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Post by dudesky1000 on Dec 9, 2012 23:13:22 GMT -5
Why do people keep propagating the erroneous rumor that Shun was even in the running to be an All-Star? Again.. the wrong criteria. Bunpei was added as a fan favorite in TBS. Period.. This has been dispelled years ago. And for the record Shun has never been in even close to being in the running for the Olympics so that is also erroneous. The "Shin Sedai" people keep talking about weren't even formed until after Kanno made it to the final THEN they tried to run with that moniker but then dropped it because no one had a strong enough success record to stay on that list long enough to matter. Inui is now back and they are going back to the original meaning of the word so I strongly suspect that if they plan to start a new set of stars it would be with the original ambassador meaning. These will be the faces of Sasuke from now on replacing the old guard. Success in and of itself is only one small part of being an All-Star which is why I'm not alarmed or surprised that Asa is there and Kouji is not. Based on that, and the knowledge that all of our current (now retiring) All-Stars represent the 'everyman' with a non-competitive athletic background and 'average' day job, we can get a clearer idea of who our next set of stars may be. I will not be stupid enough to speculate the exact list of who that may be but Asa, as someone who doesn't seem to have a competitive history in gymnastics or other sport and what you'd probably call an 'everyman' job seems to fit that trend. Kouji on the other hand is a bit more of an athletic type from the start... perhaps too much to be considered a part of this group. He's got a very competitive background in gymnastics and is a personal trainer. Li En Zhi would also not be a part of this group because he is a professional rock climber. Okuyama also. See where I'm getting at? On the other hand there is Ryo (painter), Yuuji (shoe salesman) and Kanno (future Yamada )
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Post by scnoi1217 on Dec 9, 2012 23:26:35 GMT -5
Why do people keep propagating the erroneous rumor that Shun was even in the running to be an All-Star? Again.. the wrong criteria. Bunpei was added as a fan favorite in TBS. Period.. This has been dispelled years ago. And for the record Shun has never been in even close to being in the running for the Olympics so that is also erroneous. The "Shin Sedai" people keep talking about weren't even formed until after Kanno made it to the final THEN they tried to run with that moniker but then dropped it because no one had a strong enough success record to stay on that list long enough to matter. Inui is now back and they are going back to the original meaning of the word so I strongly suspect that if they plan to start a new set of stars it would be with the original ambassador meaning. These will be the faces of Sasuke from now on replacing the old guard. Success in and of itself is only one small part of being an All-Star which is why I'm not alarmed or surprised that Asa is there and Kouji is not. The confusion with Shunsuke being considered an All-Star started with his introduction in SASUKE 19 when the announcer then said, "Will Nagasaki be the first All-Star to finish Stage One?" While he wasn't considered one in that broadcast or any subsequent one, the announcer still said that and thus the confusion. sasukepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nagasaki_Shunsuke
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Post by arsenette on Dec 10, 2012 0:04:28 GMT -5
He has never been officially named since so that should have died with that back in 2007 when the mistake by Hatsuda but they still propagate it that he was made into an All-Star. The fact that it has never been named past that should have been proof enough that it was a mistake to say it. If this happened last year or recent then it would make sense but this is so far past the statute of limitations that it shouldn't even be part of the discussion. Considering that it's already happening now with this one photo and we still don't know if they are indeed coming up with a new set of All-stars I always shudder at the 70 billion criteria that people insist are a part of the All-Star moniker. TBS picks them based on ambassadorship potential, fan viewership letters, overall results or potential and they didn't repeat styles. That's what was important about how they chose the original All-stars and why I'm convinced if they chose this set (if that is what is perceived from that photo) then they used identical criteria. Heck Kouji and Kanno are both gymnasts with almost the same background. Only difference is that Kanno has had the expectation put on him from day one and Kouji keeps getting fast-forwarded in the main broadcast. That alone should tell you if TBS likes them or not.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 10, 2012 1:17:49 GMT -5
I think people got confused by the mistake since 19 was Shunsuke's last run... While it was an error and he has never been recognized as an All Star aside from one derp from the announcer in 19... people are probably (stupidly) getting confused because he hasn't had another run where they treat him as a normal competitor...
But it's still stupid people thought he was an All Star when he was never officially considered one... and pretty much all "Unofficial All-Stars" are completely missing the point of the All Stars... >_>
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Post by lostinube on Dec 10, 2012 4:21:01 GMT -5
Even if he only gets to the 2nd Stage (and fails there), Asa would be a good choice for an All-Star because he has more of the "it" factor than any of the other next generation competitors. He exudes passion and charisma that the others either lack or do not show very often.
Any UNCLI member or STQer is going to get my vote anyway.
Okuyama and Kongu (I don't think any has mentioned him) simply have the bad luck of being contemporaries of the All-Stars (age wise) but reaching their peaks at the same time the All-Stars were starting to decline.
Li is not Japanese. That's pretty much it. But in some ways, that is good for him. He will always be an outsider, yes, but he is pretty much the most accomplished and successful (and thus most respected) non-Japanese competitor ever, putting him into a class of his own.
