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Post by TCM on May 28, 2014 11:54:46 GMT -5
Quick question guys. Would it be easier for everyone if a brand new results only (no discussion) thread that has all the official results updated weekly is created? I figured it would be cool to keep up with that in one updating chart if people just want to see those results week to week? Or just leave them written at the end of each discussion week? Either way if anyone has the full results please put them on the threads now. I'm curious who was shown and who passed on to the next stage. P.S. Noticed Drew tweeted a link that has the full 1 hour preview. Unsure if it's region locked for those outside the country reading. Let us know if it is btw. Also, having taken 1 hour to do a lot of the fluff pieces, did that actually help the pace of the actual show? Or are they still badly paced with too many odd lengthed cut-scenes? Nearly everyone was given a short profile who were given full runs during the proper broadcast. Only 19 full runs were shown but there were about 7 digests and yes, clears were digested. Five of the top 30 runs were cut, including a course clear for whatever reason (sorry Andres). The rest were non-clears. Yet, the pacing seemed as best as it ever was. I personally never felt the show was plodding on, but I'll be watching post-live broadcasts so I may be an exception. I liked the countdown show. Overall, that extra countdown hour helped. As for the results thread, my opinion is if enough of a consensus comes for it, I don't see why not. For now, I'll post my results here in this thread and will move the post over if the general results thread ends up being made. Here are the results: ANW Season 6, Episode One Venice Regionals (aired 5/26/14) [N] = New Obstacle, [CP] = Received Competitor Profile Obstacles: Quintuple Steps, Spinning Wheel [N], Slack (Line) Ladder [N], Jumping Bars (into Cargo Net) [N], Monkey Peg, Warped Wall Condition: Clear the course; qualify for Regional Final (or the furthest the fastest until 30 slots have been filled)
1. Kim Lyons (40, Personal Trainer for Seasons 2-3 on Biggest Loser/Miss Galaxy 2000, Hermosa Beach, CA): Quintuple Steps [2nd to 3rd step] [CP] 2. Jeff Foley (41, Financial Services, Santa Monica, CA): Spinning Wheel [CP] 3. Selena Laniel (38, Firefighter, San Diego, CA): Jumping Bars [Missed jump to 1st bar] [CP]
1st Digest: Kelvin Antoine (Forklift Operator): Spinning Wheel Michael Mori (Audio Engineer): Slack Ladder Katrina Torres (Personal Trainer, Hawaii): Jumping Bars [Missed jump to 1st bar]
4. Phil Arrington III (29, Video Librarian/Rhythm game enthusiast): Spinning Wheel [CP] 5. Robert Ing (28, Entrepreneur, San Francisco, CA, Walk-On contestant): CLEAR (4:11.96) [CP]
2nd Digest: Ky Vuong (Gym Owner, Hawaii): Spinning Wheel Aaron Cooke (Sales Trainer, Washington): Spinning Wheel Adam Winans (Comedian): Jumping Bars [Missed Cargo Net] Vadym Krasnenko (Former Ukraine Olympic Gymnast): Monkey Peg [Peg board] Vadym Kuvakin (Former Ukraine Olympic Gymnast): Warped Wall [exhausted 3-try limit]
6. Danny Goler (31, Israeli Army Veteran, Los Angeles, CA): Monkey Peg [Peg board] [CP]
3rd Digest: Brian Orosco (Freerunner/Stuntman/5-time Sasuke competitor): Spinning Wheel Rashad Richardson (Custom Funiture Designer/Martial Arts Enthusiast): Spinning Wheel Ian Garcia (Digital Marketer): Slack Ladder Lei Wang (Software Engineer/Rock climbing accident survivor): Jumping Bars [Missed jump to 1st bar]
7. Kate Hansen (21, 2014 Sochi US Olympic Luger/Beyonce enthusiast, La Cañada, CA): Slack Ladder [CP] 8. Keita Kashiwagi (39, Science Teacher, Rancho Cucamonga, CA): Warped Wall [exhausted 3-try limit] [CP]
