I mean, if they're telling the truth that's great, but I'm not assuming anything at this point. I'm hoping a lot of that stuff was just a weird meta-explanation for the events of the remake and it doesn't go too far beyond that. But again, I also will not be surprised at anything that happens now. At the very least I'm hoping they're fun to play. My problem with Kingdom Hearts was that the gameplay and the story started to suck, so they became 60 hour slogs to get through. FF7 Remake I enjoyed enough of the mechanics that I'd be fine playing it even if there was no story (granted they cut back on the sections where I have to hold forward and slowly walk behind someone for five minutes while they talk to me). Yoshida is a blessing, and I wish I had the free-time to play FF14.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 4, 2021 22:18:33 GMT -5
I actually kind of want to play First Soldier... lol. Well, not on my phone anyway. I don't like any of the FF7 expanded universe. AC has fun action sequences at set pieces, but the story is a disaster. Before Crisis I know very little about, but I can't imagine it's very good as an early phone game. Dirge I hate. Crisis Core is pretty dumb too though it has moments... And yeah, I forgot the dlc was PS5 exclusive... pretty s***ty of them (I do have a ps5 though). But it makes me think the future installments of remake won't be coming out on PS4. No real reason to make the DLC exclusive otherwise. Seems like they are trying to rip off that bandaid now. Also happy Nomura is no longer directing, but I'm sure his finger prints will be over the rest of the games regardless. At least I have my expectations in check going forward. They can't pull the wool over my eyes twice, lol. But yeah, hoping Ever Crisis is good. I hope the episodic nature doesn't mean large portions of the OG are cut out. I've always wanted an upscaled version of FF7 that I could recommend to my friends (since so many people won't even touch the original due to its graphics). Was hoping remake would be that but it's kind of hard to recommend to first timers. Absolutely understand that! Do know they already said Ever Crisis is going to be a reboot so it's not quite the original as it shows the same gameplay from 7R and has Aerith fighting the first reactor boss Still I do understand that your friends (and many before my generation) won't touch the original because of it's (then-state of the art) graphics. The chapter thing is kind of confusing me only because they said all of them will have a chapter of itself on it's own every month.. going concurrently.. so a chapter of Advent Children going along Before Crisis and Crisis Core? I mean Dirge is worse because that is canonically last in the timeline.. wtf.. They really ought to do it in order so new fans will know wtf is going on.. it makes no sense to do it all at the same time.. I also worry that if they are planning on doing that the pace of stories will come out really slow as to not mess up 7R's release. Unless they don't plan to put some of the stories in 7R (which I'm totally fine with.. they can keep Weiss as an optional boss fight in VR instead of thrown into the game.. uuuuuuugh.. along with the Deep Ground stuff) I'd actually encourage you to find a YouTube video that has just the cutscenes of the previous universe games so you get the whole story. I don't remember Before Crisis much (since that was Japan exclusive and I only saw fan subs) but Crisis Core and Dirge had some story elements that were fine. The Zac and Sephiroth stuff from Crisis were worth the view as you see Sephiroth before he went bonkers. Totally different person. Even the Genesis stuff will explain the whole thing about Hojo's experiments.. even if they totally made the character and actual pop idol.. I mean.. they aren't bringing him back right? I don't think they have the money to pay for those licensing fees.. Advent Children I actually like. I recently purchased the definitive edition (which I didn't even know was a thing until I saw a Max video on it) and the parts they cut actually made the story make a HELL of a lot more sense. I remember owning the bootleg copy (because I had no idea they would release it outside of Japan), buying the original copy (which most people saw) but didn't buy the subsequent copies (because I thought they were just rereleases not an actual extended edition). If you haven't seen it I'd recommend looking for it. It really makes the story a lot more palatable. Agreed with Nomura. Given your experience with Kingdom Hearts I understand not liking Nomura. Seems all the weird stuff comes from that warped mind of his.. so now that we know 7R is a total reboot (instead of a remake) I'm okay with what they throw at me. I'm actually looking forward to it. Seems the original writing team and original director are having a ball being able to retell the story they wanted without the constraints of shoving everything in one game like the original. I'm okay if they changed it (given how divergent