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Post by arsenette on Sept 16, 2015 12:41:50 GMT -5
They are declared winner and each receive the identical reward. It's been done in Kunoichi once as well and both were equally recognized as co-champions and won the same amount of money. On different sites I've read comments where people say that in Japan they split the prize money - where did that misinformation come from? G4? No idea.. That's been said so many times in the past 48 hours that people think it's fact. I can't be further from the truth.
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 16, 2015 13:20:04 GMT -5
Couple things that exec producer Kent Weed said in the Hollywood Reporter article that I thought were noteworthy: "We have a few surprises up our sleeve for next season" "We will have a woman finisher next year. We’ll have more women in Vegas. We'll have the first woman to finish Stage 1 next year." "I’d like to see Kacy come back and take over again." I still do not buy a women clearing stage 1 yet unless they dumb it down. More women in vegas means what 20 wild cards all for women or their own qualifying group ?
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Post by arsenette on Sept 16, 2015 13:23:54 GMT -5
Couple things that exec producer Kent Weed said in the Hollywood Reporter article that I thought were noteworthy: "We have a few surprises up our sleeve for next season" "We will have a woman finisher next year. We’ll have more women in Vegas. We'll have the first woman to finish Stage 1 next year." "I’d like to see Kacy come back and take over again." I still do not buy a women clearing stage 1 yet unless they dumb it down. More women in vegas means what 20 wild cards all for women or their own qualifying group ? IMO that should be it's own thread. Either the article thread or make one just on that topic? I'm sure there are more who could argue for and against that.
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Post by knorikus on Sept 16, 2015 15:33:35 GMT -5
I still do not buy a women clearing stage 1 yet unless they dumb it down. More women in vegas means what 20 wild cards all for women or their own qualifying group ? IMO that should be it's own thread. Either the article thread or make one just on that topic? I'm sure there are more who could argue for and against that. Jessie Graff from what I heard had a fractured hip and could have beat stage 1 if she had made it up the wall in the first or second try. I think she could do it
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on Sept 16, 2015 21:39:03 GMT -5
If Issac is aiming to topple the tower in Japan it'll be interesting to see how Japan reacts to him. If Caldiero showboats in Japan, like he does in ANW, then he should expect a negative reaction in Japan.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 16, 2015 22:03:18 GMT -5
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Post by arsenette on Sept 16, 2015 22:28:24 GMT -5
I do believe he should have the $1 MIL prize.. however it should come from the show and the sponsors.. not the fans. Defeats the purpose and NBC won't learn their lesson.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 16, 2015 23:11:00 GMT -5
I do believe he should have the $1 MIL prize.. however it should come from the show and the sponsors.. not the fans. Defeats the purpose and NBC won't learn their lesson. I couldn't agree more but it's at least something...
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Sept 16, 2015 23:19:02 GMT -5
Both should get the million. That is all. BTW, with so many more finishers: Do you all think the course is easier, or are the contestants better, or both? The time limits were so lenient on stage 1 and 2 that timing out wasn't really a problem so people like Geoff and Isaac who can beat stage 3 were able to make it through easier I will say that neither Isaac and I were the fastest (along with kevin) on 2 and bear the top on 1. We were both ready for it all this year, mentally and physically. And we were both lucky - we both came very close to failing at one point.
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Sept 16, 2015 23:32:10 GMT -5
And thanks all! Here is how I feel about it. I was the first person to have a perfect season. I was first in stage 4 ( all this talk of Isaac getting to pick where he ran stage 4 is complete news to me, I have no idea if he did or didn't. I was shocked to hear that on the show) and he was much faster than me on 4, and wins it all. Kudos to him, he was amazingly strong all through Vegas and deserves it.
Co champions, and I know that's how matt feels about it.
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Post by acw on Sept 17, 2015 3:37:18 GMT -5
And thanks all! Here is how I feel about it. I was the first person to have a perfect season. I was first in stage 4 ( all this talk of Isaac getting to pick where he ran stage 4 is complete news to me, I have no idea if he did or didn't. I was shocked to hear that on the show) and he was much faster than me on 4, and wins it all. Kudos to him, he was amazingly strong all through Vegas and deserves it. Co champions, and I know that's how matt feels about it. Hopefully the SHOW recognizes it.
