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Post by Shuberb674 on Sept 16, 2014 1:20:49 GMT -5
Brent actually timed out at the end instead of just barely making it, but NBC let him through because it would look really bad if 20 something people got taken down by Stage 2 because it was poorly built. That's just the cliffnotes version. Eye witness report? I'm not really even doubting, but why has this sort of thing not become more well known? Yes, there was a creepy person who made an account called "Goodbye" Made 1 post (2 months before ANW 4 Aired) predicted the fixing of a competitor in order to make stage 3. Since then a few other eyewitnesses have confirmed and ther've been analyzers of the video itself who found bad synchronization in Brents run (The Tower Clock time, the on screen time ect). As Arsenette said, 30 Page NDA which binds the reader to secracy about the event. If you spill secrets, you break the NDA and the lawsuit is riddiculous, like 1million Dollars!
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Post by TCM on Sept 16, 2014 1:22:26 GMT -5
Brent actually timed out at the end instead of just barely making it, but NBC let him through because it would look really bad if 20 something people got taken down by Stage 2 because it was poorly built. That's just the cliffnotes version. Eye witness report? I'm not really even doubting, but why has this sort of thing not become more well known? Anyways, how different was Stage 2 between ANW 4 and 5? Many people there. In ANW4 the Slider Drop was a crap-shoot (even if you held the bar straight, it would find a way to fall in), and even after "fixing" it and giving re-runs to people, it still messed up. The Balance Tank was a farce, considering the track was incredibly thin. And the Metal Spin, to this day hangs too low with a questionable landing. It's not a shock that when the course was designed better (ANW 5) we had more clears (7 compared to 2 this season or 1 two seasons ago).
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Post by eiguru on Sept 16, 2014 1:37:36 GMT -5
Sorry, but could someone please direct me to where Arsenette posted the spoiler results? I was trying to avoid spoilers, so I never saw it. Of course, now I really don't see why I would wait to view results before watching the special since apparently I can't trust the results shown there (not like I had a lot of faith in NBC to begin with).
I do find it a bit sad to see a lot of the new people on here who are primarily ANW fans coming out in force against Sasuke fans who have been around for a long time. Not that there's anything wrong with being new or being an ANW fan, but it would be cool if people would remember that this is first and foremost a Sasuke board. Everyone is going to be biased towards what they like, and we need to understand that. It goes both ways.
The dubbing of the Japanese competitors was quite surprising. What's wrong with subtitles? You don't need to hire a voice over artist and people can actually hear the competitor's real voice.
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Post by snakeeyes on Sept 16, 2014 2:15:17 GMT -5
honestly, I don't even care about the other stuff tonight... 4 people cleared stage 3 tonight! I was at a bar tonight that was also watching Monday Night Football and everyone was on their edge of their seats once we got to stage 3 after sorta casually watching the rest of the show. I marked out so hard for each Stage 3 clear. The bar was going was going nut for it too. Loved seeing Brian get revenge on the flying bar. And it was great to see stage 4 on ANW.
I think this helps prove that if stage 2 hadnt been so hard this year that we'd have seen stage 4 during the regular season.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 16, 2014 2:21:45 GMT -5
Sorry, but could someone please direct me to where Arsenette posted the spoiler results? I was trying to avoid spoilers, so I never saw it. Of course, now I really don't see why I would wait to view results before watching the special since apparently I can't trust the results shown there (not like I had a lot of faith in NBC to begin with). I do find it a bit sad to see a lot of the new people on here who are primarily ANW fans coming out in force against Sasuke fans who have been around for a long time. Not that there's anything wrong with being new or being an ANW fan, but it would be cool if people would remember that this is first and foremost a Sasuke board. Everyone is going to be biased towards what they like, and we need to understand that. It goes both ways. The dubbing of the Japanese competitors was quite surprising. What's wrong with subtitles? You don't need to hire a voice over artist and people can actually hear the competitor's real voice. The entire thread is in the 2nd page. The direct link to the entire discussion from before the event started to when it ended can be found here including the clarification on the Asa "DQ".
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Sept 16, 2014 2:38:12 GMT -5
Thanks Kamran and TCM for the responses. Wasn't aware of these things.
Anyway, anyone else notice the demonstrator for Stage 3 during the course overview was Paul Kasemir? Was this just me? Am I insane?