all of the other stories are) and being told from the onset makes me not mad that they did. It's their story, the original is still there and actively promoted (and on everything including a toaster) and they told us up front. It's not like LOTR for me where they said it was going to be faithful to the original and then promptly screwed us long-time Tolkien fans. Eyes wide open now. The irony is that KH1 is one of my favorite games of all time along with FF7 which he had a significant role in. I don't hate Nomura, I just see him as a George Lucas esque character that needs to have his ideas reigned in a bit. Speaking to Aerith being in the reactor and using Leviathan, I actually think that's a reference to the original FF7 demo. I'm thinking that's just an easter egg they threw in to the trailer. Just hoping the gameplay is good because it looks like a simplified version of FF7's combat - which would make sense for a phone game. Scrolling through menus wouldn't work well in that format. I love the combat in the original though. About it being a total reboot... well, I kind of disagree that they were upfront about it. I mean, the game is called "remake." I didn't expect a 1:1 recreation, but I sure as hell wasn't expecting those last few chapters... lol. I can't even begin to describe the reaction I had playing those portions. Looking back at interviews they definitely dropped some hints, but I also think they were banking on playing with people's expectations and leaving them with a bunch of plot twists that made them go "wtf?" In a way, I respect the gall of them to pull that kind of stunt, and being more upfront would have ruined the surprise - for better or worse. And to be clear, I am specifically talking about the ending. The little changes and story expansions along the way I totally expected. It was just that last chapter (though, it re-contextualizes the entire game). But either way, at least now I definitively know what they are going for and can set my expectations accordingly while hoping it won't go too off the rails.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 4, 2021 11:02:57 GMT -5
It was to be expected honestly. FF7R is the culmination of the compilation. Just hoping this Ever Crisis is good and actually covers the original game. It sounds like it's chapter based so I'm assuming a lot of stuff will be cut. Combat looks different too. Also no chance in hell I'm gonna play it on my phone, but I am cautiously optimistic for now. Not gonna play the remakes of Dirge, AC, BC, or CC though Also, as much as remake made me mad, I like Yuffie way too much to not buy the probably $30 DLC. Ugh. Well I haven't finished the Remake past what I have in my channel. LOL I should get back to that. My husband did finish it and plans to going for the platinum. As for the DLC I don't have a PS5 so that's a moot point. I'd like to get it but I don't have a PS5 and I usually don't play the first gen of any console because they are notorious to go wrong in some way or are greatly outpaced by subsequent versions (as is natural with new tech). As for the phone games.. I may get it on my Ipad since it seems to be turned based. You are right though.. this SCREAMS a switch port since there's no hope for a good copy of 7R to hit the Switch.. like.. ever. LOL The release of the chapters and the price they want for each chapter (since they are calling it a service) has me worried but we have a whole year or so until it comes out. I love the chibi versions and I expect a retcon again (since they did say it's a remake as well) since they plan to shove everything and the kitchen sink into this thing. I mean.. a game of Advent Children I'm actually looking forward to until I remember the part with the kids.. I mean.. we get to play at the crazy Sephi-triplets? Though playing as the Turks should be interesting. Edit: I have only watched the previous games. I HATED the gameplay of Dirge and it was painful to watch even if Vincent is my favorite of the FF7 Characters.. they totally did him dirty with that horrible story and even worse "gameplay". Weiss is just.. uuuuuuuuuugh.. he's annoying but totally a Nomura character. No wonder he managed to shove him in VR for Part of of 7R. Glad he's no longer directing though. That's a relief yet him still being creative director only gives him free reign to add more stupid stuff. LOL Crisis Core also watched a compilation because GACKT is friggin' annoying even if I find the concept of Genesis as a character interesting. The other one was a phone game in Japan? I've only seen cutscenes of it I think (if that is the "anime" I saw.. now I have them confused). We are not discussing First Soldier... I actually kind of want to play First Soldier... lol. Well, not on my phone anyway. I don't like any of the FF7 expanded universe. AC has fun action sequences at set pieces, but the story is a disaster. Before Crisis I know very little about, but I can't imagine it's very good as an early phone game. Dirge I hate. Crisis Core is pretty