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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Mar 9, 2011 20:11:05 GMT -5
Why are you guys nitpicking about whether David directly posted that on this forum or not? Regardless, David saying bootcamp didn't help him does not create the conclusion that bootcamp is pointless or helps no one. Really so how do you know then that it helped the other members at boot camp? Option is different than fact
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 20:27:52 GMT -5
Why are you guys nitpicking about whether David directly posted that on this forum or not? Regardless, David saying bootcamp didn't help him does not create the conclusion that bootcamp is pointless or helps no one. Boot Camp wears you down instead of strengthening your body each day. Brian, Paul K. and a few others had their fingers bandaged, Shane reinjured his wrist and Dorian reinjured his ankle. Yeah people are getting hurt too easily at boot camp. Boot Camp is both pointless and dangerous.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 9, 2011 20:51:20 GMT -5
Did you forget the fact they only let you train at certain times? And if you lost the pressure challenge that training time was cut even farther... This is just what you learn from watching the episodes... The boot camp hurt more than it helped..
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Post by Badalight on Mar 9, 2011 20:59:04 GMT -5
How many obstacles did they train on that were actually on the course?
1. Warped Wall
2. Double Salmon Ladder
3. Balance Tank
4. Some Pseudo Cliff-hanger
5. ...
So 4 obstacles... only 1 of them was a first stage obstacle.
The cliff-hanger was so bad that I'm sure it didn't help at all. Even still you can easy replicate that same thing on ANY edge. It is not hard to train for the cliff-hanger...
The balance Tank is actually what caused Travis to fail. It was different than the one on Sasuke slightly, and Travis changed his technique during bootcamp, and spelled his doom.
The double salmon ladder? Sure.
The Warped Wall? Sure.
Yeah, didn't help, sorry.
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Post by Oti on Mar 9, 2011 21:13:26 GMT -5
Throwing my hat into the ring in hopes this stupid argument will go away and this topic can be used for useful information. Please do not step on it as it is my favorite hat. Just saying 2 of the competitors who made it to stage 3 probably wouldn't have made it there without bootcamp. How do you figure? Were G4's antics really THAT valuable? Could it be that the finalists this time around were actually decent? You don't need specific practice, especially horribly organized, vastly spaced out practice. Regardless, David saying bootcamp didn't help him does not create the conclusion that bootcamp is pointless or helps no one. No, but it does show that some people are better off training on their own. Do you think experienced people like Levi and Brian need to be locked in a house and forced to follow G4's retarded (yes, retarded) training regimine? David is improving each time. Does he need to follow G4's advice? Don't you think these people know what they're doing? Don't you think anyone else who has made it that far has a decent idea of what they're doing? The cliff-hanger was so bad that I'm sure it didn't help at all. Even still you can easy replicate that same thing on ANY edge. It is not hard to train for the cliff-hanger... Strength and endurance is easy to train. The specific things (transitions, jumps, etc.) would be better left to some sort of replica. Now, I didn't see it, but from your description, I'm going to assume G4's thing was useless. The balance Tank is actually what caused Travis to fail. It was different than the one on Sasuke slightly, and Travis changed his technique during bootcamp, and spelled his doom. I don't buy this. What happened exactly? The double salmon ladder? Sure. The Warped Wall? Sure. To add to your "bootcamp was useless" campaign, the people there already proved they could do these (for the most part). Having them here may have helped make interesting challenges, but as far as overall improvement in qualities and techniques... no. Yeah, didn't help, sorry. Preeeetty much.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 9, 2011 21:30:24 GMT -5
Strength and endurance is easy to train. The specific things (transitions, jumps, etc.) would be better left to some sort of replica. Now, I didn't see it, but from your description, I'm going to assume G4's thing was useless. The version at boot camp had ledges like the one at the Mini Course, and it was set up differently, What it was, was one sort of like the second ledge of the UCH followed by www.majhost.com/gallery/manaleader/Sasuke/SasukeContinued2/vlcsnap-2010-12-09-19h19m52s181.png[/img(Yes you go the opposite way as all cliffhangers but ledge two on the UCH) I don't buy this. What happened exactly? What Travis did in Boot Camp was he started the tank, jumped to it, And from there he jumped off to the ending platform, Also the design of it was rounder (not perfect round but not realistic to the real one) and the one at Sasuke is much blockier
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Post by Badalight on Mar 9, 2011 21:37:51 GMT -5
I don't buy this. What happened exactly? Well, from what Travis said... he said after going to the bootcamp and failing on the G4 balance tank, at the camp he developed a "new technique" to handling the obstacle. Who knows if his original technique would've worked or not, but the new one that he used because of the G4 version obviously didn't work
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 21:38:37 GMT -5
How many obstacles did they train on that were actually on the course? 1. Warped Wall 2. Double Salmon Ladder 3. Balance Tank 4. Some Pseudo Cliff-hanger 5. ... So 4 obstacles... only 1 of them was a first stage obstacle. The cliff-hanger was so bad that I'm sure it didn't help at all. Even still you can easy replicate that same thing on ANY edge. It is not hard to train for the cliff-hanger... The balance Tank is actually what caused Travis to fail. It was different than the one on Sasuke slightly, and Travis changed his technique during bootcamp, and spelled his doom. The double salmon ladder? Sure. The Warped Wall? Sure. Yeah, didn't help, sorry. Well, the Cliffhanger at Boot Camp sucked because you actually were able to put your fingers in the back of the ledge instead of on top like always.
