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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 19:12:25 GMT -5
I think you provoked him. I love your blog, but sometimes you have this general negativity that lasts for half the blog, and persist with some American competitors, making it a little hard for me to follow.
So I can't really blame Joe's reply here, or call him a douche. To note, I disagree with his reply in some parts, but I don't think he fired shots first.
Your blog does shine a light on really controversial issues on a sport that I find needs to be taken more seriously by NBC. It's a really important, important blog as we all know.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 7, 2014 19:23:11 GMT -5
Been doing this for 6 years. I haven't changed my style and I don't expect to. I'm not going to "change" my opinion because someone has a thin skin. He should blame NBC for his portrayal and his own mouth. I'm not the one that said that his fail was because he listened to his own family. He shouldn't have gone on National television and acted like a whiny bastard.. then getting on my personal blog to b**** at me for calling him out for being a whiny bastard. LOL As for importance, that's what people think of my blog. I'm happy about that. However from everyone that has supported my blog for years, they noticed when I toned down to be more "PC" I got yelled at for sounding like a news anchor. I'm being myself and I'm voicing exactly what I'm feeling. That's why it's my personal blog. I'm not changing who I am.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 21:07:38 GMT -5
Hey, it's just how I see it Arsenette. You know I have to voice my opinion on everything. Do you boo
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Post by dudesky1000 on Oct 7, 2014 22:33:41 GMT -5
Heck, I'm not a big fan of Joe myself but after reading the comments here before actually reading his on the blog, I have to admit, I was kind of underwhelmed. With that said, these guys get enough hype on the real show, therefore anybody should be sporting for a little jest. It's a good quality to be able to handle being poked fun at a little. Arsenette does it to everyone, even some of our favorite competitors, not just the Americans. It just so happens that the Americans are slightly more likely to notice and read through the blog and bother to talk back. It was a pretty low blow to try to point the finger at the Japanese competitors, and a tad unnecessary to assert that he'll be the first ANW as he does so often in the actual show. All it means is that there isn't much of a difference between the guy on the show and the guy when he is behind his computer screen. I'm sure he's nice for the most part. But I don't see myself rooting for him any time soon.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Oct 7, 2014 22:38:34 GMT -5
I finally found the comment and yeah I won't be saying much about it. I'll just say... he's... cocky. First ANW my head! We'll just see in the coming years if that rings true...
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Oct 7, 2014 23:09:16 GMT -5
It was a pretty low blow to try to point the finger at the Japanese competitors, and a tad unnecessary to assert that he'll be the first ANW as he does so often in the actual show. I don't see what was so bad about him saying that Japan had also cheated, he was just defending the allegations that NBC had cheated for the US by saying that there was actually some equality to that. The ending of his comment was kinda weird, though, yeah. Seemed like he mighta just been half-joking.
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Post by dlee on Oct 7, 2014 23:54:06 GMT -5
It was a pretty low blow to try to point the finger at the Japanese competitors, and a tad unnecessary to assert that he'll be the first ANW as he does so often in the actual show. I don't see what was so bad about him saying that Japan had also cheated, he was just defending the allegations that NBC had cheated for the US by saying that there was actually some equality to that. Funny, how the Japanese cheating was NOT addressed in the Blog! I feel like i was led to believe they were the victims #biased
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Post by eiguru on Oct 8, 2014 0:43:02 GMT -5
I'm surprised that people don't think much of Joe's comment. Maybe the way he is has become the norm. I don't think he was attacking anyone, but you don't have to make attacks to come off sounding like a jerk. His comment displayed an underlying attitude that I find troubling. Here's the breakdown.
He tried to defend himself for blaming his friends for his failure by first saying that he didn't blame anyone, and then reiterating that he was blaming them. If you write out the meaning of his words in simple English they end up sounding something like this: "I didn't blame anyone, it's just that it's their fault." Um, Joe... do you or don't you know what it means to blame someone.
He also said it was an amazing night and that nobody gives a crap about how fair it was. Yeah, sure it was an amazing night for him because he was on the team that was unfairly favored. The fact that he doesn't "give a crap" that other competitors were screwed over by the same people that have promoted him as a hero suggests to me that he really only cares about being the star of a reality TV show. Does it not bother anyone else how selfish that is?
Not much to say about how he defended his grabbing of the chains. Just a pathetic excuse. Since when is breaking the rules okay as long as it's unintentional? Did Nagano intentionally grab the frame of the cliff hanger in Sasuke 18? No, but he did and then he took responsibility for it. Joe needs to learn to stop making excuses and take responsibility for what he does. "It was nerves, I couldn't help it! My friends told me to do it that way and it messed me up!" How can you respect a man who talks that way?