4th Digest: Mario Mendoza (General Contractor): CLEAR (6:58.27) Travis Brewer (Clothing Designer): CLEAR (3:45.07) Travis Weinand (Model): Spinning Wheel
9. Kyle Cochran (25, Motivational Speaker with Type-1 diabetes, Los Altos, CA): CLEAR (3:37.05) [CP]
5th Digest: Michael Lera (sp?): Spinning Wheel [explicitly shown as example of not being properly set on obstacle leading to failure] Dorian Cedars (Realtor): CLEAR (4:51.90) James Sclar (Former Marine): CLEAR (5:29.34) Brennan Mejia (Circus Performer): Monkey Peg [Peg board] Justin Taylor (Trampolinist): Monkey Peg [Peg board – Lost one of the pegs during transition to peg board]
10. Susan Francia (31, US Olympic Gold Medalist in Women’s eight Rowing in 2008 and 2012, San Diego, CA): Quintuple Steps [1st-to-2nd step; first full run without competitor profile] 11. Kevin Bull (29, Stock Investor/Developed alopecia at 21/Walk-on contestant, Scotts Valley, CA): CLEAR (2:28.18) [CP] 12. David Money (42, Contractor, Burbank, CA): Monkey Peg [Peg board] [Joint CP with Paul Money before his (David’s) run] 13. Paul Money (42, Contractor/David Money’s twin brother, Varverg, Sweden): Monkey Peg [Transition from monkey bars to peg board] [Joint CP before David Money’s run] 14. Evan Dollard (32, Former American Gladiator/Sasuke 26 competitor, Los Angeles, CA): CLEAR (4:41.46) [2nd full run without competitor profile] 15. Thaddeus Robeck (30, Race Car Driver, Fresno, CA): CLEAR (2:43.66) [CP]
6th Digest: Alison Leitheiser (Therapist, Mother of 2, Gym Owner): Spinning Wheel [spun out just as the wheel reached the end] Jennifer Burdis (4th Grade Teacher): Jumping Bars [missed jump to 1st bar] Rachel Mulvaney (Waitress): Jumping Bars [missed jump to 1st bar]
16. Alan Connealy (33, Gym Owner/”The Original Beast”, Moraga, CA): CLEAR (2:07.23) [CP] 17. James McGrath (27, Lifeguard/Sasuke 27 competitor/“The Beast”, Normandy Park, WA): CLEAR (1:57.08) [CP] 18. Ben Melick (31, Acrobat/Stunt Performer, Los Angeles, CA): CLEAR (4:20.41) [CP]
7th Digest: Alex Kane (5th Grade Teacher): CLEAR (3:19.31) Dan Mast (Stuntman): CLEAR (3:07.34) Dustin Rocho (CPR Instructor): CLEAR (2:32.91) Derek Nakamoto (College Student): CLEAR (2:58.52)
19. David Campbell (36, Audio Engineer/3-time Sasuke competitor, Scotts Valley, CA): CLEAR (1:55.45) [CP]
Top 30 (Moving to Regional Finals): 1. David Campbell: 1:55.45 2. James Mcgrath: 1:57.08 3. Alan Connealy: 2:07.23 4. Kevin Bull: 2:28.18 5. Dustin Rocho: 2:32.91 6. Thaddeus Robeck: 2:43.66 7. Derek Nakamoto: 2:58.52 8. Dan Mast: 3:07.34 9. Alex Kane: 3:19.31 10. Kyle Cochran: 3:37.05 11. Travis Brewer: 3:45.07 12. Robert Ing: 4:11.96 13. Ben Melick: 4:20.41 14. Evan Dollard: 4:41.46 15. Dorian Cedars: 4:51.90 16. Andres De La Rosa: 5:16.14 (all cut) 17. James Sclar: 5:29.34 18. Mario Mendoza: 6:58.27 19. Vadym Kuvakin: Monkey Peg (2:20.02) 20. Alexander Gines: Monkey Peg (5:07.12; all cut) 21. Keita Kashiwagi: Monkey Peg (5:35.36) 22. Brian Kretsch: Jumping Bars (0.59.28; all cut) 23. David Money: Jumping Bars (1:08.90) 24. Vadym Krasnenko: Jumping Bars (1:30.19) 25. Justin Taylor: Jumping Bars (1:33.57) 26. Danny Goler: Jumping Bars (1:39.19) 27. Paul Money: Jumping Bars (1:46.12) 28. Warren Li: Jumping Bars (2:06.84; all cut) 29. Brennan Mejia: Jumping Bars (2:27.53) 30. Quoc-Hoan Do: Slack Ladder (1:10.48; all cut)
What I wonder about #30 is that the broadcast stated Rachel Mulvaney was the fastest the furthest after her run and that David Campbell, the last up in the broadcast when she was in 30th, knocked her out of the list. So I don't know how Quoc qualified, although we're never shown Rachel's time because she was digested, even though Quoc doesn't exist in the broadcast until the end of the show when they're showing the top 30 listing.