dumb too though it has moments... And yeah, I forgot the dlc was PS5 exclusive... pretty s***ty of them (I do have a ps5 though). But it makes me think the future installments of remake won't be coming out on PS4. No real reason to make the DLC exclusive otherwise. Seems like they are trying to rip off that bandaid now. Also happy Nomura is no longer directing, but I'm sure his finger prints will be over the rest of the games regardless. At least I have my expectations in check going forward. They can't pull the wool over my eyes twice, lol. But yeah, hoping Ever Crisis is good. I hope the episodic nature doesn't mean large portions of the OG are cut out. I've always wanted an upscaled version of FF7 that I could recommend to my friends (since so many people won't even touch the original due to its graphics). Was hoping remake would be that but it's kind of hard to recommend to first timers.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 1, 2021 1:46:00 GMT -5
An "actual" ff7 remake, but it's for phones only... good lord SE why do you do this to me, lol. Time to milk the cow I'm still laughing at Weiss being back. As expected.. Max had a coronary when he came up. Good ol' Dirge of Cerberus rearing it's ugly head. It was to be expected honestly. FF7R is the culmination of the compilation. Just hoping this Ever Crisis is good and actually covers the original game. It sounds like it's chapter based so I'm assuming a lot of stuff will be cut. Combat looks different too. Also no chance in hell I'm gonna play it on my phone, but I am cautiously optimistic for now. Not gonna play the remakes of Dirge, AC, BC, or CC though Also, as much as remake made me mad, I like Yuffie way too much to not buy the probably $30 DLC. Ugh.
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Post by Badalight on Feb 26, 2021 2:27:44 GMT -5
An "actual" ff7 remake, but it's for phones only... good lord SE why do you do this to me, lol.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 18, 2020 22:37:58 GMT -5
Okay good, someone else necro'd my thread so I don't have to!
Junsei Ryou FINAL SEASON is here!
Episodes will be going out every Friday.
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Post by Badalight on Nov 6, 2020 10:11:13 GMT -5
I'm not gonna claim to be at all knowledgeable on the topic, but I'd wager with a split congress the chances of anything happening are slim.
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Post by Badalight on Nov 5, 2020 3:38:52 GMT -5
aaaaaand here we go again
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Post by Badalight on Sept 19, 2020 21:56:03 GMT -5
Hiroshi Takai I don't think I've played any of his games. Last Remnant and the Saga series. Hmm heard of both but played neither. Yup, same. Kinda glad other people are getting a chance at making FF games. The vets are tied up with FF7R. Pretty clear from the trailer that this is the lesser of the two projects, but I'm excited for it.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 18, 2020 16:18:04 GMT -5
*cough DEMON'S Souls *cough I agree. I'm going to try and buy one, but these pre-orders have been a mess, lol. Pretty clear they changed their pre-order date at the last minute to beat Microsoft and it's kinda blowing up in their faces. I'm fine with whatever setting they want for FF, and since we're already getting 7 remake, this setting is trying something different. I'm just happy that Yoshida is producing it because I know there's no way this is gonna be an FF7R, FF13, FF15, or KH3 fiasco with him at the helm. He knows how to get things done. Also, FF games are usually visual showpieces that are years ahead of the curve graphically. FF16 looks good, but it clearly is not trying to push the limits of gaming visuals like their last few titles have all tried to do. That's honestly good because SE's obsession with graphics has really hurt their productivity. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if we get this game in early 2022. I'm not really familiar with the director's work. I'm also not a big fan of the main character's design, but whatever. Combat looks good for an action game. I feel like SE answered my prayers here. I said if they wanted to do an action game then they need to hire people who make action games instead of trying these weird hybrid systems or hiring people who have never worked on action games. It was clear in FF13 and FF15 that they wanted to make action games but felt some pull not to do so. Seems like they have finally decided to just go all in on the action and they hired staff from Devil May Cry (pretty much the best action combat you're gonna get outside of platinum). I'm just personally tired of these half measures. Either give me turn based or action. No more weird hybrids. I ended up vibing with FF7R's combat by the end, but I'd still just prefer they choose one or the other. So yeah, no complaints from me. Their A team is working on FF7R2 and staff from the 14 team seem to be working on this. I wonder if it takes place in Eorzea. Omg yes Demon Souls Who is the Director for 16? I haven't checked. Hiroshi Takai I don't think I've played any of his games. Last Remnant and the Saga series.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 17, 2020 19:50:10 GMT -5
