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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 25, 2016 19:51:36 GMT -5
You realize besides all these factors (Travel, size difference of obstacles, nerves) that on top of all that many obstacles are made from different materials? Like I'll list a few obvious examples, Salmon Ladder rungs are always wood in Japan, but they've been Metal in America since Season 5, this means that they're much smoother and the bar has much more movement, easier to slip out if you're not careful, the bar spins in the rungs (and in turn your hands) a bit. Trampolines are metal spring in ANW instead of elastic band in Sasuke (and on top of that, placed on top of the platforms instead of the platforms being built around the trampolines to have the pad center with the ground). You have a flat surface with a metal bar lip on top of the WW instead of a hole your hands can sink into, ropes have a waxy coat making them red instead of the bare ropes in Japan. For those who were in 25 and 26 the Doorknobs are different size and shape, the Floating Boards were more flat in japan with lips at the end when they're just thick and flat in America. And also the fact Sasuke has never used Atomik holds but they're very common in ANW. These are just a few examples, if you want to compare the differences of ATS vs TBS (and formerly Monster9) construction the list can go on waaaay farther...
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Post by arsenette on Feb 25, 2016 20:38:32 GMT -5
I know everyone loves Team Japan but can we just be real for a minute? What is going on with them? I understand nerves, i understand travel, i understand a lack-of-experience in international competitions, i understand the obstacles are bigger, i understand they didn't get a chance to train on the obstacles like the other teams. I get it! But please, they didn't choke this year! Choking is falling on the last hurdle, missing the last shot, dropping the last catch. Consistently performing terribly 3 years running means performing poorly is the norm. What do they need to do to steady the ship? I think this year they had the best team/chance to do well. I would kinda like to see Yuuji back but i dont know. Say if you were coaching Team Japan, what would be your next move to try and improve the performance next year? I agree that the word choke would be considered harsh but that's the wording or phrasing they used and feel they did on their own. So while it may be harsh they did get really overwhelmed and distracted by their surroundings. They were embarrassed not because they performed badly but because they KNOW they can do better and just freaked out because they weren't in Sasuke. They were awed by the production in ANW. They couldn't believe the amount of lights, production crew.. the pomp and circumstance. Hell Kong likened it from going from a National championships (Sasuke) to the Olympics with the worldwide press (ANW). They couldn't believe how big it was not just in scale (because honestly it's the same size) but in grandeur and the size of the audience and the loudness of the audience and the fact it was on the strip and you see the hotels and the lights and the people and the omg.. crash my legs are like jelly wtf. Morimoto and Ryo tried to explain it to them but they just didn't believe them. So they said they choked even though they were fully prepared. The biggest problem with Japan in general over the past few years is experience. ANW guys go through a grueling process for weeks heading up to Vegas. Japan doesn't have that. They've been lucky that they have specialists like Ryo and Morimoto or they would have been blown out way before. First year they had Shingo which frankly is well past his prime. I love him to death but he can't hang against the Americans. He was there to start the team and get their feet wet. That helped a lot because he was the voice of reason and had the pep talks (especially the political talks with being in NBC/ANW country that the guys still use to this day to handle that nonsense). Yuuji if you remember from previous blogs I explained is going through a crisis in confidence where he honestly thought he was done and it was his job to pass the mantle to Ryo. That has changed how he dealt with training and how he approached competition. He got his doors blown off when he got to "everything is HUGE here" land in Vegas. He retreated into depression back in Japan and refused to return for USA vs. World. Then THOSE guys who are past their peak and are on their way down got the education of a lifetime. THIS year was different and they were on the right path by picking the best team possible. However, international experience is something they didn't have. They don't have competition legs. Tomo now instantly knows what went wrong. Hioki as well. Morimoto was the best of the bunch. Ryo needs to be replaced or grow a spine and possible learn to deal with not being #1. I'll stick to picking teams that are fresh from success - meaning if they did well in Sasuke THAT YEAR then take THAT TEAM to the USA. The other thing.. ENTER MORE COMPETITIONS. The fact that Team Japan is going to Vietnam is good. Send them to England and China and any other place that will take them. They need to learn how to handle audience pressure that is NOT home turf that is not other family and friends. Like a team going to an "away" game. In the podcast we talked about people and I said to bring Wreathman and William suggested Shun Nagasaki. Both are World Champions in their respective sports. They know how to deal with international pressure, distractions and jet lag. |