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Post by higeboshi on May 28, 2014 12:24:13 GMT -5
It's an editing issue--they manipulate the run order to the point where they can't keep their story straight. The competitors don't run even remotely in the same order that they do on the show. Odds are good that 20 or more people actually ran after David Campbell. (I can't say this with 100% certainty, but they sure rearranged the hell out of Denver last year.)
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Post by arsenette on May 28, 2014 12:37:32 GMT -5
Thanks TCM for the full list and yeah we'll keep an eye out on whether having a closed thread with just the results. So far just having them per episode seems fine since there really isn't much discussion. I think the reason for that is that they just don't know how to allocate the 2 hours that well. 19 shown in 2 hours is just outrageous. Full TBS tournaments were shown in that time in Japan (pre-20). Ugh Higeboshi I figured they might be out of order.. but that's pretty bad when it's disorienting. TBH though as much as it hurts me in this particular format where none of the competitors are actually numbered I can see why NBC continues to do it and gets away with it. I personally don't like that format. I saw the preshow (yes in full - through the link that Drew had) and it reminded me of the old G4 preshows and I didn't mind that. I cringed at the "no woman has ever passed this obstacle" and lit a candle in the name of Mika Izumi/Watanabe and cried inside. THIS is why I hate the NBC broadcast. They don't need to go there and rewrite history. It's friggin' awesome that women are doing well and kicking a** in ANW. There's no need to sully the history of those before them in order to "prop" them up. The feat is friggin' awesome no matter what country you are from.
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Post by thebobmaster on May 28, 2014 13:00:31 GMT -5
As for the Rachel issue... I think that Andres was number 29, Rachel was number 30, and was being focused on not because she had the fastest time overall past the Slack Bridge, but because she was the only woman left in the running to make the finals. I think they may have just misspoken when they said she was the fastest through the Slack Bridge, instead meaning that she was the fastest WOMAN through the Slack Bridge.
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Post by TCM on May 28, 2014 13:02:27 GMT -5
As long as they specify it specifically happening under the ANW window, then I'm fine. Yes, no woman has beaten the Warped Wall in ANW (if they said no American woman ever, which they never will, then yeah, that's fine) or completed a regional qualifier/final. But yeah, stats with proper connection to Sasuke being messed with annoy me.
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Post by arsenette on May 28, 2014 13:07:47 GMT -5
As long as they specify it specifically happening under the ANW window, then I'm fine. Yes, no woman has beaten the Warped Wall in ANW (if they said no American woman ever, which they never will, then yeah, that's fine) or completed a regional qualifier/final. But yeah, stats with proper connection to Sasuke being messed with annoy me. Unfortunately since ANW has been commandeering all of Sasuke's history as it's own then the statement said last night was incorrect. They didn't quantify "which" course or even country affiliation. All they said was general statement of "no female has ever passed the wall". That statement is incorrect.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 28, 2014 14:47:01 GMT -5
TBH though as much as it hurts me in this particular format where none of the competitors are actually numbered I can see why NBC continues to do it and gets away with it. I personally don't like that format. Actually let me clarify something, the competitors actually are numbered to run in a certain order, even the walk ons get numbers specifying they are walk ons much which I can confirm, they just take them at the start line
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Post by TCM on May 28, 2014 14:52:23 GMT -5
Doesn't that make it worse, then? Sure, Sasuke has always broadcast people out of order, but with ANW's format, showing runs out of order makes things confusing.