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Post by evan on Sept 17, 2015 6:29:25 GMT -5
And thanks all! Here is how I feel about it. I was the first person to have a perfect season. I was first in stage 4 ( all this talk of Isaac getting to pick where he ran stage 4 is complete news to me, I have no idea if he did or didn't. I was shocked to hear that on the show) and he was much faster than me on 4, and wins it all. Kudos to him, he was amazingly strong all through Vegas and deserves it. Co champions, and I know that's how matt feels about it. co champions and that's how the ninja community sees you for sure. I don't know about the general public but who cares, most have little clue how tough anw is! Also, you did better than Isaac overall (and anyone ever on ANW) given that you completed every single stage/course while Isaac did not complete the city finals. What you did is huge, the only guy on the planet who ever achieved that! that's insanely strong and you should feel very proud brother. I feel proud just that I got to know you a bit from here. Cheers and enjoy your achievement! Hope to see you again in anw!
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Post by kangaroo on Sept 17, 2015 8:22:30 GMT -5
And thanks all! Here is how I feel about it. I was the first person to have a perfect season. I was first in stage 4 ( all this talk of Isaac getting to pick where he ran stage 4 is complete news to me, I have no idea if he did or didn't. I was shocked to hear that on the show) and he was much faster than me on 4, and wins it all. Kudos to him, he was amazingly strong all through Vegas and deserves it. Co champions, and I know that's how matt feels about it. I want to know how you hung on that final bar that was the coolest save ever you literally held on by your fingers. Great run by the way It amazes me that you and Isaac could climb a 75 foot rope in 30 seconds after completing stage 3 that had to be brutal even after a rest Love the runs congratulations on a historic run and I hope to see you competing again next year
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Post by peterpack on Sept 17, 2015 10:10:04 GMT -5
Issac and Geoff should have agreed on a 70/30 split or something similar if both got up the rope within the time
IT's criminal that Geoff goes away with no money
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Post by blah123 on Sept 17, 2015 11:26:03 GMT -5
And thanks all! Here is how I feel about it. I was the first person to have a perfect season. I was first in stage 4 ( all this talk of Isaac getting to pick where he ran stage 4 is complete news to me, I have no idea if he did or didn't. I was shocked to hear that on the show) and he was much faster than me on 4, and wins it all. Kudos to him, he was amazingly strong all through Vegas and deserves it. Co champions, and I know that's how matt feels about it. co champions and that's how the ninja community sees you for sure. I don't know about the general public but who cares, most have little clue how tough anw is! Also, you did better than Isaac overall (and anyone ever on ANW) given that you completed every single stage/course while Isaac did not complete the city finals. What you did is huge, the only guy on the planet who ever achieved that! that's insanely strong and you should feel very proud brother. I feel proud just that I got to know you a bit from here. Cheers and enjoy your achievement! Hope to see you again in anw! Geoff should be recognized as the only person with a "perfect" 6-buzzer season. But remember, you're sort of comparing apples to oranges when comparing different cities. It was raining the night Isaac failed the body prop, and I heard nobody had cleared the obstacle after it started raining that night, and that Isaac made it farthest of the people that failed. So not to take credit away or give any more credit or whatever, but Isaac had a darn near "perfect" season as well.
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Post by evan on Sept 17, 2015 11:54:39 GMT -5
I see what you are saying but with the same logic though we shouldn't be comparing regional courses. We shouldn't even be comparing people within the same regional course if one ran at 10pm and the other at 5 am. I failed the second obstacle at Venice regional and I can come up with a lot of excuses why. I understand the issues with ANW but it is what it is.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 17, 2015 13:24:41 GMT -5
That packet is huge so I don't remember, but usually game shows have a clause where you can't share the winnings. I'm not a big fan of Isaac, I'm sure he's a nice guy but he always came off as extremely cocky the two times I competed with him. Either way, it's not his fault or responsibility to share the money even if that clause doesn't exist (but it probably does)... even if Geoff could use it more. After all, Isaac does live out of a trailer and survives off 10k a year. What would he actually do with a million dollars? But at the same time, I don't think that should be our concern. In fact, the money in general shouldn't be our concern. The money is obviously nice, but not many people are competing for the chance to become rich. That's not the spirit of Sasuke, and dare I say even despite NBCs muddling, that's not the spirit of ANW either.
