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Post by dlee on Jan 28, 2015 21:31:10 GMT -5
How much of an overhaul is this going to be? All new obstacles? Some new obstacles? Old obstacles brought back from previous Sasukes? Mix of obstacles? Cant really comment on it until that's clarified. Im so happy they are finally doing this tho. Everyone can hate on ANW but at least they are trying to be innovative with their obstacle design and their variety. The last time Sasuke was innovative with obstacles the Backstream was born so its about time they changed it up a bit. Only thing I will speculate is whatever they change I hope it makes the course A LOT harder!
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Post by FallRisk911 on Jan 29, 2015 0:18:33 GMT -5
Tony Torres's "Skywalker" vertical pegboard keyhole....thing. SOMEone's going to make it. I feel like the ANW guys might already have their eye on it. Brutality
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Post by RedHerring on Jan 29, 2015 1:08:54 GMT -5
A complete renewal, huh? Now we can finally get that completely under water stage 2 that we've always wanted right, guys?
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Post by Amber on Jan 29, 2015 9:49:58 GMT -5
A complete renewal, huh? Now we can finally get that completely under water stage 2 that we've always wanted right, guys? I honestly don't think we'll see that until like 32 at a minimum.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 29, 2015 10:29:39 GMT -5
Thank god! I've been wanting rid of the warped wall for years. It was cool in the pre shin era, but its time has loooong passed.
I'm not sure why he wants to overhaul stage 3. Stage 2 is a way bigger priority. It's been a complete mess for awhile now.
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 29, 2015 11:06:44 GMT -5
Although I doubt Inui would be flat out and state it, I wonder if he'd consider using obstacle ideas which are recommended by fans. If so, it's time to dig up some of my more realistic obstacle ideas.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 29, 2015 11:46:13 GMT -5
My motto is "the worst that happens is that he ignores it".. so ask him! I'm always surprised what he answers. LOL As for clarification on what "type" of obstacles. I'm not sure. I didn't go into detail. We did however agree on two basic concepts. 1) Make the competitors fear the course again. The thought behind that is that most are just showing up with no basic prep because they just do the course at their house and show up unprepared for any change in the routine. 2) Make it accessible to everyone again. He gauges progress from tourney to tourney so in terms of ratings they get higher ratings when there are more clears in the 1st stage (even if they are decimated in the 2nd and beyond) so he wants to make sure that there's a nice mix of clears and still give hope to "new" people who aren't already practicing on obstacles. His goal is to eliminate the specific obstacle training that has become the norm in the shin-sasuke era. One beautiful example was back when Bunpei failed to the balance tank, he trained during the off-season only to come back and realize they took OUT the balance tank. He wants that concept to return. He wants basis overall training not just specialists. How that will translate to Sasuke 31 I don't know, but with them working earlier to change the course (and not a couple weeks before it) I have more hope that some of the changes will start with 31. This is a long term goal to try to get new people to watch Sasuke and rebuild the franchise since we hit the low point in the franchise. We both expect that some changes will be hated (and I'll rant about it on my blog) but overall I appreciate that some thought is going into redoing Sasuke while still keeping the spirit (and rules) the same. I'm hoping for different ideas personally so we'll see. And.. I still want that Ultimate Plank..
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 29, 2015 14:18:11 GMT -5
- People may run any stage in pairs. That is, you can run the a stage with a buddy, where you help each other through the obstacles, in any way you want, as long as you obey the obstacle's original rules. Only thing is things cannot be reset, unless doing so does not take either of you "out of bounds" (E.g. Rolling Escargot would not be able to be rolled back up). You may, as always, choose to run the stage by yourself.
What could possibly go wrong I'm sorry, couldn't help it, we can go back on topic now.
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Jan 29, 2015 16:06:52 GMT -5
Honestly I found it a chore to sit through Stage 1 in 30. I loved 28's Stage 1, not just the course itself, but the tension of it. I'd like a short yet difficult enough Stage 1 to make the competitors poop their pants. And stick Yuuji with the #100 to make him suffer.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 29, 2015 17:27:01 GMT -5
I like an easy stage 1, where anyone has the ability to pass without being a Sasuke veteran. Back in the day stage 1 was a lot more fun and the all-stars would compete to see who could get the fastest time. Sasuke will still have the drama, it will just start at stage 2 instead. We can't have tensions at 100% from the very beginning. There needs to be a natural progression.