Note: There used to be a time when you could say "Mr. SASUKE" or "Naniwa Terminator" with a straight face.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 10, 2012 8:16:13 GMT -5
For Kenji another factor might be how he kinda missed the chance to be an All Star originally, granted that might be for the fact he didn't even compete in 8-15, but he still was present while the people who became All-Stars were starting out, so he may not even be in the running for TBS
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Post by yamfriend on Dec 10, 2012 13:24:47 GMT -5
Li is not Japanese. That's pretty much it. But in some ways, that is good for him. He will always be an outsider, yes, but he is pretty much the most accomplished and successful (and thus most respected) non-Japanese competitor ever, putting him into a class of his own. This is kind of off-topic, but couldn't you also arguably say this about Kane (despite being in a completely different era of Sasuke)? Don't get me wrong, Li definitely fits this description in the more recent tournaments, but Kane (despite being Japanese-American) was a huge factor in the rising popularity of Sasuke in Japan back in the old days. Also, Kane was arguably just as (if not more) accomplished/successful/respected as Li is now in terms of Sasuke. More on-topic: Shunsuke hasn't been the only one who has been mistaken for an All-Star. Shinji Kobayashi has been alluded to being one a few times in both the original Japanese broadcasts and the edited versions of Ninja Warrior in other countries. For example, if you watch the G4 version of Sasuke 16, Shinji's fail replay and/or "Warrior Wipeout" calls him an All-Star.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Dec 10, 2012 13:27:22 GMT -5
Well, yeah, but Li is obviously performing consistently well in an undeniably harder era of the show. I don't think there's very much dispute he's the most successful foreign competitor in terms of results relative to course difficulty.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 10, 2012 16:12:53 GMT -5
I still can't believe we are arguing about how TBS choses All-Stars. I give up. If people can't grasp the idea that the All-star moniker as created to fill the void of Kane Kosugi (and not before) then really that makes sense why no one is getting it now 10 years later Also explains why people think anyone past the original formation of the All-stars were somehow thinking that they needed to add more members.. they didn't get the concept of the original thus the argument we have now. I totally give up. Anyway.. Yuuji posted 2 grainy pics from the celebration dinner they had after the All-star special was recorded.
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Post by TCM on Dec 10, 2012 16:22:54 GMT -5
Looks like Kouji was there after all OK, I'll stop.
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Post by lostinube on Dec 10, 2012 19:15:41 GMT -5
This is kind of off-topic, but couldn't you also arguably say this about Kane (despite being in a completely different era of Sasuke)? Don't get me wrong, Li definitely fits this description in the more recent tournaments, but Kane (despite being Japanese-American) was a huge factor in the rising popularity of Sasuke in Japan back in the old days. Also, Kane was arguably just as (if not more) accomplished/successful/respected as Li is now in terms of Sasuke. Kane is an exception in many ways but he is based in Japan and his adult career up until that point was based on doing Japanese TV shows. Gaijin based in Japan can become part of the system. If Li moved to Japan it would be a different story.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 12, 2012 18:24:21 GMT -5
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Post by TCM on Dec 12, 2012 19:05:39 GMT -5
Looking fresh.
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Post by thatoneuser on Dec 12, 2012 19:44:36 GMT -5
#sasukeswag
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Post by TCM on Dec 12, 2012 19:52:35 GMT -5
I hate the word swag lol.
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Post by thatoneuser on Dec 12, 2012 19:58:00 GMT -5
Me too, just tried to be... Ironic? Funny? Not sure what word to put there.
And now, back on topic.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 12, 2012 22:07:51 GMT -5
(Not actually a spoiler, aside to the punchline of a joke) Although I'm sure you already knew that...
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Post by arsenette on Dec 12, 2012 22:11:47 GMT -5
Guys cut it out (especially YOU Rider).. the damn thread is 31 pages long for goodness sake Anyway if the translation I received is correct.. Navi will be December 22nd. Schedule is not out yet but if that is correct then we can schedule around that. No time yet. The schedule for the 22nd should be up in a couple of days as the TBS website is updated a week in advance. Edit: Posted a blog with the information on both as we know it. ramblingrican.blogspot.com/2012/12/sasuke-related-news.html
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Post by TCM on Dec 13, 2012 4:45:28 GMT -5
I don't know if this is fan made or not, but a small Rising Facebook page was created on November 29th, but it's significant because it's cover photo is Stage 3 in a blue tint. www.facebook.com/sasuke.tbsI wish I could download it, but you can't download cover photos unless you print screen and extract the picture. Edit: The about says "TBSƒeƒŒƒr@uSASUKEvŒöŽ®Facebookƒy[ƒW" which Google says means "Official Facebook page TBS TV "SASUKE"", but obviously it barely has any likes because no one knows how to promote. I just read the first post: ‚r‚`‚r‚t‚j‚d@‚q‚h‚r‚h‚m‚f ŒöŽ®Facebookƒy[ƒWƒAƒbƒv‚µ‚Ü‚µ‚½I ”Ô‘gŒöŽ®‚g‚o‚ƘA“®‚µ‚ÄA ÅVî•ñ‚ð‚¨“Í‚¯‚µ‚Ä‚¢‚«‚Ü‚·II "SASUKE RISING Was up official Facebook page! In conjunction with the HP official program, I will continue to deliver the latest information! !"
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Post by lostinube on Dec 13, 2012 9:11:51 GMT -5
A facebook feed for that account is now part of the SASUKE Rising page.
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