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Post by quasikoz on Mar 8, 2011 19:48:43 GMT -5
G4's gonna give a quarter million to someone who does the best on an eight-obstacled course designed for training more or less? There's a reason it was tied to winning Sasuke. Agreed. There is a possibility the money prize could be less this time around, but that's only if someone in G4 thinks a money prize = ratings or a story for the competition.
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Post by sdiben27 on Mar 8, 2011 20:32:39 GMT -5
I liked the voting. Makes for good television *eats popcorn.* Thank god none of you guys are TV directors. At least someone feels this way besides me. Boot camp was great because it allowed us to see personalities of the competitiors. Patrick Cusic's struggle at boot camp made for an interesting storyline. And for the Sasuke purists that make up this forum: we got a more detailed look into the strengths and weaknesses of the competitors. So much so that boot camp created a pecking order of the strongest competitors, which added to the excitement of seeing how this played out during the actual Sasuke event. This is just a theory after lurking the forums for a few weeks now, but I tend to believe people are partly angry because Boot Camp was INCREDIBLY successful at training people for the the course... and Americans outcompeting the rest of the field hurts the "tradition" of Sasuke.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 8, 2011 21:36:06 GMT -5
I liked the voting. Makes for good television *eats popcorn.* Thank god none of you guys are TV directors. At least someone feels this way besides me. Boot camp was great because it allowed us to see personalities of the competitiors. Patrick Cusic's struggle at boot camp made for an interesting storyline. And for the Sasuke purists that make up this forum: we got a more detailed look into the strengths and weaknesses of the competitors. So much so that boot camp created a pecking order of the strongest competitors, which added to the excitement of seeing how this played out during the actual Sasuke event. This is just a theory after lurking the forums for a few weeks now, but I tend to believe people are partly angry because Boot Camp was INCREDIBLY successful at training people for the the course... and Americans outcompeting the rest of the field hurts the "tradition" of Sasuke. Lol what are you talking about? David Campbell said himself that the boot camp actually hindered his training. When he got back to his home he could no longer complete his UCH. This can be attributed to them standing around doing nothing all day, and being fed crap food. I'm sure it may have helped some of the people who hardly knew anything about Sasuke, but that's about it. Considering David already has his own replicas and is a huge Sasuke fan, it didn't help him, it hurt him.
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Post by Oti on Mar 8, 2011 22:18:10 GMT -5
I agree. Total waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 22:41:30 GMT -5
I liked the voting. Makes for good television *eats popcorn.* Thank god none of you guys are TV directors. At least someone feels this way besides me. Boot camp was great because it allowed us to see personalities of the competitiors. Patrick Cusic's struggle at boot camp made for an interesting storyline. And for the Sasuke purists that make up this forum: we got a more detailed look into the strengths and weaknesses of the competitors. So much so that boot camp created a pecking order of the strongest competitors, which added to the excitement of seeing how this played out during the actual Sasuke event. This is just a theory after lurking the forums for a few weeks now, but I tend to believe people are partly angry because Boot Camp was INCREDIBLY successful at training people for the the course... and Americans outcompeting the rest of the field hurts the "tradition" of Sasuke. Generally, this forum loves Japan, so any American interference pisses them off (I.E. if G4 spells the name of one meaningless competitor, people have riots over it.), however this is only apparent in.... 5 users. With that said, even with those 5 users, I don't think that's the case with the American's going to Japan to compete, only simply with G4, and how they handle Sasuke. If they don't handle Sasuke in a strict, 100% fully sasuke manner, they don't like it.
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Post by cole77000 on Mar 8, 2011 23:21:42 GMT -5
I liked the voting. Makes for good television *eats popcorn.* Thank god none of you guys are TV directors. At least someone feels this way besides me. Boot camp was great because it allowed us to see personalities of the competitiors. Patrick Cusic's struggle at boot camp made for an interesting storyline. And for the Sasuke purists that make up this forum: we got a more detailed look into the strengths and weaknesses of the competitors. So much so that boot camp created a pecking order of the strongest competitors, which added to the excitement of seeing how this played out during the actual Sasuke event. This is just a theory after lurking the forums for a few weeks now, but I tend to believe people are partly angry because Boot Camp was INCREDIBLY successful at training people for the the course... and Americans outcompeting the rest of the field hurts the "tradition" of Sasuke. I wouldn't say it was all that helpful. I think that it was coincidence that the competitors sent to Japan did extremely well. The fact that they did so well was because we had a lot of great new (and less new) talent there, not because of boot camp. Plus, an obstacle that was there, the balance tank, Travis fell on in Japan. I know this isn't the best example, but I think it shows that if someone was mostly unable to complete an obstacel in the first place, boot camp did not help as much as you think it might have. I will say though Brent seemed to make some progress on the warped wall though (he struggled with it a camp or am I wrong?). Also, you have now learned that if you post here you are likely to get attacked by 15% of the active members
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Post by jfeathe on Mar 8, 2011 23:41:17 GMT -5
Whether Bootcamp was helpful training-wise to the contenders or not doesn't matter in terms of picking the best people.
