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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2010 9:18:37 GMT -5
David (sorry the stupid quotes was not helping me today.. LOL) This is actually not the first time they have had issues with someone not being able to clear something. Fresh or not. IIRC the final for 20 (the steel ladder) was unbeatable.. It's actually.. quite common.. especially since .. what are they supposed to do.. NOT run whatever stage they put that in? This reminds me of everyone here in SMF coming up with these brilliant (and I'm being sarcastic with some) obstacles that look phenomenal on paper then SUCK when it's implemented (either too easy or too hard). It's actually pretty impossible to know how a new obstacle will do once put on unless it's tested at nauseum.. and even then.. it never accounts to how the person is psychologically ready for the obstacle. Especially in 25 any new obstacle had a "wha?" factor whether it was considered easy or hard. Usually with "new" obstacles people will fail it simply because they are not ready to deal with it psychologically. Also, remember Kunoichi 8? That final stage they had that one girl test it and she sucked.. then they put the 3 contestants and they destroyed it with time to spare. The obstacle is only as good as the person involved. Heh.. I keep thinking of the stickslider back in Sasuke 20 that failed everytime someone got on it and it even took out Okuyama because it kept sticking. btw I'm happy to hear Yuuji flat out said no. I'm surprised they let Ryo run it but it's not surprising he failed it. Shock factor alone a lot of people just simply were not ready to pass the UCH this time around.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jul 6, 2010 9:33:30 GMT -5
Moved to the 25 forum so we dont have to spoiler everything anymore...
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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2010 9:40:54 GMT -5
Tehehehehe thanks
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Post by artyfowljr on Jul 6, 2010 10:35:26 GMT -5
David, about the UCH testing story...for some reason I've always imagined things like that, but never thought they would actually happen on Sasuke. Even though people are already starting to own the UCH, I still like it because it's a more interesting challenge than previous versions of the Cliffhanger.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 6, 2010 11:34:35 GMT -5
Honestly I think the main reason people did so bad in general in 25's Stage 3 WAS the shock factor involved.. I mean not just the usual shock factor of new obstacles but that whole curtain thing They couldn't even look at it earlier in the day in down-time just to get past the mental barrier of something like that... Honestly I think that 25's Stage 3 is probably going to get it's a** kicked in 26
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Post by supersheep on Jul 6, 2010 13:29:02 GMT -5
Even tho all the testers failed it, what were they going to do? Rebuild it on the spot? Come up with a whole new plan? Dont think so.
I think they were pretty much committed to it unless it was broken even then I dont think it would have been changed. (Just ask Okuyama about things like that)
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 6, 2010 14:31:04 GMT -5
Even tho all the testers failed it, what were they going to do? Rebuild it on the spot? Come up with a whole new plan? Dont think so. I think they were pretty much committed to it unless it was broken even then I dont think it would have been changed. (Just ask Okuyama about things like that) Wouldn't it be better to ask Nagano about the Shin Cliffhanger and Gliding Ring? And there were clearly stages were they were building it as a concept (at least it looked like it.. Watch the Navi) where they could have tested if it was possible or not.. although by the time they spent all the money on all the framework and ledges alone they were probably going to go with it... But with what you said are you saying it's unlikely we're going to see the Ultimate Cliffhanger in 26? Or at least the monster version from 25 (I honestly doubt they would but they could tone it down a little.. Like start up a bit higher and make the first two ledges 1 meter instead of 2 and then it wouldn't be that unfair and we'd have a good amount of clears
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Post by supersheep on Jul 6, 2010 14:45:17 GMT -5
It'll be the same as 25, im just saying if they realized there was a problem there was nothing they could have done about it.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2010 15:01:26 GMT -5
I don't think the UCH is going to change. I'm sure they made it with the intention of no one passing it yet.. if they did.. they'd have to redo the entire course again since we might be having a champion so quickly after 24! LOL Either way.. even with the screw ups with the SCH and Grinding Ring (both with Nagano) they still do a damn good job in putting up a course that we want to watch. It's impossible for a course not to have hiccups every now and then.. after all this isn't Wipeout.. the object is not to finish the course every single time.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 6, 2010 15:11:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't expect them to "fix" the UCH either.. Hell.. If you ask me they probably fixed the Stick Slider bar and the Gliding Ring because there was just something they didn't like about Shin Sasuke (having TOO good of results or something ) and wanted to just end it.. XD Now I don't think they want anyone to make the final for a while.. Although honestly I don't see it being another 2 years... Hell.. We might see it in 26..