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Post by arsenette on May 28, 2014 16:51:12 GMT -5
Doesn't that make it worse, then? Sure, Sasuke has always broadcast people out of order, but with ANW's format, showing runs out of order makes things confusing. Yeah that makes that worse. Though the numbering isn't on their bodies (like Sasuke) where the confusion is two fold because you SEE the numbers all out of whack. At least NBC has the pretense of mind to remove that portion of confusing by not having them numbered. Doesn't make it better but they can hide it better that way. I just wish they'd stop that but seems they love manipulating the results to make it fit their vision of the show rather than actually showing what happened in a natural way. Personally it kills the natural tension and flow of a sporting competition. Edit because I don't want to add to my post count.. LOL Final ratings are up for Monday (including Cable) on the ratings thread.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 28, 2014 20:17:17 GMT -5
True, the fact we get numbers (and you can stick them on, I was wearing mine on my thigh in true Sasuke fashion until they took it) and still air everyone out of order is a bit worse. But hey at least we can geek out about getting numbers. (Granted they were supposed to give them back, I did not find that out until afterwards... So they still have a lot of the numbers the walk ons have)
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Post by dlee on May 28, 2014 20:52:04 GMT -5
Could someone explain to me. I don’t understand why it’s worse that ANW try to hide the strings of production (by not showing numbers). As oppose to being shown the "first" competitor run yet he is clearly wearing a #7. How was it confusing? It's a game show. They are competing for a financial prize & pride. Not a gold medal. They assemble it to what they believe will create the most drama and ENTERTAINING experience for the viewer.
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Post by arsenette on May 28, 2014 22:02:54 GMT -5
Could someone explain to me. I don’t understand why it’s worse that ANW try to hide the strings of production (by not showing numbers). As oppose to being shown the "first" competitor run yet he is clearly wearing a #7. How was it confusing? It's a game show. They are competing for a financial prize & pride. Not a gold medal. They assemble it to what they believe will create the most drama and ENTERTAINING experience for the viewer. Fabricated drama for literally no reason is not better than complete unpredictability when watching what is touted to be a true sports event. NBC is notorious for saying "oh this person was the first to pass this obstacle" only to know that 4 others really passed it first but got slower times and got cut from the show as a result (because they didn't break to top 15 to pass to the next stage). It's dishonest. NBC does it because it's easier for them to delete runs and make people believe that certain things happened "naturally" when they didn't. Heck. NBC does that with the friggin' Olympics and that's a true sporting event.
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Post by dlee on May 29, 2014 0:25:40 GMT -5
Could someone explain to me. I don’t understand why it’s worse that ANW try to hide the strings of production (by not showing numbers). As oppose to being shown the "first" competitor run yet he is clearly wearing a #7. How was it confusing? It's a game show. They are competing for a financial prize & pride. Not a gold medal. They assemble it to what they believe will create the most drama and ENTERTAINING experience for the viewer. Fabricated drama for literally no reason is not better than complete unpredictability when watching what is touted to be a true sports event. NBC is notorious for saying "oh this person was the first to pass this obstacle" only to know that 4 others really passed it first but got slower times and got cut from the show as a result (because they didn't break to top 15 to pass to the next stage). It's dishonest. NBC does it because it's easier for them to delete runs and make people believe that certain things happened "naturally" when they didn't. Heck. NBC does that with the friggin' Olympics and that's a true sporting event. Yeah i agree it is dishonest and super unfair to the people who do get cut from the show. Being a huge fan of ANW though i don't see the problem as a viewer. There is "literally" a reason for the fabricated drama and that’s to make it entertaining for casual fans or first time viewers. Im sure everyone on this forum would love if every run was shown, in order, un-edited (myself included, even though i enjoy most of the fluff-pieces apart from the heart-wrenching ones). But NBC obviously has their own agenda and the last thing they want is an episode (especially the 1st ep of series) to fall flat with all the casual fans. Which I do also understand. We have all seen sporting events that lack excitement for one reason or another and they just didn't want that as it still is a TV show. I understand where your all coming from but dont understand the reasoning to be concerned with trying to work out when NBC pulls the wool over our eyes and when they dont.
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on May 29, 2014 1:16:10 GMT -5
Is Jesse La Flair going to show up this season? A. Smith & Co., like always, bungled so many things on the Countdown show. Stage 3 getting called Stage 2, multiple times, is inexcusable. Jessie La Flair did run and they did not even show his run. Jessie went out on the Bungie Bridge as well with a DQ. Thanks for the info. I still don't like how A. Smith & Co. slobbers over their favorites, while people who've actually gotten far in previous seasons get passed over, like "Mr. Ninja Warrior."