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Post by OwlRTA on Feb 25, 2016 21:01:15 GMT -5
In the podcast we talked about people and I said to bring Wreathman. Well he can technically compete for Team Europe as well. He's from Tahiti, a French territory, which is technically part of France  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 21:26:21 GMT -5
In the podcast we talked about people and I said to bring Wreathman. Well he can technically compete for Team Europe as well. He's from Tahiti, a French territory, which is technically part of France Livewire, McColl, Ghisolfi and Wreathman on the same team? Hell with them I don't think you'd even need a 5th. |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Feb 26, 2016 7:44:40 GMT -5
I know everyone loves Team Japan but can we just be real for a minute? What is going on with them? I understand nerves, i understand travel, i understand a lack-of-experience in international competitions, i understand the obstacles are bigger, i understand they didn't get a chance to train on the obstacles like the other teams. I get it! But please, they didn't choke this year! Choking is falling on the last hurdle, missing the last shot, dropping the last catch. Consistently performing terribly 3 years running means performing poorly is the norm. What do they need to do to steady the ship? I think this year they had the best team/chance to do well. I would kinda like to see Yuuji back but i dont know. Say if you were coaching Team Japan, what would be your next move to try and improve the performance next year? I agree that the word choke would be considered harsh but that's the wording or phrasing they used and feel they did on their own. So while it may be harsh they did get really overwhelmed and distracted by their surroundings. They were embarrassed not because they performed badly but because they KNOW they can do better and just freaked out because they weren't in Sasuke. They were awed by the production in ANW. They couldn't believe the amount of lights, production crew.. the pomp and circumstance. Hell Kong likened it from going from a National championships (Sasuke) to the Olympics with the worldwide press (ANW). They couldn't believe how big it was not just in scale (because honestly it's the same size) but in grandeur and the size of the audience and the loudness of the audience and the fact it was on the strip and you see the hotels and the lights and the people and the omg.. crash my legs are like jelly wtf. Morimoto and Ryo tried to explain it to them but they just didn't believe them. So they said they choked even though they were fully prepared. The biggest problem with Japan in general over the past few years is experience. ANW guys go through a grueling process for weeks heading up to Vegas. Japan doesn't have that. They've been lucky that they have specialists like Ryo and Morimoto or they would have been blown out way before. First year they had Shingo which frankly is well past his prime. I love him to death but he can't hang against the Americans. He was there to start the team and get their feet wet. That helped a lot because he was the voice of reason and had the pep talks (especially the political talks with being in NBC/ANW country that the guys still use to this day to handle that nonsense). Yuuji if you remember from previous blogs I explained is going through a crisis in confidence where he honestly thought he was done and it was his job to pass the mantle to Ryo. That has changed how he dealt with training and how he approached competition. He got his doors blown off when he got to "everything is HUGE here" land in Vegas. He retreated into depression back in Japan and refused to return for USA vs. World. Then THOSE guys who are past their peak and are on their way down got the education of a lifetime. THIS year was different and they were on the right path by picking the best team possible. However, international experience is something they didn't have. They don't have competition legs. Tomo now instantly knows what went wrong. Hioki as well. Morimoto was the best of the bunch. Ryo needs to be replaced or grow a spine and possible learn to deal with not being #1. I'll stick to picking teams that are fresh from success - meaning if they did well in Sasuke THAT YEAR then take THAT TEAM to the USA. The other thing.. ENTER MORE COMPETITIONS. The fact that Team Japan is going to Vietnam is good. Send them to England and China and any other place that will take them. They need to learn how to handle audience pressure that is NOT home turf that is not other family and friends. Like a team going to an "away" game. In the podcast we talked about people and I said to bring Wreathman and William suggested Shun Nagasaki. Both are World Champions in their respective sports. They know how to deal with international pressure, distractions and jet lag. You hit the nail on the head. Whilst it is was nice to have the "big names" on team Japan like Shingo and Yuuji, they really need to carry on what they did last year and just pick the best possible team. As if the deck wasn't stacked against them already, the grandeur of ANW will always catch new arrivals from Japan off guard. That is a problem that neither the Americans or Europeans have to deal with for the most part. Only when they get used to international competition, and learn to control their nerves, will they have a real shot at taking home gold. They can't always rely on stage 3 to catch up and win. They need solid stage 1 and 2 performances, and preferably clears. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 8:42:17 GMT -5