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 6, 2010 15:14:25 GMT -5
Even tho all the testers failed it, what were they going to do? Rebuild it on the spot? Come up with a whole new plan? Dont think so. I think they were pretty much committed to it unless it was broken even then I dont think it would have been changed. (Just ask Okuyama about things like that) Well they build these things and test them prior to Sasuke. Obviously they're not going to modif the course during the competition. Yeah I think it will be the same next time....but they'll probably sticky spray the hell out of it! (at least I hope they do)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2010 15:16:03 GMT -5
I think they should. They got too carried away with the obstacle...
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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2010 15:38:26 GMT -5
I have a feeling they will revamp the rest of the course before they even touch the UCH.. In which case it's going to be a b&tch to get to P.S. I still think it's ugly ahahahhaha
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Post by SRW on Jul 6, 2010 15:49:06 GMT -5
They won't change anything about it and nor should they - as we have seen on youtube now its perfectly doable. I think the shock factor didn't help matters in 25 for sure. I mean does anyone here think someone will pass the UCH in 26? I do I think at least 1 will for sure. Final stage - doubt it but 27 you might see that but not until a fair few contenders have got this beast down. I don't see why anyone wants it toning down or complaining of its difficulty - its called the ULTIMATE cliff hanger.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 6, 2010 16:49:53 GMT -5
as we have seen on youtube now its perfectly doable. Youtube doesn't mean anything. I could go put up thicker rails on my replica and breese thought it, post it on youtube and be like "look how awesome I am I can destroy the UCH like it's nothing!" I'm just saying don't call it beat before someone beats on at a tournament. Also about making it easier, it wouldn't be the first time. The slider jump from 22 was a b****, then they shortened the gap after Nagano failed it and made it super easy. It'll be interesting to see what happens in 26.
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Post by supersheep on Jul 6, 2010 16:55:42 GMT -5
I think wheather or not someone beats it depends more on what they do with stage 1.
There are definately people who can beat it, its just a question can they get there and how many of them.
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Post by SRW on Jul 6, 2010 16:58:56 GMT -5
as we have seen on youtube now its perfectly doable. Youtube doesn't mean anything. I could go put up thicker rails on my replica and breese thought it, post it on youtube and be like "look how awesome I am I can destroy the UCH like it's nothing!" I'm just saying don't call it beat before someone beats on at a tournament. Also about making it easier, it wouldn't be the first time. The slider jump from 22 was a b****, then they shortened the gap after Nagano failed it and made it super easy. It'll be interesting to see what happens in 26. First thing I said when I saw Fujinsasuke clear it in his video was "well done but can they do it for real when tired from the other obstacles?" I just feel though it can be done but no question its going to take something very special from someone.
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Post by supersheep on Jul 6, 2010 17:08:59 GMT -5
At the time Shinya wasn't THAT great at the UCH, if you watch his latest video you can see how much he's improved since 25.