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Post by arsenette on May 29, 2014 9:20:27 GMT -5
Yeah i agree it is dishonest and super unfair to the people who do get cut from the show. Being a huge fan of ANW though i don't see the problem as a viewer. There is "literally" a reason for the fabricated drama and that’s to make it entertaining for casual fans or first time viewers. Im sure everyone on this forum would love if every run was shown, in order, un-edited (myself included, even though i enjoy most of the fluff-pieces apart from the heart-wrenching ones). But NBC obviously has their own agenda and the last thing they want is an episode (especially the 1st ep of series) to fall flat with all the casual fans. Which I do also understand. We have all seen sporting events that lack excitement for one reason or another and they just didn't want that as it still is a TV show. I understand where your all coming from but dont understand the reasoning to be concerned with trying to work out when NBC pulls the wool over our eyes and when they dont. Having been trained as a television editor (and studied film editing in college) and worked for NBC for 5 years I have to vehemently disagree with your assessment. Even from the "casual" point of view ( using Japan vs. USA) as an example it is jarring when you see the fabricated drama. I think the core of the problem is NBC's insistence that it's audience is ignorant and stupid. That's insulting. When comparing the Olympic coverage to other networks who showed the exact same content you start to wonder why certain edits are made. THAT is why we psychoanalyze why they do certain edits. David was not last in this episode. He just wasn't. For those in the audience (as noted in the posts on this thread) they have a right to question why those edits were made. They were physically there and are questioning why people were deleted that cleared or reordered in such a way that their existence is either muted or altered. And YES they do pull a wool over our eyes. It's outright deception. They've been doing this for decades. As far as Ninja Warrior is concerned and specifically ANW, they already fabricated a clear in the past that destroyed whatever little trust some of us had on the network. In the end, we know NBC won't change. They have no reason to. They treat their audience as stupid sheep. That is why they are the 4th network in the country and why their budget shrinks every year with less and less sponsorship.
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Post by arsenette on May 30, 2014 9:42:46 GMT -5
Added Esquires numbers to the ratings thread. Was curious since they never showed ANW before and all they had was repeats (no new content iirc).
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Post by rsyoukilis20 on May 30, 2014 12:24:24 GMT -5
Yeah i agree it is dishonest and super unfair to the people who do get cut from the show. Being a huge fan of ANW though i don't see the problem as a viewer. There is "literally" a reason for the fabricated drama and that’s to make it entertaining for casual fans or first time viewers. Im sure everyone on this forum would love if every run was shown, in order, un-edited (myself included, even though i enjoy most of the fluff-pieces apart from the heart-wrenching ones). But NBC obviously has their own agenda and the last thing they want is an episode (especially the 1st ep of series) to fall flat with all the casual fans. Which I do also understand. We have all seen sporting events that lack excitement for one reason or another and they just didn't want that as it still is a TV show. I understand where your all coming from but dont understand the reasoning to be concerned with trying to work out when NBC pulls the wool over our eyes and when they dont. Having been trained as a television editor (and studied film editing in college) and worked for NBC for 5 years I have to vehemently disagree with your assessment. Even from the "casual" point of view ( using Japan vs. USA) as an example it is jarring when you see the fabricated drama. I think the core of the problem is NBC's insistence that it's audience is ignorant and stupid. That's insulting. When comparing the Olympic coverage to other networks who showed the exact same content you start to wonder why certain edits are made. THAT is why we psychoanalyze why they do certain edits. David was not last in this episode. He just wasn't. For those in the audience (as noted in the posts on this thread) they have a right to question why those edits were made. They were physically there and are questioning why people were deleted that cleared or reordered in such a way that their existence is either muted or altered. And YES they do pull a wool over our eyes. It's outright deception. They've been doing this for decades. As far as Ninja Warrior is concerned and specifically ANW, they already fabricated a clear in the past that destroyed whatever little trust some of us had on the network. In the end, we know NBC won't change. They have no reason to. They treat their audience as stupid sheep. That is why they are the 4th network in the country and why their budget shrinks every year with less and less sponsorship. 