FF16 being made by Yoshida, like I predicted.Very excited about that news, though I wasn't super excited by the trailer itself. I'm glad he stuck to his idea of going back to high fantasy. That was his idea from the beginning and the only reason why he agreed to take the job a couple years ago. I was very happy with the presentation. Sony is getting better at it. The earlier one this year from both Microsoft and Sony were terrible. Seems they are getting the message that people want succinct game related information in bite sized formats. So far I'm happy with what I saw with FFXVI, Vergil DLC for Devil May Cry, and Dark Souls looks AMAZING. We are holding off on buying a PS5 until probably God of War next year which I estimate will be Holiday 2021. By then all the kinks will be out from the new system. *cough DEMON'S Souls *cough I agree. I'm going to try and buy one, but these pre-orders have been a mess, lol. Pretty clear they changed their pre-order date at the last minute to beat Microsoft and it's kinda blowing up in their faces. I'm fine with whatever setting they want for FF, and since we're already getting 7 remake, this setting is trying something different. I'm just happy that Yoshida is producing it because I know there's no way this is gonna be an FF7R, FF13, FF15, or KH3 fiasco with him at the helm. He knows how to get things done. Also, FF games are usually visual showpieces that are years ahead of the curve graphically. FF16 looks good, but it clearly is not trying to push the limits of gaming visuals like their last few titles have all tried to do. That's honestly good because SE's obsession with graphics has really hurt their productivity. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if we get this game in early 2022. I'm not really familiar with the director's work. I'm also not a big fan of the main character's design, but whatever. Combat looks good for an action game. I feel like SE answered my prayers here. I said if they wanted to do an action game then they need to hire people who make action games instead of trying these weird hybrid systems or hiring people who have never worked on action games. It was clear in FF13 and FF15 that they wanted to make action games but felt some pull not to do so. Seems like they have finally decided to just go all in on the action and they hired staff from Devil May Cry (pretty much the best action combat you're gonna get outside of platinum). I'm just personally tired of these half measures. Either give me turn based or action. No more weird hybrids. I ended up vibing with FF7R's combat by the end, but I'd still just prefer they choose one or the other. So yeah, no complaints from me. Their A team is working on FF7R2 and staff from the 14 team seem to be working on this. I wonder if it takes place in Eorzea.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 16, 2020 19:20:17 GMT -5
FF16 being made by Yoshida, like I predicted.Very excited about that news, though I wasn't super excited by the trailer itself.
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Post by Badalight on Aug 26, 2020 11:44:36 GMT -5
I heard from a little birdie that Olivia Munn is in talks to get back, which seems wild to me. I've never heard any good stories from the people who worked with her. Her stock has also risen a lot so I don't know why she'd need or want to do it either.
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Post by Badalight on May 29, 2020 6:14:58 GMT -5
I haven't been doing so well so I took a break off games that require extreme concentration. So I've been on Animal Crossing or just laying down. I do want to go back to it. Oh btw.. I got the 7/8 disk limited soundtrack. It's.. amazing.. I'm excited to hear it! The soundtrack was definitely a highlight of the game despite them ruining a few of my favorite songs (what the hell happened to oppressed people? lol).
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Post by Badalight on May 20, 2020 2:56:18 GMT -5
How's the progress?
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Post by Badalight on Apr 29, 2020 15:52:52 GMT -5
Let's be honest, the game was going to sell well no matter what - if it was the best game of all time, or the worst game of all time. I'm not gonna downplay the numbers, but FF15 had a stronger opening week. I would've expected FF7R to be their fastest selling title.
I disagree about the story of the original. I really love the story. It pulls off something really special with making the main character an unreliable narrator and then switching that role onto the villain. The double fake-out with Cloud's identity is incredibly well done. Him removing his helmet is seriously probably my favorite moment in gaming. It also has one of my favorite video game endings.