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Post by Amber on Jan 29, 2015 18:35:03 GMT -5
Yeah, and the only drama in the 1st stage could be when an All-Star fails or shin sedai or seasoned veteran.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jan 29, 2015 20:11:27 GMT -5
I like an easy stage 1, where anyone has the ability to pass without being a Sasuke veteran. Back in the day stage 1 was a lot more fun and the all-stars would compete to see who could get the fastest time. Sasuke will still have the drama, it will just start at stage 2 instead. We can't have tensions at 100% from the very beginning. There needs to be a natural progression. Why does this remind me of Shingo's comment to Takeda in SASUKE 14 of going so fast and he vows to beat him (he doesn't BTW)...? XD SO yeah I agree stage 2 is where the real fight begins! BRING IT BACK!
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Post by dlee on Jan 29, 2015 20:37:43 GMT -5
I like an easy stage 1, where anyone has the ability to pass without being a Sasuke veteran. Back in the day stage 1 was a lot more fun and the all-stars would compete to see who could get the fastest time. Sasuke will still have the drama, it will just start at stage 2 instead. We can't have tensions at 100% from the very beginning. There needs to be a natural progression. Although I agree with you and think your way would create a better narrative for the show, Arsenette said Inui wants competitors to fear the course again. Making stage 1 even easier and having competitors go for speed isn't a way to achieve this. Either way its gonna be cool to see things shaken up.
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Post by Badalight on Jan 29, 2015 23:28:39 GMT -5
I like an easy stage 1, where anyone has the ability to pass without being a Sasuke veteran. Back in the day stage 1 was a lot more fun and the all-stars would compete to see who could get the fastest time. Sasuke will still have the drama, it will just start at stage 2 instead. We can't have tensions at 100% from the very beginning. There needs to be a natural progression. Although I agree with you and think your way would create a better narrative for the show, Arsenette said Inui wants competitors to fear the course again. Making stage 1 even easier and having competitors go for speed isn't a way to achieve this. Either way its gonna be cool to see things shaken up. Yeah but she also said Inui wants more people to pass stage 1, and more non veteran competitors to do so. The "fear" doesn't come from the challenge (at least in stage 1) but the new obstacles themselves.
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Post by lostinube on Jan 30, 2015 1:44:22 GMT -5
When the show was brought back, I think Inui wanted to re-do the whole thing from scratch but it was just too much work re-designing and testing a whole new course (even though, if I recall correctly, didn't all the original stuff get sold off in the M9 bankruptcy?) Considering that I've been advocating blowing up the whole course since..19, I think, any change will be met with not necessarily open arms but with at least some interest.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 30, 2015 7:19:48 GMT -5
When the show was brought back, I think Inui wanted to re-do the whole thing from scratch but it was just too much work re-designing and testing a whole new course (even though, if I recall correctly, didn't all the original stuff get sold off in the M9 bankruptcy?) Considering that I've been advocating blowing up the whole course since..19, I think, any change will be met with not necessarily open arms but with at least some interest. Exactly this. He wanted to reboot the series entirely that's why he had the room, got rid of the all-stars and tried to change the course. However, they had zero budget, all of the obstacles had to be built by scratch since M9's liquidation demanded all the old obstacles be destroyed and/or sold off. On top of that all the changes he wanted didn't get approved by H&S so he was stuck with what we've seen. Considering something like the backstream was one of the many crazy ideas that he came up with, I'm curious (if not somewhat apprehensive, LOL) of what other changes he has in store. He's still also hired by TBS and is still subject to a committee so that's something to be aware. However, I'm more hopeful this time since they started to work on Sasuke 31 MONTHS in advance as opposed to weeks in advance as has been evident of Sasuke of late. I like the addition of things like the Drum Hopper that was introduced in Sasuke 30 and hope there are more obstacles we've never seen before.
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Post by Amber on Jan 30, 2015 22:33:37 GMT -5
Has he exactly said if he wants Stage 1 to be a massacre like 19's again?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 31, 2015 0:24:33 GMT -5
Has he exactly said if he wants Stage 1 to be a massacre like 19's again? No he wants it to be different so people have to think about it (as opposed to show up and go through the motions) but passable so a nice number of clears to keep the ratings good. He said the worst that happens is that they have a lot of clears but he will slaughter them in the latter stages. LOL He does gauge it though per tourney. He wanted 30 to be accessible to people because it was an anniversary but he wants 31 to be harder to shock the vets into actually taking the course seriously again.
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Post by TCM on Jan 31, 2015 2:06:45 GMT -5
If Ryo damn near died for an accessible tournament, wonder what's going to happen when he has to take it seriously.
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Post by Amber on Jan 31, 2015 9:11:48 GMT -5
I hope this renewal also means Yuuji starts getting more attention though. He's a 2 time grand champion and they cut him in the official broadcast, however I think it would also really depend on his performance in the tournament.
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