ANW6 - Monday, May 26 (NBC) (Spoilers)
May 30, 2014 17:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by rsyoukilis20 on May 30, 2014 17:19:21 GMT -5
I'm shaking my head. New person comes up just to trash talk me. Nothing new really. So here it goes.
1. NBC has been 4th for almost 10 years and then 3rd just for May sweeps (which lasts for 1 month). If you bother looking at the ratings threads for the past 2 years it's all there in black and white. I created a new one for this year for ANW6 and they are already down. So unless you are freaking out because this episode was lower in ratings, viewers and rankings as all of last year then there's nothing I can do for you. Don't blame me, blame the viewers for not tuning in. I personally haven't watched the show in 4 years. In fact, last year it was 5th to the point where Jay Leno famously was making fun of the fact that friggin' Univision soap operas were kicking it's a**. You are correct however that they are now #1 only in key demo (which is men). That hasn't happened in 10 years and that document just came out last week. That doesn't affect ANW6 THIS year unless that wasn't your argument at all. The budget was created based on the ratings from LAST year (when they were 5th) and my argument still stood for the purpose of comparison. I'm sure NBC will use THIS year's network overall standing to help woo the lost sponsor for NEXT year. This is how television works. They budget a year in advance as most business does. Television is no different.
2. It is not illegal to "fabricate". They created the rules and they let him pass the 2nd stage. There has been plenty of evidence that people love to ignore because it's easier to ignore what actually happened that night. Everyone also forgets that Nagano was there and he and TBS was shocked that he just timed out. It's NBC's show and they made a judgement call and used Faulty timers as an excuse. Hell the faulty timers would have been legit, however that does not change the fact that those in attendance that night (not watching on from a grainy youtube video) all had stop watches and all had the same problem - he timed out just before the buzzer. ALSO, last time I checked, if no one sued then there's no lawsuit. PERIOD. Everyone accepted what happened and moved on. The only lingering argument was by how MUCH he was slow. It was either 1 second or a full 4 seconds depending on who I talked to. All of that is irrelevant anyway. No one sued and Brent accepted NBC's decision. He to this day believes he cleared. This "game show" had a mechanism that had to be further tweaked to avoid the issues from ANW3 ever repeating and remove any doubt from anyone's minds. For those of us who supported Brent from his time in Sasuke - he of all people would have been good enough to be on Stage 3. He did it in Sasuke before. Had it been any other competitor (especially those who we didn't have any prior history with) the outcry would have been louder. If you bother reading the 37+ page NDA it clearly states there are loopholes that can make something like that possible. Again it's all irrelevant because he passed according to NBC. It doesn't nullify him being the first to pass ANW's UCH. If he had been in Sasuke I'm sure he would have passed that one as well. NBC is just being an a** and not sponsoring any Americans in Sasuke nor are they even contracted to show the original Japanese show on American soil. THAT is the bigger tragedy.
And lastly, all of this is now 2 years old. So unless you have a problem with me directly I expect your stay in SMF is going to be short. I don't appreciate new people logging in just to attack me on a thread that has nothing to do with it. It's not only tiring, it's infuriating.
1. Your original statement regarding NBC was "that is why they are the 4th network in the country." Well, no they aren't. They are currently 1st and have turned around their ratings woes. Yes, they had a long period of woeful struggles, but your initial post was not about that long period of struggles, since you claimed NBC is the 4th network in the present tense. In fact, given the success of Sunday Night Football, The Voice, The Blacklist, the Chicago Fire/Chicago PD tandem, About a Boy, and others, NBC is in fantastic shape heading into next fall. ABC, on the other hand, saw every new show tank at worst, and debut poorly at best, so they are in the worst shape out of the 4 major networks.
You then state "you are correct however that they are now #1 only in key demo (which is men). That hasn't happened in 10 years and that document just came out last week." First, the key demo is adults 18-49. This is BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. Not just men, as you wrote. Second, it's been known that NBC was going to be #1 for weeks, and who cares when that information came out? Why does that matter? If it came out last week, NBC is still #1.
Finally, you state "if you bother looking at the ratings threads for the past 2 years it's all there in black and white. I created a new one for this year for ANW6 and they are already down. So unless you are freaking out because this episode was lower in ratings, viewers and rankings as all of last year then there's nothing I can do for you. Don't blame me, blame the viewers for not tuning in." First, I was not writing about the ANW6 ratings. I was responding to your inaccurate statement that NBC as a network was 4th. Second, overnight TV viewership is down as a whole with the rise of DVR usage, On Demand, and online streaming. In the overnight ratings, ANW6's was actually tied for 1st in the key demo in the 9pm hour, and 1st in the key demo in the 10pm hour. NBC will be more than happy with those results, since the key demo is only the number that matters. The networks set their advertising rates on the key demo numbers, which is why they are called "key demo." Third, the overnight ratings no longer matter. The networks set their advertising rates based on the Live + 3 numbers. That means every Nielsen member that watches the show live or within 3 days later counts towards the advertising rates. Now, Nielsen does not publish these numbers, which is why they don't get reported. The Networks think 3 days is not enough, and they are pushing for Live +7 data to be used. If you look at the Live +7 ratings (which do get published) you'll see that TV ratings haven't actually fallen that much, but that instead more people watch shows after they air. Since the overnight ratings don't include people who watch the shows later, it appears that viewership numbers are way down.
