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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 9:59:17 GMT -5
I wanna see Nagano do something like this next year, he's 100x a better role model than Yamada is.
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Post by wolf4537 on Jun 19, 2016 16:15:25 GMT -5
I wanna see Nagano do something like this next year, he's 100x a better role model than Yamada is. I definitely agree with this. I like Yamada but I don't think he should be the one giving advice.
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 19, 2016 17:29:08 GMT -5
From the last video of Yamada that TBS posted (the one of him giving lessons), the time limit for Stage 1 is confirmed to be 115 seconds.
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Post by Madze on Jun 19, 2016 17:33:25 GMT -5
From the last video of Yamada that TBS posted (the one of him giving lessons), the time limit for Stage 1 is confirmed to be 115 seconds. Is that a good or bad thing?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 19, 2016 18:13:47 GMT -5
Considering how fast paced the Double Pendulum is compared to the Tick Tock and the Jump Hang Kai it replaced that sounds like a fine time limit, slowest obstacles are Orugooru, Tackle and possibly the Quad Steps if people cat them
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 19, 2016 18:57:40 GMT -5
-5 Seconds from 31 for a Quad Steps and a significantly faster OB4. From what we know I'd assume it's probably slightly more lenient time limit than 31 but a harder course (Harder OB1, Harder Music Box)
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jun 20, 2016 8:35:24 GMT -5
To me Yamada's doing this, because he's willing to accept any offer that will bring him close to his favorite thing in the world. Yes I know, it's a sad story, but he prefers to avoid all these comments. Personally, I'm glad to see him smiling and having fun doing all these videos, rather than crying and distancing himself from everyone and everything. This is the Yamada I want to see more often
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 20, 2016 10:15:20 GMT -5
To me Yamada's doing this, because he's willing to accept any offer that will bring him close to his favorite thing in the world. Yes I know, it's a sad story, but he prefers to avoid all these comments. Personally, I'm glad to see him smiling and having fun doing all these videos, rather than crying and distancing himself from everyone and everything. This is the Yamada I want to see more often I know a lot of people dislike him but he's my 2nd favourite All Star after Nagano and I'm just happy that he is still related to the SASUKE world. He's a ratings booster and is willing to make himself look like an idiot just so he can be on a show that he literally devoted his whole life to (he lost his job just to try and win at SASUKE, not for any financial gain, just because he loves the show). I have nothing but respect for Yamada and yes he may have pulled some dick moves over the years but I think most of the time he is justified for how much of his human life he has devoted to a TV show. However I also find it funny how people should be taking obstacle advice from a guy who literally failed the first obstacle on Stage 1 and who hasn't beaten Stage 1 in over a decade lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 10:19:57 GMT -5
Aren't we going a bit off-topic? I thought this was the Obstacles thread...not a petition to unban Yamada
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Post by arsenette on Jun 20, 2016 10:20:09 GMT -5
(he lost his job just to try and win at SASUKE, not for any financial gain, just because he loves the show). I have nothing but respect for Yamada and yes he may have pulled some dick moves over the years but I think most of the time he is justified for how much of his human life he has devoted to a TV show. I need clarification on this subject. Where are you getting he was fired because he loves Sasuke? And.. the wording on the justification part.. justification for abuse? There's never any justification for that. I think the wording on that makes it sound like you are okay with everything he did because he loves the show so much.
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 20, 2016 10:54:59 GMT -5
(he lost his job just to try and win at SASUKE, not for any financial gain, just because he loves the show). I have nothing but respect for Yamada and yes he may have pulled some dick moves over the years but I think most of the time he is justified for how much of his human life he has devoted to a TV show. I need clarification on this subject. Where are you getting he was fired because he loves Sasuke? And.. the wording on the justification part.. justification for abuse? There's never any justification for that. I think the wording on that makes it sound like you are okay with everything he did because he loves the show so much. From what has been presented on the 31 previous SASUKE tournaments and what I have seen I highly respect Yamada. My opinion has nothing on your personal experiences with Yamada and backstage politics. But I don't like you calling me out for my opinion when I haven't met Yamada personally and am not as privy to backstage politics as you are when me and 99% of the SASUKE audience don't know/ aren't interested in how people act interact backstage so I will obviously have a different opinion to you. I believe he quit his steel job to train for SASUKE and then he pursued a different career afterwards because he couldn't continue to pursue a career in Steel works, so he lost his job due to SASUKE as it was impossible to continue both (could be wrong but this was how it was presented in the UK). So yes I am fine with everything he did because he loves the show so much because that's how it's been presented in every official SASUKE tournament. Yamada is one of my favourite competitors and I highly respect the fact that he devoted 15+ years of his life to something that he truly enjoyed and believed in. So yes I am okay with everything he did because he loves the show so much, and if you have a different viewpoint I respect that and that's your opinion.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 20, 2016 11:02:46 GMT -5