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Post by ying729 on Sept 16, 2014 5:28:04 GMT -5
wow team europe is amazing congrats to travis for clearing the 2nd stage
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Post by blah123 on Sept 16, 2014 8:14:52 GMT -5
How much will it take to get it through your thick skulls that Sasuke and ANW are not sports competitions -- they are TV shows. And the producers will do anything within their legal power to increase ratings, including (1) fudge results, (2) show runs out of order, (3) lie about past statistics, (4) exaggerate obstacle dimensions, (5) mis-translate subtitles, etc., etc., etc. This is a pre-recorded reality TV show with which the producers and editors have months to fabricate. Why is it still an outrage to people when we hear that what you saw on TV might not be exactly what happened in real life? This drives me insane. Whether or not what Arsenette says can be backed up, it really doesn't matter. Don't assume NBC doesn't lie. I myself love Sasuke and ANW, and will be a lifelong fan and competitor if I can, regardless of the Americanized Hollywood bulls**t that comes along with it. I choose to put up with it because the positives of the show and the community of the competitors outweigh the negatives. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by TCM on Sept 16, 2014 9:43:36 GMT -5
Thanks Kamran and TCM for the responses. Wasn't aware of these things. Anyway, anyone else notice the demonstrator for Stage 3 during the course overview was Paul Kasemir? Was this just me? Am I insane? All of the obstacle demonstrations were either of clips from ANW6 or the USA vs. Japan special last year. That's why you saw Paul in Stage 3, he made it to the Flying Bar during that special.
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Post by peterpack on Sept 16, 2014 9:59:50 GMT -5
Wow that was kick a** ! everyone thought Europe was a crappy put together team and they won !
Stage 3 was great all round . If Sean trained Ninja warrior all year, he could win the prize legit next year
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Post by TCM on Sept 16, 2014 10:28:49 GMT -5
How much will it take to get it through your thick skulls that Sasuke and ANW are not sports competitions -- they are TV shows. And the producers will do anything within their legal power to increase ratings, including (1) fudge results, (2) show runs out of order, (3) lie about past statistics, (4) exaggerate obstacle dimensions, (5) mis-translate subtitles, etc., etc., etc. This is a pre-recorded reality TV show with which the producers and editors have months to fabricate. Why is it still an outrage to people when we hear that what you saw on TV might not be exactly what happened in real life? This drives me insane. Whether or not what Arsenette says can be backed up, it really doesn't matter. Don't assume NBC doesn't lie. I myself love Sasuke and ANW, and will be a lifelong fan and competitor if I can, regardless of the Americanized Hollywood bulls**t that comes along with it. I choose to put up with it because the positives of the show and the community of the competitors outweigh the negatives. Just my 2 cents. 1. It's not reality television, please, learn to Google. It is similar, and thus one could argue for it, but by the definition of it, it is not. It is a sporting event, many places can tell you that, just because you wish to ignore that does not make them false. NBC might run it like it's reality TV, but they're wrong about that too. 2. Team Japan seems to think differently...at least from Sasuke's side of things. Sasuke rarely does any of those things. Yes, Japan realizes ANW is a TV show. Many people here realize it is a TV show. But it is also a sporting event, otherwise many people are wrong in calling it a sport. It's literally sports entertainment. One side cares more about one part of that than the other, fine. But ANW having to do any of which you stated, in my opinion, insults the intelligence of the viewer. More importantly, it insults the actual competitors. ANW loves to refer to itself as a sport whether in broadcasts or promotional stuff. 3. Exaggerating dimensions is one thing, statistics is annoying for people who care about them said factually but is another thing one could get over. There's nothing inherently wrong with showing runs out of order, either...until it leads to result manipulation. It may be within their legal right to do so, but that doesn't make it ethical. Some may have been annoyed when Okuyama was shown after Kouji in 26, but it did make for good TV considering he was the only Japanese competitor to get out of Stage 2. We had the special clear theme and everyone was excited. That didn't affect results. He came really close to timing out, but by all accounts, he got there legit. Fast forward to ANW 4. Brent gets put last in the broadcast even though he was actually more in the middle due to his reputation, fine, no issues. But before the episode even aired, we heard rumors of a doctored Stage 2 result. We heard it involved Brent. We heard he reached the end, but actually timed out. We see on air he cleared with just 0.03 on the clock. Now people bring up that result is full of crap. Not Brent's fault, but if he had failed any earlier, NBC would have been screwed. How does that not insult the viewer for being lied to, or the people there who saw it with their own eyes being told to keep quiet about it? I love both shows as well, many people here do. I just won't accept when NBC tries to pull wool over my eyes when something else was the case. On TV, USA vs. The World looked great. I mean hell, Japan cleared Vegas' Stage 3 before any American did! Stefano, who may have never even watched the show before, killed it on his first try. I was amazed right along with everyone else seeing Ryo use the rope to alleviate his upper body, to see Brian get revenge. But if that led to Japan getting screwed by NBC so that Europe didn't get a free pass to the trophy, only to try to screw over Europe so that USA could retain like is being claimed? Sorry if that sours things a bit for me.