Well he can technically compete for Team Europe as well. He's from Tahiti, a French territory, which is technically part of France Livewire, McColl, Ghisolfi and Wreathman on the same team? Hell with them I don't think you'd even need a 5th. What about Miska? He's a Stage 3 specialist! |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 26, 2016 11:29:13 GMT -5
Livewire, McColl, Ghisolfi and Wreathman on the same team? Hell with them I don't think you'd even need a 5th. What about Miska? He's a Stage 3 specialist! You realize he was in the 2014 USA vs the World competition right? And he didn't run Stage 3 since he couldn't beat the Floating Boards in the practice runs Team Europe had. You do know this right? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 12:15:41 GMT -5
What about Miska? He's a Stage 3 specialist! You realize he was in the 2014 USA vs the World competition right? And he didn't run Stage 3 since he couldn't beat the Floating Boards in the practice runs Team Europe had. You do know this right? Yeah but I wanna see him return. It's a real shame he only got to run Stage 1 on TV. This guy needs more publicity as he has so much potential. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 26, 2016 12:18:42 GMT -5
You realize he was in the 2014 USA vs the World competition right? And he didn't run Stage 3 since he couldn't beat the Floating Boards in the practice runs Team Europe had. You do know this right? Yeah but I wanna see him return. It's a real shame he only got to run Stage 1 on TV. This guy needs more publicity as he has so much potential. NBC has been shifting focus with the European spin offs that they control so I doubt he'll return. Unless there is a Ninja Warrior Finland and he wins it, I don't see NBC inviting him back. He'd probably do better getting into Sasuke Japan the way things are going with USA vs. World. |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Feb 26, 2016 14:42:46 GMT -5
You realize he was in the 2014 USA vs the World competition right? And he didn't run Stage 3 since he couldn't beat the Floating Boards in the practice runs Team Europe had. You do know this right? Yeah but I wanna see him return. It's a real shame he only got to run Stage 1 on TV. This guy needs more publicity as he has so much potential. I'd prefer Perry! Guy is an absolute beast. Or maybe Teige or Toby Segar from UK. I reckon once Ninja Warrior Germany gets going, they'll have someone from there too. |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Feb 27, 2016 3:27:45 GMT -5
Hear me out... I think there should be teams of six next year, with four runs per team per stage. Right now, members of each team get two runs each, but one is stuck with just one.With what I suggested above, everyone would get two runs. Thoughts?
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Post by arsenette on Feb 27, 2016 5:26:51 GMT -5
Hear me out... I think there should be teams of six next year, with four runs per team per stage. Right now, members of each team get two runs each, but one is stuck with just one.With what I suggested above, everyone would get two runs. Thoughts? NBC won't do that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 7:02:39 GMT -5
Hear me out... I think there should be teams of six next year, with four runs per team per stage. Right now, members of each team get two runs each, but one is stuck with just one.With what I suggested above, everyone would get two runs. Thoughts? NBC won't do that. Yeah, it would take way too long and they don't have the space to show it all.  Good idea though. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 27, 2016 7:04:04 GMT -5
NBC won't do that. Yeah, it would take way too long and they don't have the space to show it all. Good idea though. My hope for the Sasuke World Cup is to address some of the criticisms of the format to USA vs. World. However, we first need to get that stupid thing off the ground! LOL |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Feb 27, 2016 7:24:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it would take way too long and they don't have the space to show it all. Good idea though. My hope for the Sasuke World Cup is to address some of the criticisms of the format to USA vs. World. However, we first need to get that stupid thing off the ground! LOL What format would you prefer? And I would also like to see larger teams there, hopefully adding up to close to 100 competitors. But there would be issues regarding the course, and the fact that NO-ONE would be allowed to test. For example, it wouldn't really be fair to have the Sasuke crazy-cliffhanger in the third stage, as only the Japanese have had the chance to experience that specific obstacle. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 27, 2016 7:42:36 GMT -5