2. You state that "it is not illegal to 'fabricate'." YES IT IS. I even quoted the relevant law. You then say "they created the rules and they let him pass the 2nd stage." It doesn't matter one bit if NBC creates a rule that allows them to alter results. THAT RULE WOULD STILL BE ILLEGAL. WalMart can't pay below minimum wage, and then claim they can violate employment law because they created a company rule that allows them to ignore minimum wage requirements. That's not how the law works. NBC has to follow the law, regardless of any rules they create.
Next, you write that "It's NBC's show and they made a judgement call and used Faulty timers as an excuse." It does not matter whether it is NBC's show. As I have established, NBC still has to follow the law. Second, nowhere has NBC claimed there were faulty timers. They haven't even addressed the issue. And further, the claim isn't faulty timers. The claim is that audience clock didn't go down to the hundredths of seconds.
You then state that "the faulty timers would have been legit, however that does not change the fact that those in attendance that night (not watching on from a grainy youtube video) all had stop watches and all had the same problem - he timed out just before the buzzer." So you are seriously telling me that people brought stopwatches to Vegas so that they could time the runs themselves, just in case NBC tried to fabricate results? And, even if that's true, it doesn't change the fact of what I wrote in my initial reply: there's a reason they now use automatic, digital timers in track and field and swimming. That's because human reaction times aren't great, thus making human controlled stopwatches inaccurate. If I tried to stop a stopwatch exactly when Brent finished, the time it took for my thumb to press down on the stopwatch would take more than 3 hundredths of a second. And these people in the audience, if they had stopwatches, would only have one chance to get things right. One chance to press the stop button at the exact moment Brent's fingertips pressed down on the button. One chance to press that button in 3 hundredths of a second. From the moment they decide he's pressed his button, to the moment they then press stop on their stopwatches, time will be lost. Then even more time will lost in the downward motion of their thumbs to hit the stopwatch. No, it won't be a lot of time lost, but it will be more than 3 hundredths of a second. For example, the NBA record for a tip-in buzzer beater is .1 seconds. This is not a catch and shoot, but rather a player batting the ball into the net with their hands. For those unfamiliar with the rules, the clock doesn't start until the ball is touched. Since .1 seconds is too long for a player to catch the ball and shoot it, the player in-bounding the ball lobs it towards the hoop, and a teammate tries to tip the ball in. The clock in the NBA is manually controlled, so it actually likely took longer than .1 seconds. To everyone reading this: quickly bat your hand forward in the air. As quick as possible. That took, at a minimum, .1 seconds. It probably took longer. If that's .1 seconds, imagine how fast you would have to bat your hand to do it in .03 seconds. In other words, you would have to be Superman or The Flash.
In addition, you write "ALSO, last time I checked, if no one sued then there's no lawsuit. PERIOD. Everyone accepted what happened and moved on." Or, there wasn't any wrongdoing on NBC's part, and thus no lawsuit. You don't seem to understand that NBC executives and producers would NEVER risk jail time and huge fines all so Brent Steffensen could attempt stage 3. You also don't understand how the law works when you write "if you bother reading the 37+ page NDA it clearly states there are loopholes that can make something like that possible." NBC does not have the power to circumvent the law through loopholes in its NDA. NBC can't say "we are allowed to break the law and alter results because we said we are allowed to in the NDA's."
Finally, you state "and lastly, all of this is now 2 years old. So unless you have a problem with me directly I expect your stay in SMF is going to be short. I don't appreciate new people logging in just to attack me on a thread that has nothing to do with it. It's not only tiring, it's infuriating." First, I am not attacking you. I am pointing out how ludicrous it would be for NBC to violate the law, risk prison and huge fines, all so Brent Steffenson could advance past stage two. Second, I've been a lurker for awhile, but decided to jump in an post because I'm tired of seeing NBC's name besmirched unfairly, and tired of conspiracy theorists spouting theories they can't back up. You, Arsenette, were not present at the taping, and you admitted you didn't even watch the episode. NBC has done plenty of stupid things with their ANW coverage, like the insanely long player intros. Thankfully they've cut down on those intros this year. Violating the law to alter results, however, is not something they have done. Third, you can't say "all of this is now 2 years old" and claim it's being brought up irrelevantly in a "thread that has nothing to do with it" when you were the one who brought it up. You wrote "as far as Ninja Warrior is concerned and specifically ANW, they already fabricated a clear in the past that destroyed whatever little trust some of us had on the network." You can't accuse NBC of fabricating a result in a thread and then get upset when somebody jumps in and challenges your accusation. Last but not least, you state that you expect my "stay in SMF is going to be short." If disagreeing with you and pointing out why NBC wouldn't break the law results in me being banned and thus having the short stay, then so be it. It may tire and infuriate you that I disagreed with your post, but not everyone is going to agree with you.
EDIT: I see now that while I was writing this long post Anshinritsumai replied and asked that the thread not be turned into an argument. I didn't see the post until I hit the send button, so I will let this be my last post on the subject.