1. NBC was actually the number 1 network in the country this year in the key demo, and second to CBS in overall viewers. And given the stability of their schedule, that's unlikely to change anytime soon. 2. Enough with the fabricated run crap. It is ILLEGAL for NBC to alter results on ANW. Had NBC actually done this, NBC would have had the pants sued off them. I know this because I am a lawyer who has dealt with this stuff in the past. Pursuant to 47 U.S.C. 509(a)(1) - Prohibited Practices in Contests of Knowledge, Skill, or Chance: It is unlawful to provide any contestant with "any special and secret assistance whereby the outcome of such contest will be in whole or in part prearranged or predetermined." Furthermore, U.S.C. 509(a)(3) provides that it is unlawful "to engage in any artifice or scheme for the purpose of prearranging or predetermining in whole or in part the outcome of a purportedly bona fide contest." Now, I've read in the past on this site from people with supposed inside information that the law somehow doesn't apply to NBC because on the NDA's and contracts the contestants sign NBC makes it clear that ANW is a "program" and not a "contest." Even if this is true, it is completely irrelevant to the law. Obama insisted that Obamacare was not a tax, yet the Supreme Court found that it met the legal standard of a tax. In other words, Obama could protest that it wasn't a tax until he was blue in the mouth, just as I could protest that my dog is a chicken. Claiming something doesn't make it so. And in this case, 47 U.S.C. 509(b)(1) defines a contest to be "any contest broadcast by a radio station in connection with which any money or any other thing of value is offered as a prize or prizes to be paid or presented by the program sponsor or by any other person or persons, as announced in the course of the broadcast." It is important to note that "radio station" means both radio and TV station. In addition, FCC Rule 47 CFR 73.1216(A) mandates that "a licensee that broadcasts or advertises information about a contest it conducts shall fully and accurately disclose the material terms of the contest, and shall conduct the contest substantially as announced or advertised. No contest description shall be false, misleading or deceptive with respect to any material term." The FCC defines a contest to be "a scheme in which a prize is offered or awarded, based upon chance, diligence, knowledge or skill, to members of the public." Manipulation goes on in contests all the time. In the Amazing Race, for example, they make footraces to the Pit Stop Mat appear closer than they actually were. In American Idol or The Voice, they let the contestants favored by the producers go last. Or, in ANW, they air contestants out of order to increase drama. They do not, however, alter the actual results, as in doing so the producers would face jail time in addition to hefty fines. What we have here is supposed insiders spouting conspiracy theories they can't back up. It's worth noting that in addition to claiming that NBC fabricated a clear, these "insiders" were also claiming that there wasn't even a buzzer alerting contestants as to when they had 10 seconds left. This was proven to be blatantly false, among many other claims made that were also proven to be false. In fact, initially people were claiming that NBC had Brent redo his stage 2 run and that they had watched his second attempt. That soon changed to "well, okay, so they didn't do that, but what they actually did was have him redo the wall lift." Once again, neither or those two happened. Then, when it was suggested that audience clock only went down to tenths of seconds and not hundredths, meaning the audience clock would have displayed 0.0 instead of 0.03, people claimed that they timed a youtube cam video with a stopwatch. Well, there's a reason they now use automatic, digital timers in track and field and swimming. That's because human reaction times aren't great, thus making human controlled stopwatches inaccurate. If I tried to stop a stopwatch exactly when Brent finished, the time it took for my thumb to press down on the stopwatch would take more than 3 hundredths of a second. But none of that matters, because NBC producers and execs sure as hell didn't break the law and risk time in prison all so Brent Steffensen could move on to stage 3.
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Post by arsenette on May 30, 2014 15:47:25 GMT -5
I'm shaking my head. New person comes up just to trash talk me. Nothing new really. So here it goes. 1. NBC has been 4th for almost 10 years and then 3rd just for May sweeps (which lasts for 1 month). If you bother looking at the ratings threads for the past 2 years it's all there in black and white. I created a new one for this year for ANW6 and they are already down. So unless you are freaking out because this episode was lower in ratings, viewers and rankings as all of last year then there's nothing I can do for you. Don't blame me, blame the viewers for not tuning in. I personally haven't watched the show in 4 years. In fact, last year it was 5th to the point where Jay Leno famously was making fun of the fact that friggin' Univision soap operas were kicking it's a**. You are correct however that they are now #1 only in key demo (which is men). That hasn't happened in 10 years and that document just came out last week. That doesn't affect ANW6 THIS year unless that wasn't your argument at all. The budget was created based on the ratings from LAST year (when they were 5th) and my argument still stood for the purpose of comparison. I'm sure NBC will use THIS year's network overall standing to help woo the lost sponsor for NEXT year. This is how television works. They budget a year in advance as most business does. Television is no different. 