The rampant speculation doesn't do it for me anymore. Not after being dragged along for 15 years with the KH story (which is half my entire life, mind you). Seemingly this is going to take longer than even they initially planned on. I don't expect us to see the ending until 2030 at least.
edit: With the Ultimania coming out and being translated, I don't even know how much speculation there is anymore. Nomura is already confirming many of the theories. Very odd.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 29, 2020 9:16:49 GMT -5
I have at least a decent idea of how Japanese companies are; I did work for one for 3 years Well if you're intrigued, that's great. I'm very happy for the people that are enjoying it. For me personally, it just feels very much like Advent Children. By that I mean, it starts to become more flash than substance, the plot doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and its themes are antithetical to the original game (even the game existing is antithetical to Sakuguchi's vision of what Final Fantasy should be). I don't really think that's the direction a company should go with for a game titled "remake", at least not one that people have been frothing at the bits to play for nearly 20 years. If it was a less well renowned game, or a newer game, I don't think the direction would be so controversial. Even though the game goes in some weird directions, I'm more of the mindset that they did it mostly to screw with people and to have a more fun and cinematic ending to a game that would otherwise end on just an okay note. Personally, I think that kind of undercuts moments that happen (or might not happen?) in future games, but who really knows. I think the future games will play out largely in the same way as this first one with main story beats being hit with some key changes to throw people off. Reading interviews from the new Ultimania has put me a little more at ease, but I fundamentally disagree with this direction and I refuse to get excited for another SE product for the forseeable future. The ending does feel Kingdom Heartsy to me. As for who is in charge, I read an interview recently that suggested Kitase's involvement was actually quite minimal and that Nomura was the big player here. Paraphrasing here because I can't find the interview at this exact moment, but it said that Nomura created the basic outline for the story and handed it off to Nojima, and everyone in the team (Kitase included) went to Nomura anytime they had questions. Like with any game, you can't pin the blame or accolades on one man, but I think it's pretty clear from interviews that Nomura was the biggest player of this project, but I can see Toriyama's fingerprints all over the game as well.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 28, 2020 11:06:24 GMT -5
I appreciate the well thought out post. Again, I think this is something we can more clearly talk about once you've finished. My beef is not about the game being different. As you outlined, they were clear about that. This isn't about me either. I've thought from day 1 this game would turn into Kingdom Hearts, so none of this comes as a surprise to me. In some ways, it's actually closer to what I wanted than what I originally thought it would be. The characters are mostly on point and certainly the closest they've been in any media made after the original game. Cloud and Aerith specifically have never even approximated their original characterization in most media since. But I think it's fair to say from the public response that most people were not expecting what we got in the final product, mostly in regards to the ending. "Nomura never EVER talks in absolutes" And that's somewhat of a problem. Of course, it's easy to see the trail of breadcrumbs after the fact. All of the interviews make sense after playing the game, but again, most people did not see this ending coming. One could argue that if Nomura was more straightforward that it would've ruined the surprise. I totally understand that argument; though, I personally prefer when companies are more upfront about their products. That's who Nomura is though. Surprising players gives him life, and that has obviously worked out very well for him. I'm jut personally tired being strung along. I'm not sure that necessarily matches up with what you said just a few weeks ago. Noooooo. no way he's alive. The most I see is that they tease him for the next set of games. The thing that is different is that he was unhurt there (in every iteration he was shot - original game was a couple quick bursts.. in Crisis Core was this dramatic a** send off in a hail of bullets in a rainstorm. If anything what I see is that Cloud is reminiscing and thinks HE was the one standing there (he is after all wearing Zacks clothes and thinks he was Zack. The thing also is that there's this haze/lifestream floating around in the scene so it's making me think it's a dream sequence. You'll probably get your gift of Jenova/Sephiroth utterly messing with his mind. I see that more than anything. Zack is the big a** reveal at the end of the game after Mideal. There's no way they will spoil that. The rest of the story even the Nibelheim stuff is backstory but the identity of Cloud is HUGE. I think they did that to absolutely screw with the Veterans of the games because they will tune in to the next games to see OMG ZACK AAAHHHH. It's a tease and a big one because most of the reaction videos I saw EVERYONE went berserk when they saw that.
Also.. If Aerith lives there will be riots.. No way they are going to screw that up. If anything they will milk her for this game and the next (because she's totally dead next game.. City of the Ancients is pretty early - disk 1) and make her death DEVASTATING. Hell.. Look what they are doing with AVALANCHE. Most people didn't care in the original or even forgot about Jessie, Biggs and Wedge.. now.. not so much. New people are going to be gutted they die. They won't mess with the story's main points. It's the peripheral they will absolutely change and add to. Main points of Cloud/Sephiroth/Aerith/Zack will stay as they are but tweaked to add more context. I'll eat a shoe if anything changes fundamentally. No point of hunting for Black Materia if White Materia holder is alive.. You are right.. TOTALLY different story if that happens. They assured they won't change the fundamentals but will tweak the story around it. I'm looking forward to it!