I need clarification on this subject. Where are you getting he was fired because he loves Sasuke? And.. the wording on the justification part.. justification for abuse? There's never any justification for that. I think the wording on that makes it sound like you are okay with everything he did because he loves the show so much. From what has been presented on the 31 previous SASUKE tournaments and what I have seen I highly respect Yamada. My opinion has nothing on your personal experiences with Yamada and backstage politics. But I don't like you calling me out for my opinion when I haven't met Yamada personally and am not as privy to backstage politics as you are when me and 99% of the SASUKE audience don't know/ aren't interested in how people act interact backstage so I will obviously have a different opinion to you. I believe he quit his steel job to train for SASUKE and then he pursued a different career afterwards because he couldn't continue to pursue a career in Steel works, so he lost his job due to SASUKE as it was impossible to continue both (could be wrong but this was how it was presented in the UK). So yes I am fine with everything he did because he loves the show so much because that's how it's been presented in every official SASUKE tournament. Yamada is one of my favourite competitors and I highly respect the fact that he devoted 15+ years of his life to something that he truly enjoyed and believed in. So yes I am okay with everything he did because he loves the show so much, and if you have a different viewpoint I respect that and that's your opinion. I asked clarification because none of that was ever presented on camera. Knowing you are getting that from UK broadcast is why I'm asking where you got it from. In none of the broadcasts was he ever presented as leaving his job for Sasuke. Not in the TBS version, JET version, G4TV version either. So if this is new information it is from the UK version. My own opinions and knowledge have nothing to do with the question. I want to know how this rumor started. You can like him. I don't care. I don't like false rumors being spread by anyone about anyone which is why I wanted to know where this new information was coming from. If you want to believe that's why he was fired from his wife's family business (twice) because he wanted to focus on Sasuke then so be it. That information did not come any broadcast but extrapolated by your own desire to fit the narrative. Like him for his determination and perseverance but don't lecture me on "facts" that only came from your imagination. The TV information doesn't support it. As for abuse from Yamada.. there's never any justification for it and he apologized years later on camera for it after being prodded by Inui to confess to it. That is of public record and still on YouTube as an official video.
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 20, 2016 11:24:53 GMT -5
From what has been presented on the 31 previous SASUKE tournaments and what I have seen I highly respect Yamada. My opinion has nothing on your personal experiences with Yamada and backstage politics. But I don't like you calling me out for my opinion when I haven't met Yamada personally and am not as privy to backstage politics as you are when me and 99% of the SASUKE audience don't know/ aren't interested in how people act interact backstage so I will obviously have a different opinion to you. I believe he quit his steel job to train for SASUKE and then he pursued a different career afterwards because he couldn't continue to pursue a career in Steel works, so he lost his job due to SASUKE as it was impossible to continue both (could be wrong but this was how it was presented in the UK). So yes I am fine with everything he did because he loves the show so much because that's how it's been presented in every official SASUKE tournament. Yamada is one of my favourite competitors and I highly respect the fact that he devoted 15+ years of his life to something that he truly enjoyed and believed in. So yes I am okay with everything he did because he loves the show so much, and if you have a different viewpoint I respect that and that's your opinion. I asked clarification because none of that was ever presented on camera. Knowing you are getting that from UK broadcast is why I'm asking where you got it from. In none of the broadcasts was he ever presented as leaving his job for Sasuke. Not in the TBS version, JET version, G4TV version either. So if this is new information it is from the UK version. My own opinions and knowledge have nothing to do with the question. I want to know how this rumor started. You can like him. I don't care. I don't like false rumors being spread by anyone about anyone which is why I wanted to know where this new information was coming from. If you want to believe that's why he was fired from his wife's family business (twice) because he wanted to focus on Sasuke then so be it. That information did not come any broadcast but extrapolated by your own desire to fit the narrative. Like him for his determination and perseverance but don't lecture me on "facts" that only came from your imagination. The TV information doesn't support it. As for abuse from Yamada.. there's never any justification for it and he apologized years later on camera for it after being prodded by Inui to confess to it. That is of public record and still on YouTube as an official video. I'm just repeating what Stuart Hall said in a NW episode from UK. From my viewing experience in the UK that's how I've always viewed it as it was mentioned by Stuart Hall that's what happened (aka former NW commentator who got done for child offences). If the truth is different from that then that's fine and I apologise, I guess G4/ UK commentators are not entirely accurate when it comes to SASUKE lore . Cheers for summarising it up however to the best of my knowledge that was what I thought it was, I wasn't spouting false rumors to the best of my knowledge (I don't watch G4 version/can't understand Japanese so Uk version is my main information source). Again no Yamada abuse was presented on the UK version or even during the 25-31 broadcasts I have watched live, the only one I am privy to is the 24 Yuuji Shoes controversy. His apology both being on youtube and again in Japanese means I have no knowledge of this so from my point of view Yamada has done little wrong. Anyway as this is getting really off topic now I apologise if my opinion offended you in any way but as a fan of SASUKE it is what I believe in whether it is correct or not as that is how Yamada has been presented to me.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 20, 2016 11:43:10 GMT -5