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Post by Oti on Mar 9, 2011 21:55:33 GMT -5
I'm gonna blame Travis for that one. Who believes G4 gets any replicas right?
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Post by cole77000 on Mar 9, 2011 22:04:06 GMT -5
My opinion is that the replicas would help many people, just not the ones who would be in the finals. If they couldn't complete those obstacles they were training on, it was unlikely that they would even get to the boot camp to begin with (they had t scale a warped wall twice to get to the warped wall at boot camp).
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Post by RobbyMac on Mar 9, 2011 22:11:08 GMT -5
I still think bootcamp is most useful to those who are actually skilled but don't know the obstacles in Japan. That doesn't mean that it can't help the others. It also helped the competitors bond so they actually became a team. I appreciated it, putting it down didn't get us anywhere and probably won't change anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 22:12:49 GMT -5
I'm hoping for ANW3, boot camp will help them, like you guys said.
But what people aren't even bitching about anymore, which I thought was sdiben27's point, was the drama aspect.
THAT, I want to stay in. They can do both, obviously. Have an area that training is good, yet, add drama, so casual folks will be more interested.
I just don't want the boring things you guys come up with. Sorry, I want my survivor style drama.
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Post by Oti on Mar 9, 2011 22:26:34 GMT -5
I disagree with just about all of that, Robby. I also don't think all the drama should be added. That's not what Sasuke is. Why should a trial for Sasuke be that way? Makes no sense.
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Post by jfeathe on Mar 9, 2011 22:44:18 GMT -5
I can't understand why G4 can't do real obstacle replicas (as in EXACT copies) of the obstacles in Sasuke. They've got the money (how expensive could it possibly be?), yet people's HOME courses are designed better.
They should also have the obstacles open 24/7 for the competitors to utilize as they wish.
Again, if G4 would just make minor changes they could elevate ANW into a very well done production.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 9, 2011 22:55:30 GMT -5
I can't understand why G4 can't do real obstacle replicas (as in EXACT copies) of the obstacles in Sasuke. They've got the money (how expensive could it possibly be?), yet people's HOME courses are designed better. They should also have the obstacles open 24/7 for the competitors to utilize as they wish. Again, if G4 would just make minor changes they could elevate ANW into a very well done production. You just gave me the best idea. They should simply hold ANW3 at the Death Sasuke course!
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Post by arsenette on Mar 9, 2011 23:37:30 GMT -5
I actually liked ANW2's prelims and semi's (though honestly.. running the course twice was such a shortcut it was stupid).. but that said I wish they expand on THIS rather than going in a completely different direction.. This is supposed to be about Sasuke.. not voting people off in a Survivor set up. I'd be happier with them doing a real 4 stage course and calling it a day.. but G4 isn't going to do that.. they are thinking this is compelling television.. it's only worked for one show.. Survivor.. that's it.. all other Survivor clones have failed miserably in the ratings.. Considering how popular worldwide Sasuke is by itself.. doing a trials for Sasuke would actually be simple if G4 didn't want to be known for coming up with something completely different.. I mean wtf.. why are they trying to reinvent the wheel? Either way.. they insist boot was worth it for their sponsors.. they obviously don't give a rat's a$$ about ratings.. it's the lowest rated cable station in the country.. most people don't give a .. well you know.. about it. It's the Sasuke fans that have to endure the agony. Agree with Oti.. let's get on with it. We know there's boot.. unless someone comes up with a thread as to what direction boot is going to take I suggest we keep this thread about the actual content that is announced.. not the 14 pages of anticipation. That's why we have a "new thread" option
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 3:08:35 GMT -5
G4 could care less about ratings, but I'd bet their finals will be something we don't like... again. Boot camp was just bad though. It was too sketchy I mean I see the idea in it, but it's just not our thing. We want SASUKE courses not Sucky Survivor set ups.
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Post by Oti on Mar 10, 2011 4:46:37 GMT -5
G4 could care less about ratings
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Post by RobbyMac on Mar 10, 2011 10:31:40 GMT -5
I disagree with just about all of that, Robby. I also don't think all the drama should be added. That's not what Sasuke is. Why should a trial for Sasuke be that way? Makes no sense. Well I guess you're a bad teammate then. *Shrugs* I think you're biased because you don't want to do bootcamp.
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Post by sdiben27 on Mar 10, 2011 10:53:34 GMT -5
To the people who insist that a great homemade course (like David's) is better at improving skills, I'm not disagreeing.... but it should not be a prerequisite that you need to be friends with David, Brian or Levi in order to contend in ANW. Having raw skills (and the drive) that can be molded into a great Sasuke competitor should matter a lot more than networking.
Yes, let's change the details. Take it out of the desert. Feed everyone sufficiently. Give them more time to test the obstacles aside from the direct challenges. Remove the punishments.
It'd be great if the true rookies like Brent, Paul or Evan came here and give their two cents on whether they found boot camp beneficial.
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