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Post by Badalight on Apr 27, 2020 13:05:31 GMT -5
Nitpick = bitching and that's all there is to it. They haven't lied and you are only hearing what you want. Accusing people of deception is beyond the pale and I have zero tolerance for it. I'm done. Finish the game and let me know if you still believe that because that's what my argument is based on, and I'm far from the only person saying it. I can't make an argument without spoiling the game, so we're coming at this from two different levels of knowledge of the content. I am not talking about chapters 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, etc... I am literally talking about how the game ends. I haven't touched those portions of the game to bolster my argument out of respect for your playthrough. (And that's not even getting to the fact that they said advent children and the rest was non-canon, but obviously they are. That's a lie no matter how you slice it.) www.finalfantasyunion.com/news/3357/tetsuya-nomura-reveals-compilation-of-ffvii-is-not-canon-to-ffvii-remake/And self labeling something as nitpicking isn't bitching. It's an acknowledgement that certain complaints are minor and self focused - ergo pretty much the opposite of bitching. Though you're right, the control mapping issue is not a nitpick. That's a major complaint. Would you like to explain to my best friend why he's not allowed to play FF7 because he has cerebral palsy and SE decided they wouldn't let him map the controls like every other AAA game does?
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Post by Badalight on Apr 24, 2020 10:40:22 GMT -5
Sorry I got a Nintendo Switch with Animal Crossing and life disappeared for 2 days.. straight.. ehem I'm happy you took time to say you actually liked the game. My fundamental thought on the ANY game is that if you don't enjoy the core mechanics you stop playing the game. You spent now paragraphs complaining about the combat. Combat is a core mechanic of the game (which is why I refused to even buy Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy 15). I hated the combat so despite any benefit I would have liked from the story I can always go to YouTube and look at it from there withing financially supporting it. I talked about the demo because unlike other demos this is an accurate presentation of everything there is to this game. If you played the demo you would have complained about the combat and made the decision if you wanted to buy the game based on the combat. Complaining about it after it makes no sense given it's been 5 years since they announced how it was going to be, showed a year's or more worth of actual gameplay and let you play the first chapter for free as a way to make an informed decision. So ignoring literally everything tied to that then going on and on about how YOU thought the combat should have been after it's already done and presented to you in painstaking detail just made your entire argument petty. That's not criticism. That's bitching. Nothing you say will change it. It's about either accepting it or not accepting it. Complaining about the scorpion fight (earlier post) when everyone already made their decision a month before you purchased the game is bitching. You are a month late on "criticism" of the core mechanic and functionality of the game. You brought up Kingdom Hearts, FF13 and even Dynasty Warriors. It's neither of those nor should that be a topic of conversation when there was a demo already telling you it wasn't going to be. See the problem? That's not criticism. Criticism is not liking what was not in the demo. Changes to story. Pacing of chapters. Camera problems in small corridors (something that was not in the demo). Texture pops of backgrounds when you are walking around. Even endgame stuff (which I'm not there yet but seems significant). THAT is criticism. Your whole earlier posts all were telegraphed clearly from day 1 and actual gameplay with the ability to try before you buy with an accurate presentation of the product for over a month (and year if you went to conventions which I did not). Liking/not liking a game after you've played it is a review. They don't have to be positive either. But that should be content that is IN the game and not what someone's preconceived notions were before they picked it up. Masking it as "they weren't straight forward" is just wrong. They couldn't have been more clear. YOU chose to ignore it because it would mask your enjoyment of the game. It's not their failure.. it's yours. YOU chose to ignore what they gave you because you wanted to be surprised. THEN lie saying they lied to you. They didn't. They were clear. They were obvious. They were transparent. They want people to understand the direction they are going for this and future games. They took feedback for a full year. They even changed a few things along the way based on that feedback. To say they lied is just flat out wrong. So yes I get defensive on that. I've been thrown under the bus so many times for giving out TOO much information so the idea that others have and you chose to ignore it then accuse them of doing what YOU did is just.. wrong. I'd say something stronger but I'm sure you get my drift. As for me liking/not liking it. For the 7 chapters I've seen I still am not happy with the combat but I dumbed it down so I can judge the story. The story I like. It's a new twist with a mix and spirit of the old. Like