I just wish they would better recognize Geoff as a co-champion. Yes Isaac completed it faster, but Geoff is technically the first and they both WON. Does it matter how fast they went on the final stage? I mean maybe Geoff ran the second or third stage faster(I don't actually know), so something like that is quite silly to me.
And I don't even really blame NBC, I thought they did a half-decent job at giving Geoff his due credit, but every news article reporting on it is focusing mostly on Isaac. It's understandable, but annoying.
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Sept 17, 2015 13:37:53 GMT -5
Issac and Geoff should have agreed on a 70/30 split or something similar if both got up the rope within the time IT's criminal that Geoff goes away with no money I had that deal with a few others. Sadly they didnt make it.
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Sept 17, 2015 13:38:46 GMT -5
And thanks all! Here is how I feel about it. I was the first person to have a perfect season. I was first in stage 4 ( all this talk of Isaac getting to pick where he ran stage 4 is complete news to me, I have no idea if he did or didn't. I was shocked to hear that on the show) and he was much faster than me on 4, and wins it all. Kudos to him, he was amazingly strong all through Vegas and deserves it. Co champions, and I know that's how matt feels about it. I want to know how you hung on that final bar that was the coolest save ever you literally held on by your fingers. Great run by the way It amazes me that you and Isaac could climb a 75 foot rope in 30 seconds after completing stage 3 that had to be brutal even after a rest Love the runs congratulations on a historic run and I hope to see you competing again next year Dont know how i held on, my fingers just clamped down enough i guess - never give up right!
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Post by arsenette on Sept 17, 2015 13:42:12 GMT -5
No one should feel obligated to split their earnings when the burden falls on the tournament organizers. Geoff has a wonderful attitude rising above it all and just saying that he was happy for what he could control - his own performance. I agree with others that Isaac shouldn't be faulted either since this was never about the competitors but about the organization of the event. They even admitted they did a mistake and a by-law that was in the contract since ANW1 came back to bite them because they lacked faith on the development of their own athletes. To be fair to NBC, they have been consistent with "fastest" rule from the beginning despite what Sasuke fans' displeasure. The problem I see is that they CAN fix this since it IS a TV show. They can easily do something for Geoff (cash prize or even physical item like a car). They can do it. They just won't and that's my problem. No one else but the organizers should have to pony up the cash: Not any other competitor, not even Matt Iseman. None control the show, they are just viewers of the show. I'm happy though that the for the most part people see Geoff (rightfully) as co-champion of ANW and the FIRST American Ninja Warrior. People have to literally be blind to not have seen that. I'm more worried about fans attacking each other over a mistake that corporate did. I do blame NBC. They are the ones that wrote the contract; the same contract that has the by-line of being able to alter things to fit their discretion. It won't hurt Isaac to have someone else gain a financial windfall for the exact same achievement so by that alone NBC could have been hailed as a hero to use that by-line to get something for Geoff.
I still contend that there is time to do so. They haven't announced when vs. World is and to my knowledge both Geoff and Isaac where there. So, they can prerecord something and add that to that airing. Even if it's a small blurb in the beginning where Geoff receives something (even if it's name recognition) and then air the rest of the prerecorded competition. NBC has used post production stuff all the time, including looping voiceover to alter results. They can do it for a benefit here. They just don't want to. It's within their legal right to do so. For future they can just alter one thing with the fastest rule. They can abolish that rule ONLY for the final. That way this kind of thing won't happen again. Or, if they still want fastest rule, have runner up prize money for them. It's inconceivable for me to think that NBC thought it was acceptable to ask an athlete to complete their ridiculous course and receive absolutely nothing. No one is asking to strip Isaac of his feat, they are only demanding that Geoff be compensated with SOMETHING for achieving the exact same feat.
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