And then there was this statement. "When you are competing at my level, you'll understand better." I guess I can't understand until my head is as inflated as his. He sure seems to think a lot of himself, especially considering that he hasn't accomplished that much. To me, this stands in stark contrast to a real star, Urushihara Yuuji. I had the amazing opportunity to meet Urushihara once and he was nice enough to talk to me for a while. To say that I was impressed by him would be a huge understatement. I think he was probably the most humble person I've ever met, especially for being as accomplished as he is. His attitude and the way he talks is so self-deprecating that you can't help but want to cheer him on. Joe, to me, seems just the opposite. A pompous man who loves to tell you how great he is and loves for the spotlight to be directly on him.
I'm really curious to know if this pompous attitude of his has come about as a result of his participation in ANW or if he's always been this way and that's why NBC likes him. I think the answer would be very telling, not just about him, but about how ANW works in general.
One last thing I want to say. I understand that I've made a pretty harsh attack on the guy, but I don't think we should cast him into hell or anything. I don't know the guy personally, and for all we know he could be a great guy. But as a competitor I find him pompous, arrogant, selfish, immature, and whiny. And I can't help but feel that his kind of attitude is encouraged in ANW.
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Oct 8, 2014 0:59:38 GMT -5
I do think that comment was weird as hell and seemed to be...in character. I always envisioned NBC makes competitors say stuff (even before finding out how stupid ANW is), mainly at the end, in interviews. Things such as "I will be the first American Ninja Warrior" or "USA will take home the trophy" and crap like that. Joe literally did this exact thing at the end of the comment.
Also, his bit about blaming others doesn't seem bad at all. He just said people told him to do something which messed HIM up, shaking HIS confidence. That doesn't sound like blaming someone, that sounds like the honest truth. Though, I don't know what he originally said that provoked this debate, so I can't speak for his original comments.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, mostly. I don't agree with most of what he's saying, but some of the issues that have been brought up are rather small and/or not worth complaining about.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 8, 2014 3:35:30 GMT -5
I don't see what was so bad about him saying that Japan had also cheated, he was just defending the allegations that NBC had cheated for the US by saying that there was actually some equality to that. Funny, how the Japanese cheating was NOT addressed in the Blog! I feel like i was led to believe they were the victims #biased Quite honestly his comment was the FIRST I heard of it. Seriously. As I said before and I will reiterate. If they cheated I would have said something. I don't care WHO it was, I want a fair competition. So while it was a "if you were as good as me you'd understand" argument while simultaneously throwing the Japanese under the bus.. this was the first I heard that the Japanese did anything wrong. The only complaints I heard was that Asa lost fair and square (even with the discussion about the chain rules not enforced) and that Ryo and Kanno both did the exact mistake on the ropes. That's it. In fact when talking about the Final (where it should have been a 3-way tie) it was understood that Morimoto "probably not/maybe/if it was it was microscopically close") they all agreed that it probably should have ended in the 3rd stage as 9/6/3. No one said anything about the Spider flip and even after that comment, a couple people wrote back to me (not Japanese) told me he was just frustrated and took it out on them. The Japanese didn't cheat. Considering the rest of the comments that Joe made, I'm inclined to believe the other guys that the Japanese didn't cheat the Spider Flip over him who was more upset that I didn't fawn all over him. Hey, it's just how I see it Arsenette. You know I have to voice my opinion on everything. Do you boo Always I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Post by eiguru on Oct 8, 2014 8:28:53 GMT -5
I do think that comment was weird as hell and seemed to be...in character. I always envisioned NBC makes competitors say stuff (even before finding out how stupid ANW is), mainly at the end, in interviews. Things such as "I will be the first American Ninja Warrior" or "USA will take home the trophy" and crap like that. Joe literally did this exact thing at the end of the comment. Also, his bit about blaming others doesn't seem bad at all. He just said people told him to do something which messed HIM up, shaking HIS confidence. That doesn't sound like blaming someone, that sounds like the honest truth. Though, I don't know what he originally said that provoked this debate, so I can't speak for his original comments. That's the thing that surprised me about Joe's post. I always figured that the stupid things that guys say on ANW were because they were encouraged to say them by NBC, basically scripted. Or edited by NBC to make them look the way they want them to. So I was shocked to see a competitor come out and act the exact same way outside of the TV. That shows me that that's the way he really is, whether it's rubbed off on him from his TV character or he was just always that way. He absolutely was shifting blame. He was suggesting that if those people hadn't said those things then he would have passed the obstacle. While that may be true, I still think it's in bad taste to bring your friends into it and make excuses for your failure. It's childish behavior. And the fact that he did no better on his next try suggests that it would have been the same either way.