I mentioned before, It's their story. They can do wtf they want with it. The original is still there. Still available to purchase in literally every form of medium their is. I can judge the remake for what it is once the whole thing is out. Yes they are smashing all of the universes together in this version from Crisis Core to Advent Children. If anything I'm happy they are doing it this way rather than making us play those god-awful games (Crisis core and omg Dirge of Cerberus sucked and the movie while nostalgic was not that great). They were not forthcoming with what this game/series of games really is. If they were, people wouldn't be so shocked by how the game ends. Again, revisit this point once you've finished so we can talk in detail. I don't know what details you know, and I'm not gonna spoil anything. The average consumer is also not like you or me. They are not reading every interview Nomura and Kitase and co put out. Slapping the word "remake" on the box when the game is not a remake is gross. This comment and my original comment about this were not about the the combat. SE were very clear on that. I have no issues with how that was advertised. I am talking about the story. Most of my complaints were not things that could be gleamed from the demo alone. Yes, the demo would've given me a good sense of the combat. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you think if I played the demo that I wouldn't have purchased the game? My point in bringing up other franchises was that I regularly play games with bad combat. I've even complimented parts of the battle system and said it's uniqueness makes it fun and interesting. That's so far down my list of complaints. The game could have no combat and I'd probably be okay with that. You're complaining about the combat just as much as I am. You have a fundamental problem with it being more action oriented. I have no issues with that direction what so ever. SE has been trying for years to successfully make this hybrid system and they fail time and time again. They tried in FF13, they tried in KH, they tried in FF15, and they tried again here. I think this is their best attempt at it yet, but it's not quite there. That's why I think they should choose to either make it an action game or a turn based game. I don't know why we're spending so much energy on this point when we agree that the combat has problems. I'm not here for the combat though. I wasn't even there for the combat in the original. I'm here for the story and characters. I don't really care if the combat sucks, but that doesn't mean it's free from criticism. The demo would not have prepared me for the lame sidequests, the changes to the story, the pacing of the game, the frequent walk and talk section, the bad textures in the slums, etc. But let's be real, I would've bought the game regardless. Even if all of those things were in the demo, it still doesn't make it immune to criticism. You can't say "They let you try their bad game out for free and you bought it anyway, so you're not allowed to criticize it!" These are all perfectly valid points to bring up in a conversation. How much they affects one's enjoyment is up to them. Youtube videos are free to watch. Am I not allowed to criticize them because they're free? I don't really understand that line of thinking. I think you are seeing only what you want to see when it comes to my posts. You're coming at them with preconceived notions of what you think - like I have some bone to pick with this game. I wanted to like this game just as much as everyone else. There's enough bad stuff going on in the world and I'd love a good game to take my mind off of it. Again, I do not have buyer's remorse. I am not regretting my purchase. Anytime I spend money on anything I prepare myself for the worst. The game could've started, given me the middle finger, and destroyed the disc and I would've thought "well, that's unfortunate". I always keep my expectations in check. Me pointing out that it has similarities to FF13 when the majority of the FF13 team worked on this game is completely fair. That's an objective truth. And I'm not just talking about the gameplay. It's the map design and so much more. "Changes to story. Pacing of chapters. Texture pops of backgrounds when you are walking around." These are all complaints I have made in previous posts, so I don't really get your point there. You're saying those are fair criticisms, and those are exact criticisms that I made. So my criticisms are fair now? I also want to re-emphasize that this entire conversation started after I labeled these at NITPICKS I don't think you wanna hear about the stuff I REALLY dislike. As a sidenote, just because you might stop playing a game because you dislike the core mechanics doesn't mean I do or have to. I played through the entirety of KH3 and hated virtually every second of it. There are plenty of reasons to finish a bad game: to be part of the conversation, to form valid and complete opinions about the product, to get your money's worth, to be able to have conversations with an informed opinion, etc... Imagine if I dropped the game 3 hours in and had complaints. People would say "yeah but, you didn't finish it so your opinion is meaningless". I wouldn't fault you if you stopped playing a game you don't like. That's perfectly reasonable. But I also don't think you can fault me for playing a game I paid for.
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