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Post by diznee on Sept 16, 2014 12:57:47 GMT -5
You're overestimating the amount of professionalism that TV networks put into shows like this. This isn't like the Olympics where they're regulated by a governing body (and even then we've seen that the Olympics aren't immune to creative judging). Since NBC is advertising it as "sports entertainment," it may not full under the same rules as other game shows. I mean, on ABC's Wipeout, they use handheld stopwatches to time contestants, and they would routinely slow down/speed up obstacles at a whim in order to keep results close and "exciting".
Anyway, I thought the rules of the competition were ridiculous. How is it possible for two Japanese competitors to finish stage 3, yet only 1 American and 1 European finish, and somehow the Japanese still walk away with 0 points? I tend to dislike the team format in general. Sasuke was always man vs. mountain, so to turn it into man vs. man leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Sept 16, 2014 12:59:00 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts:
Europeans did good, even though some of them live here...Canada...(Steffano and Miska only real foreigners?) They are amazingly strong for Stage 3 and yea they are excellent but kept thinking to myself that these guys would probably go down in Stage 1 or 2 if they actually competed and if they made it to Stage 3, they wouldn't have done it so easy.
Japan.....oh god.
So this was a really cool competition...Brian's Stage 3 run was awesome! Finally Someone completed Stage 3...even if he didn't run Stage 1
I'm guessing if Sasuke was an Olympic Sport then this is how the competition would run?
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Post by arsenette on Sept 16, 2014 13:28:48 GMT -5
Giggles. I asked Inui if TBS got paid for the footage they used from Sasuke Rising. Seems not, again. They stole it from SMF again. /facepalm
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Sept 16, 2014 13:33:06 GMT -5
The old footage that showed Sasuke 4 and 17 from Stage 4 looked really clear and HD! I was almost certain they bought footage.
Compared to last year when they showed that small clip of Sasuke 29 Stage 2 that looked like a 240p clip LOL
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Post by arsenette on Sept 16, 2014 13:36:40 GMT -5
The old footage that showed Sasuke 4 and 17 from Stage 4 looked really clear and HD! I was almost certain they bought footage. Compared to last year when they showed that small clip of Sasuke 29 Stage 2 that looked like a 240p clip LOL They own the 1-27 footage as this is still Comcast. I was talking about Rising (Sasuke 28-30). They never bought that. So all of Morimoto's footage, etc. was all from SMF.
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Post by peterpack on Sept 16, 2014 15:22:33 GMT -5
I'm hoping Japan's 2 Stage 3 completions, even though they didn't get the points will enable them to come back next year. Before that, they were embarassingly bad and i could see them not wanting to come back ever again.
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on Sept 16, 2014 15:36:35 GMT -5
Knowing the spoiler about Kazuma Asa being forced to re-do Cannonball Incline because he skipped one of the cannonballs, I thought it was garbage last night that Sean McColl and Brian Arnold were allowed to skip the second cannonball without any sort of penalty. ANW royally screwed over Ryo Matachi.
I guess the rules are only enforced if you're Team Japan.
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Post by vaughngk on Sept 16, 2014 15:58:46 GMT -5
Arsenette I don't think you should stop writing about the issues you have about ANW I think ever one wants a fair game were the results aren't altered for any reason. Personally I only watch ANW for the competitors and obstacles the fact that they don't air Sasuke anymore in the states really bothers me and I wish Americans could compete again in Sasuke. And questioning your claim should not be seen as someone who refuses to believe NBC altered the results but instead as someone who wants to know the evidence for this. Also I am sure TBS has been accused of bs during the 17 years of Sasuke. And I also find it unusual that NBC would alter the results the third stage so Team USA could go to a tie breaker but then accept the results of Stage 4 that made Team Europe the winner.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 16, 2014 19:20:09 GMT -5
I just now watched it a second time at least up to Shingo's run and the immediate aftermath of it... I think I had more emotions that time then the last since I was still swooned by his voice the first time... And honestly I don't care of results are mixed up, I just wanted to see Team Japan competing again. That's all I wanted and I got it. No further explanation needs to go further. I get the problems but My hopes are Team Japan returns, Shingo leading them, and they take the trophy next year. As they say, third time's the charm and it's a pretty solid quote since it's true in most cases.
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