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Post by yamfriend on Jul 6, 2010 20:28:21 GMT -5
First thing I said when I saw Fujinsasuke clear it in his video was "well done but can they do it for real when tired from the other obstacles?" I just feel though it can be done but no question its going to take something very special from someone. This makes me think that almost all of the veteran competitors will never get past the UCH ever unless they really step up their training into high-gear, and even then it's a stretch. Here's what I honestly think about every notable person's chances on the UCH (or at least those who have a chance at getting there): All-Stars: First off, there are only 3 All-Stars who will probably ever even have a chance at getting there anymore IMO (Nagano, Takeda, and Yamamoto; the other 3 have a very low chance at even getting past Stage 1 anymore if you ask me, but I digress... ), and considering how both Takeda and Yamamoto have had trouble with Cliff Hanger v3 in the past, they don't stand much of a chance at all with 2 drops instead of 1 like v3 had (though I'd be surprised if either of them even got far into it). Nagano has the best chance of all of the All-Stars to get past the UCH, but even him doing so is gonna be tough with his recent Stage 1 troubles (don't get me wrong though, Nagano can usually go pretty far if he passes Stage 1; it's just that more Stage 1 clears for him=better chance of at least reaching the UCH, especially considering how the UCH and the rest of the course could be conquered within a few tournaments for all we know) and also tough due to his window of opportunity gradually closing more and more as each competition passes (he probably still has a good chance for at least a few more tournaments, but it's only going to become tougher for him as he gets older and the course will almost certainly become more difficult). Kenji Takahashi: After seeing him struggle on it so much in 25, he's gonna really have to do a lot more training for this if he wants a chance at beating it. Besides, he's had trouble in the past with the Cliff Hanger as well (v2 in 7, v3 in 16, and SCH 18), and the 2 times he did pass some version of it (SCH in 23 and 24) he didn't use the "jump technique" that he'd need to use on the final few ledges of the UCH. Yoshiyuki Okuyama: He could barely hang on to for more than a few seconds in 25, and although he has potential, I believe that he's getting too old like many of the other people that I've mentioned (though especially Okuyama since he's about 40 now). New Stars: Yuuji is almost certain to beat for obvious reasons (same with the rest of the UNCLI members for that matter, though especially Ryo and Keita since they've proved how freakishly good they are on Youtube ). Kanno might fail it the first time around (seemed to have some minor struggles with the SCH in 22 and 23 if you ask me), but he'll probably do decent on it in this attempt and beat it on his second try. Koji was just rushing it in 25, and keeping in mind that he was pretty close to reaching the third ledge and appeared to have a good amount of steam left, I'd expect him to have a good chance on it in future tournaments if he gets that far again. Tajima looked very good on the SCH in 24 and would probably have about as good of a chance as Koji, and possibly even slightly better IMO. Finally, although Jun is yet to reach Stage 3, he'll probably struggle just getting to the UCH (as seen in 25 especially, he needs to work on his upper body some more and/or significantly improve his stamina if having any chance at all on it). Li En Zhi: Pretty much the same exact reason as Koji since they pretty much failed at the exact same point in 25, though he may have a slight advantage due to more experience, not to mention that his rock climbing could benefit him with being able to reach up to the third ledge more easily than most other people could. Americans: Levi and Brian will probably struggle with it (or at least on their first try) because they do better with freerunning/parkour stuff (i.e. what they need to pass Stage 1) rather than upper body strength (I know that they're both pretty strong when it comes to their upper body, but they don't have as much experience with this kind of stuff as the other competitors on Sasuke do). Same thing goes with most other freerunners and stuntpeople that have gotten on through ANW, though they'll generally have even less of a chance since most of them have never really trained on this kind of stuff whatsoever. At least Levi has a replica of the SCH that he can sort of use as practice, and could use David's UCH if he can. Speaking of David, him and a lot of the other people on here who are old enough to enter ANW2 do a lot of practicing on UCH replicas or ones very similar to the real thing, which would be more beneficial when it comes to beating it as compared to most of the freerunners. As for all other Americans, it all depends on the individual (trust me, I'm not gonna go over every single Sasuke-potential American because I've already typed way too much and just finish this post ). Other: Shinya might beat it if he gets there after all of the practice we've seen him do on his. I am concerned though that he might not have enough time before 26 to get it nailed down enough that he'll be able to defeat the UCH even after the previous obstacles on Stage 3 (though he'll have to get past the Dome Steps to at least get this far first ). Other than that, I can't think of anyone else who poses a threat at beating the UCH, or at least anyone who could get that far in competition. Of course, keep in mind that when considering the cold weather that occurred during Sasuke 25, I may have underestimated a few people since I'm sure everyone here would do better against the UCH on a normal day rather than a freezing day. So some of them could do better than I think because of this, though for all I know others could do worse than I think for all I know. We'll just have to wait and see for sure... BTW, this is gotta be one of the longest posts that I've ever made on here.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 6, 2010 21:17:58 GMT -5
You mentioned the chances of Sato Jun and Kishimoto Shinya.. If he does pass stage 2 finally I don't think Sato Jun has that good of a chance of making it TOO the UCH honestly.. He struggles on the Salmon Ladder and was out of energy by the time he made it to the Unstable Bridge..
As for Kishimoto Shinya... He needs ALOT of work to make it there.. You guys do realize he failed the Dome Steps in 25 right?
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