My hope for the Sasuke World Cup is to address some of the criticisms of the format to USA vs. World. However, we first need to get that stupid thing off the ground! LOL What format would you prefer? And I would also like to see larger teams there, hopefully adding up to close to 100 competitors. But there would be issues regarding the course, and the fact that NO-ONE would be allowed to test. For example, it wouldn't really be fair to have the Sasuke crazy-cliffhanger in the third stage, as only the Japanese have had the chance to experience that specific obstacle. My contentions of ANW's format I've gone over several dozen times. I want even playing field (Every tests or everyone doesn't - for the doesn't, it can't be the same course you ran the night before, it would have to be unique or competition specific (meaning built or arranged FOR the event), group scoring (instead of head to head heats) like in Gymnastics or other team sports, obstacle scoring (instead of fastest furthest). Obstacle scoring would force everyone on each team to compete on every stage and people get to SEE everyone instead of the current format where you can theoretically only see your favorite person once. As for fairness, ANW has been American centric while Sasuke is Japan centric. That evens it out in the end. Besides.. have you SEEN how powerful the Americans are? Heck.. go back to Sasuke 27 then get back to me. LOL ♥ They can hang in Sasuke. Hell.. look at Drew! He friggin' cleared the CCH in Japan had it not been for the rules that weren't shared with him. So Americans can defeat that 3cm ledge. As for larger teams I'm all for having more teams. It's pretty sad that as janky as the Chinese course was, it was a much more enjoyable show overall because there were more teams. It still had the crappy heat scoring but they got the atmosphere right. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 27, 2016 8:21:28 GMT -5
So in your ideal format, each obstacle would be worth a set amount of points (e.g. 5 for clearing the Warped Wall), with maybe a bonus for clearing and a time bonus? The total number of points from every competitor's run would be added up for a particular stage for each team, and the one with the most points wins? Would this points total be overall in the event, or would the points be totalled after every stage? And yeah, I suppose you're right about the Americans. People like David Campbell, Drew, Brent, Brian Arnold, Isaac and Geoff are ultra strong, but I was more worried about people who have had to face "easier" courses in different countries like UK and Sweden. Yeah. For those of us who have seen and enjoyed Sportsman #1 that is my ideal format. It allows fans watching a chance to see their favorite competitor regardless if they aren't doing so hot while rewarding those who are consistent. I wouldn't put a time bonus but I would use time as a tiebreaker if there are ties after all of the runs are scored. Again, like gymnastics or any other team competition where the scoring of everyone matters. I'm partial to overall tournament points rather than stage. That way it evens out at the end for those who have specialists per stage. So let's say (as an example) Team Japan is Stage 3 heavy but USA is Stage 1 heavy but Europe is Stage 2 heavy. That way also whoever has the highest totals qualify for the final guaranteeing a final in each show. As a viewer I would find that more engaging since many people WANT to see a Final in this type of show against other teams. Other countries will catch up. Trust me on that. ♥ Heck even in ANW history, Europe won the first time they went to compete. Granted they had World Champions but you know what I mean.  |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Feb 27, 2016 8:33:56 GMT -5
So in your ideal format, each obstacle would be worth a set amount of points (e.g. 5 for clearing the Warped Wall), with maybe a bonus for clearing and a time bonus? The total number of points from every competitor's run would be added up for a particular stage for each team, and the one with the most points wins? Would this points total be overall in the event, or would the points be totalled after every stage? And yeah, I suppose you're right about the Americans. People like David Campbell, Drew, Brent, Brian Arnold, Isaac and Geoff are ultra strong, but I was more worried about people who have had to face "easier" courses in different countries like UK and Sweden. Yeah. For those of us who have seen and enjoyed Sportsman #1 that is my ideal format. It allows fans watching a chance to see their favorite competitor regardless if they aren't doing so hot while rewarding those who are consistent. I wouldn't put a time bonus but I would use time as a tiebreaker if there are ties after all of the runs are scored. Again, like gymnastics or any other team competition where the scoring of everyone matters. I'm partial to overall tournament points rather than stage. That way it evens out at the end for those who have specialists per stage. So let's say (as an example) Team Japan is Stage 3 heavy but USA is Stage 1 heavy but Europe is Stage 2 heavy. That way also whoever has the highest totals qualify for the final guaranteeing a final in each show. As a viewer I would find that more engaging since many people