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Post by RatedRKO1118 on Oct 8, 2014 12:31:21 GMT -5
I feel like this is a situation where you can bring other people into it without necessarily blaming them. It sounds like he's blaming himself for getting distracted by them, as if it wasn't their fault. It's a silly excuse, I guess, but it's probably the truth. He was just saying what caused his fall.
I don't want to sound like Joe himself but this is a small thing to me so whatever. I doubt his friends who were yelling at him cared that he may have sorta blamed them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 14:02:44 GMT -5
Japanese competitors say "I will reach the top and hit that button" ALL THE TIME. Joe wont be the first ANW tho, Oti will be I finally found the comment and yeah I won't be saying much about it. I'll just say... he's... cocky. First ANW my head! We'll just see in the coming years if that rings true... My bad, someone should've linked it. ramblingrican.blogspot.com/2014/10/usa-vs-world-nbc-anw6-special-part-3.htmlHere's the link in case anyone is wondering wtf we are talking about.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 8, 2014 14:31:59 GMT -5
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Post by Ralf on Oct 8, 2014 14:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by TCM on Oct 8, 2014 14:54:48 GMT -5
Even when NBC muddles the truth for "dramatic purposes," you would think a 3-way tie would be much more dramatic of a Final.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 8, 2014 15:04:05 GMT -5
Even when NBC muddles the truth for "dramatic purposes," you would think a 3-way tie would be much more dramatic of a Final. Tell me about it. Then again, I doubt they were expecting BOTH Joe and Paul to fail. And who are we kidding.. they were going to let Ryo run that final? Giggles.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Oct 8, 2014 15:56:21 GMT -5
Even when NBC muddles the truth for "dramatic purposes," you would think a 3-way tie would be much more dramatic of a Final. Tell me about it. Then again, I doubt they were expecting BOTH Joe and Paul to fail. And who are we kidding.. they were going to let Ryo run that final? Giggles. Either him or Shingo. Those would be my bets if Japan got a chance to run the final stage [EDIT] I said that actually BEFORE I read the blog so saying Shingo would be the one to run the final if Japan had a chance is a huge understatement! XD
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Post by vaughngk on Oct 8, 2014 16:42:50 GMT -5
Just read part 4 of your blog will read part 5 later and comment on both posts later. I know this off topic from the thread but since it's the only people are still commentating on I am curious as to your response.
As someone who watches both Sasuke and ANW I am very aware of the crap that goes on in ANW and but I do want to explain I watch despite the some of the nonsense.Again I understand not specifically related to thread but since I do get into some heated arguments with aresenette and others I do wish to explain myself.
First I watch ANW for the obstacles and competitors. Unlike Sasuke which used to have two tournaments every year it has only one once a year now and is only 3 hours as someone who likes it the show that is not enough for me. Also I enjoy watching the the city qualifiers and finals because they represent two things that I like about Sasuke the non-competitive aspect were everybody cheers for all competitors to succeed and also the fact like Saskue you don't have to be a professional to compete.
For example of this aresenette as women you do have appreciate that ANW does hi-light female competitors and does aggressively try to recruit strong female competitors because they know people what women to succeed in the course. While the setup for Sasuke and it's timed course prevents women from showing what they can do. I know ANW also has a final but the city courses which are untimed helped Kacy become the women who completed a course that most men did not complete instead as another women who failed the JS.
And it's just not women but short guys like me can show what their made of. People Michael Nedeem and that short army guy can participate and not only do well but complete their courses instead of two short guys who failed Jumping Spider. To sum up my thoughts I d rather try to fix the problems in the show than abandon it completely and seeing as competitors come back every year despite the problems they are too.
Edit I didn't like the way I worded my question to aresenette on why she likes Sasuke because it sounded snarky which was not my intention so deleted it.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Oct 8, 2014 18:35:20 GMT -5
Confused. Is the final stage tower order from tallest to shortest: Sasuke 30, ANW 6, Sasuke 27? I'm pretty sure ANW 6 was 77 feet and Sasuke 27 was 66 feet. What was Sasuke 30? Or is some of this incorrect?
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