2. It is not illegal to "fabricate". They created the rules and they let him pass the 2nd stage. There has been plenty of evidence that people love to ignore because it's easier to ignore what actually happened that night. Everyone also forgets that Nagano was there and he and TBS was shocked that he just timed out. It's NBC's show and they made a judgement call and used Faulty timers as an excuse. Hell the faulty timers would have been legit, however that does not change the fact that those in attendance that night (not watching on from a grainy youtube video) all had stop watches and all had the same problem - he timed out just before the buzzer. ALSO, last time I checked, if no one sued then there's no lawsuit. PERIOD. Everyone accepted what happened and moved on. The only lingering argument was by how MUCH he was slow. It was either 1 second or a full 4 seconds depending on who I talked to. All of that is irrelevant anyway. No one sued and Brent accepted NBC's decision. He to this day believes he cleared. This "game show" had a mechanism that had to be further tweaked to avoid the issues from ANW3 ever repeating and remove any doubt from anyone's minds. For those of us who supported Brent from his time in Sasuke - he of all people would have been good enough to be on Stage 3. He did it in Sasuke before. Had it been any other competitor (especially those who we didn't have any prior history with) the outcry would have been louder. If you bother reading the 37+ page NDA it clearly states there are loopholes that can make something like that possible. Again it's all irrelevant because he passed according to NBC. It doesn't nullify him being the first to pass ANW's UCH. If he had been in Sasuke I'm sure he would have passed that one as well. NBC is just being an a** and not sponsoring any Americans in Sasuke nor are they even contracted to show the original Japanese show on American soil. THAT is the bigger tragedy. And lastly, all of this is now 2 years old. So unless you have a problem with me directly I expect your stay in SMF is going to be short. I don't appreciate new people logging in just to attack me on a thread that has nothing to do with it. It's not only tiring, it's infuriating.
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Post by jams on May 30, 2014 16:22:33 GMT -5
blah blah... I am a lawyer... blah blah FCC Rule 47 CFR 73.1216: www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=c8aa8fa25d327f8f7def713ff0ec1510&node=47:4.0.1.1.2.8.1.20&rgn=div8I could be wrong, but I don't believe ANW falls under a licensee conducted contest since NBC themselves don't run the event or pay the prize money. Even if it did they still technically are meeting the requirements. Nowhere in the material terms listed does it mention the rules of the course, which I don't believe have ever been written or published, and are to their discretion. You can't mislead or be deceptive about something that doesn't exist, or aren't required to provide. The only documentation are in the application process and multiple releases that people have to sign just to run the course. All of which have people waiving any rights to sue or dispute anything. I've read the releases and they make it very clear up front that everything is to the Producers discretion and no decisions can be challenged. ANW is also officially classified as "sports entertainment". It is in the same category as Wipeout and professional wrestling, both of which have controlled outcomes. It is also similar to professional sports in which a referee's blown call can affect the outcome of a game. All of that aside, the fact that they let Brent pass when he came up short is not disputed among his fellow competitors. It was not started by "supposed insiders spouting conspiracy theories they can't back up". It is well known by the other competitors and audience members who were there to witness it. The people talking about it here are only repeating what has been seen or heard from those who witnessed it. Even in the original broadcast, although they tried to edit it the best they could, you could see the red "fail" lights come on before he hits the buzzer. There have also been many other instances of NBC allowing people to move on in qualifiers after being disqualified. Again this is because their rules are to their discretion and are not posted or written in any way. This can sometimes be seen clear as day even after editing. One example is last year in the Miami qualifiers with the Slider Jump. Some were disqualified after the bar fell off the track, but after lots of failures they started allowing people to clear if they continued to hold on by the safety wires and jumped to the net. I believe two of them even made it to Vegas because of that. It has also been said that this year in Denver a certain famous competitor made it to the top of the Warped Wall with a large wet spot from touching the water. There are competitors upset by it, but most are staying quiet because of the NDA. It will be interesting to see how it plays out on TV since it is said to have been very obvious he touched the water by those who were there. There is also a discussion in the facebook group currently about why some competitors in cities were disqualified for grabbing and holding on to the quintuple steps and other competitors weren't. I'm sure those who were disqualified from that will get cut from broadcast to not cause confusion.
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Anshin
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Post by Anshin on May 30, 2014 16:26:21 GMT -5
***huge post full of lots of legal speak*** **i don't know what jams is doing** Ok, so you make a good point, and Arsenette makes a good counter-point. You'd both be great in the debate club. Anyway, if you have any further issues, please take it to PMs or off-site. I don't want this thread turning into an argument over the legal implications of the legitimacy of results, just the results themselves are enough.
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