I asked clarification because none of that was ever presented on camera. Knowing you are getting that from UK broadcast is why I'm asking where you got it from. In none of the broadcasts was he ever presented as leaving his job for Sasuke. Not in the TBS version, JET version, G4TV version either. So if this is new information it is from the UK version. My own opinions and knowledge have nothing to do with the question. I want to know how this rumor started. You can like him. I don't care. I don't like false rumors being spread by anyone about anyone which is why I wanted to know where this new information was coming from. If you want to believe that's why he was fired from his wife's family business (twice) because he wanted to focus on Sasuke then so be it. That information did not come any broadcast but extrapolated by your own desire to fit the narrative. Like him for his determination and perseverance but don't lecture me on "facts" that only came from your imagination. The TV information doesn't support it. As for abuse from Yamada.. there's never any justification for it and he apologized years later on camera for it after being prodded by Inui to confess to it. That is of public record and still on YouTube as an official video. I'm just repeating what Stuart Hall said in a NW episode from UK. From my viewing experience in the UK that's how I've always viewed it as it was mentioned by Stuart Hall that's what happened (aka former NW commentator who got done for child offences). If the truth is different from that then that's fine and I apologise, I guess G4/ UK commentators are not entirely accurate when it comes to SASUKE lore . Cheers for summarising it up however to the best of my knowledge that was what I thought it was, I wasn't spouting false rumors to the best of my knowledge (I don't watch G4 version/can't understand Japanese so Uk version is my main information source). Again no Yamada abuse was presented on the UK version or even during the 25-31 broadcasts I have watched live, the only one I am privy to is the 24 Yuuji Shoes controversy. His apology both being on youtube and again in Japanese means I have no knowledge of this so from my point of view Yamada has done little wrong. Anyway as this is getting really off topic now I apologise if my opinion offended you in any way but as a fan of SASUKE it is what I believe in whether it is correct or not as that is how Yamada has been presented to me. The show is presented worldwide by 150+ countries and Lord knows all kinds of stuff is presented as fact. I remember listening to the Spanish one and being horrified by what I heard. LOL I remember Stuart well and his mancrush for Nagano was pretty epic on the boards. LOL Yamada's story has been muddied by a lot of different storylines. Some see him as a heel others as a tragic figure, etc. I have a strong dislike for anyone who is abusive and that was Katsumi. There are more reasons honestly but anyone I hear that there is any justification (however minor) for abuse I have a really hard time with that. His problems are well known in Japan and that's the reason no one spends time with him. On the broadcasts they never show him with others behind the scenes for a reason. He really is isolated and has been for years. We've had arguments on the boards about the "persona" of Yamada and nothing will ever change that. Some will love him and some will hate him and many will be ambivalent to him. My biggest concern is what the new information about him was being taught as fact and permeating these forums. It gets difficult listening to something you know to be false in an attempt to glorify someone you know is reviled in Japan. If someone said something that was false about anyone else I would be up in arms as well and would want to know where it came from. Yamada's is a touchy subject.
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jun 20, 2016 13:57:36 GMT -5
The whole Yamada/Abusive Past story got me curious. I don't like conversations who barely touch the topic so, if it's allowed here (or in a PM) what exactly happened with Yamada in the past?
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Post by arsenette on Jun 20, 2016 14:01:41 GMT -5
The whole Yamada/Abusive Past story got me curious. I don't like conversations who barely touch the topic so, if it's allowed here (or in a PM) what exactly happened with Yamada in the past? There's a thread at least once a year and even this year there was one that has several pages with details. I think it's still in the General Sasuke thread.
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jun 20, 2016 19:49:15 GMT -5
The whole Yamada/Abusive Past story got me curious. I don't like conversations who barely touch the topic so, if it's allowed here (or in a PM) what exactly happened with Yamada in the past? There's a thread at least once a year and even this year there was one that has several pages with details. I think it's still in the General Sasuke thread. I don't really visit this place that much, so no wonder I haven't seen anything. Will try to find the thread. Thanks
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Post by dlee on Jun 20, 2016 21:27:06 GMT -5
Could someone link the Yamada apology video? I have never seen it nor could i find in on youtube or the sasuke rising channel
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 20, 2016 21:33:44 GMT -5
Could someone link the Yamada apology video? I have never seen it nor could i find in on youtube or the sasuke rising channel That was the interview thing, that's literally one of the first videos from the Sasuke Rising channel...
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Post by dlee on Jun 20, 2016 21:40:46 GMT -5
Yes i watched this. Was this supposed to be an apology? What did he actually confess to? other than looking down at people not good at sports. I dont believe "abuse" ever gets bought up either.
hmm I believe i have been a tad mis-lead with the content of this interview
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