The people who were the weakest went home with maybe 1 exception. The team round that made up the majority of the competition exposed who was the best and who was the worst. Even if the obstacles were shoddy, they were effective in determining ability.
As I see it, the individual challenge at the beginning of each episode was meant to be a fun diversion to the main competition. If anyone's seen Top Chef, EVERY episode has a "Quickfire Challnenge" that's meaningless in terms of eliminations but really fun to watch due to the creativity of the challenges.
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Post by sdiben27 on Mar 9, 2011 0:28:36 GMT -5
I'm sure it may have helped some of the people who hardly knew anything about Sasuke, but that's about it. Considering David already has his own replicas and is a huge Sasuke fan, it didn't help him, it hurt him. You are almost agreeing with me here. The vast majority of Sasuke competitors (with actual potential to become great) do not have their own modeled courses to practice on. I'd venture a guess that most of the 10 competitiors benefited from Boot camp. Rookies like Brent, Paul and Evan were able to shine without years of Sasuke experience being a prerequisite. I became fascinated with Sasuke a few months ago in part because of the human element ANW2 provided. Boot camp was one of the aspects of the show layout that let us get to know the competitors. The minor details (ex: food issues) can be changed for ANW3. So the question is: do boot camp haters here really just dislike the particulars about ANW2 boot camp that can be altered next time, or is there a bigger issue here?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 0:32:39 GMT -5
I assume it's the reality show aspect that makes people hate it.
David himself also said that boot camp didn't really help.*
*Someone else said this though, I don't if David really said that or not.
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Post by baronbk on Mar 9, 2011 1:33:12 GMT -5
The real reason David wasn't very good when he came back is because his heart wasn't in it. He was too depressed that I didn't make it. jhahaha
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Post by Oti on Mar 9, 2011 1:50:21 GMT -5
I'd just like to add that even if someone doesn't have a course in their back yard, that time could have been better spent training strength, power, endurance, cardio, flexibility... Specific obstacle training is only so important, and people who are coordinated enough can pull off great runs without much "real" practice.
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Post by RobbyMac on Mar 9, 2011 2:34:38 GMT -5
Just saying 2 of the competitors who made it to stage 3 probably wouldn't have made it there without bootcamp.
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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Mar 9, 2011 6:55:37 GMT -5
I'm sure it may have helped some of the people who hardly knew anything about Sasuke, but that's about it. Considering David already has his own replicas and is a huge Sasuke fan, it didn't help him, it hurt him. You are almost agreeing with me here. The vast majority of Sasuke competitors (with actual potential to become great) do not have their own modeled courses to practice on. I'd venture a guess that most of the 10 competitiors benefited from Boot camp. Rookies like Brent, Paul and Evan were able to shine without years of Sasuke experience being a prerequisite. I became fascinated with Sasuke a few months ago in part because of the human element ANW2 provided. Boot camp was one of the aspects of the show layout that let us get to know the competitors. The minor details (ex: food issues) can be changed for ANW3. So the question is: do boot camp haters here really just dislike the particulars about ANW2 boot camp that can be altered next time, or is there a bigger issue here? Ummm you really think so? What I saw was just added drama. I think the boot camp was the WORSE way to train. Especially in that extreme heat they were in. And I was surprised none were injured during the boot camp either. Anyways boot camp = HORRIBLE!!! I will never go on ANW if I have to go to boot camp.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 9, 2011 8:01:31 GMT -5
I assume it's the reality show aspect that makes people hate it. David himself also said that boot camp didn't really help.* *Someone else said this though, I don't if David really said that or not. No JP, David said that.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 9, 2011 15:03:40 GMT -5
Agreed. David posted a long discussion as to why it was just bad. Everyone suffered in the training while in boot. Considering as well that boot and Sasuke were a full 2 months apart it's outrageous to think that having that "training" in boot 2 months prior actually helped them. David spent the next 2 months getting back in shape and training his a** off (like everyone else that was picked in boot) to be ready for Japan. This was the complete opposite in Japan when they all thought it was canceled and had less than 2 weeks to mentally prepare for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 16:58:00 GMT -5
I meant someone said that David said that.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 9, 2011 17:26:26 GMT -5
I meant someone said that David said that. He did.. what part are you having issues understanding?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 9, 2011 18:09:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 18:32:29 GMT -5
... Nevermind. Even I'm confused as to why I posted that. I may have.... eh, i don't know. I'm tired, ignore me >_>
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Post by sdiben27 on Mar 9, 2011 20:01:15 GMT -5
Why are you guys nitpicking about whether David directly posted that on this forum or not? Regardless, David saying bootcamp didn't help him does not create the conclusion that bootcamp is pointless or helps no one.
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