WANT to see a Final in this type of show against other teams. Other countries will catch up. Trust me on that. ♥ Heck even in ANW history, Europe won the first time they went to compete. Granted they had World Champions but you know what I mean. After you explained it like that... yeah, I hope that is the format they go for. It would guarantee a final and make the whole thing more engaging. But I wouldn't just want Europe, USA and Japan. I'd like it to be like X-Warrior, where they have individual countries. That way we could have Japan, USA, China, UK, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia etc... and for areas without solid ninja competitions, they could like an "Eastern Europe team" or something like that. By going for individual countries, they could keep teams relatively short and simple, whilst still having tons of fair representation for loads of great ninjas worldwide. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 27, 2016 8:41:15 GMT -5
Yeah. For those of us who have seen and enjoyed Sportsman #1 that is my ideal format. It allows fans watching a chance to see their favorite competitor regardless if they aren't doing so hot while rewarding those who are consistent. I wouldn't put a time bonus but I would use time as a tiebreaker if there are ties after all of the runs are scored. Again, like gymnastics or any other team competition where the scoring of everyone matters. I'm partial to overall tournament points rather than stage. That way it evens out at the end for those who have specialists per stage. So let's say (as an example) Team Japan is Stage 3 heavy but USA is Stage 1 heavy but Europe is Stage 2 heavy. That way also whoever has the highest totals qualify for the final guaranteeing a final in each show. As a viewer I would find that more engaging since many people WANT to see a Final in this type of show against other teams. Other countries will catch up. Trust me on that. ♥ Heck even in ANW history, Europe won the first time they went to compete. Granted they had World Champions but you know what I mean. After you explained it like that... yeah, I hope that is the format they go for. It would guarantee a final and make the whole thing more engaging. But I wouldn't just want Europe, USA and Japan. I'd like it to be like X-Warrior, where they have individual countries. That way we could have Japan, USA, China, UK, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia etc... and for areas without solid ninja competitions, they could like an "Eastern Europe team" or something like that. By going for individual countries, they could keep teams relatively short and simple, whilst still having tons of fair representation for loads of great ninjas worldwide. Well that goes into Sasuke World Cup territory. Trust me they are looking into the format I just suggested. It's changed a few times so I have no idea what they will end up with and I know they want multiple teams from all over the globe. I only mentioned the 3 here because that is what NBC has liked currently. They are keeping synergy with the spin offs they control so it makes sense they are small on the Europe side right now. As it further expands I'm sure more and more will come out of the region warranting full teams. But right now, with the shows being very new to each respective country and the talent pool at the moment not being as deep we have to deal with what we got. NBC wants a show to showcase NBC, this isn't about who is the best in the world. Even Sasuke knows that. It's entertainment after all. |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Feb 27, 2016 8:52:01 GMT -5
After you explained it like that... yeah, I hope that is the format they go for. It would guarantee a final and make the whole thing more engaging. But I wouldn't just want Europe, USA and Japan. I'd like it to be like X-Warrior, where they have individual countries. That way we could have Japan, USA, China, UK, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia etc... and for areas without solid ninja competitions, they could like an "Eastern Europe team" or something like that. By going for individual countries, they could keep teams relatively short and simple, whilst still having tons of fair representation for loads of great ninjas worldwide. Well that goes into Sasuke World Cup territory. Trust me they are looking into the format I just suggested. It's changed a few times so I have no idea what they will end up with and I know they want multiple teams from all over the globe. I only mentioned the 3 here because that is what NBC has liked currently. They are keeping synergy with the spin offs they control so it makes sense they are small on the Europe side right now. As it further expands I'm sure more and more will come out of the region warranting full teams. But right now, with the shows being very new to each respective country and the talent pool at the moment not being as deep we have to deal with what we got. NBC wants a show to showcase NBC, this isn't about who is the best in the world. Even Sasuke knows that. It's entertainment after all. Is this tournament even confirmed, confirmed, or is it still up in the air, in might happen, might not territory? And aren't you worried TBS might try to boost Japan like NBC did with America? |
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