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Post by vokloko on Jun 18, 2010 7:23:22 GMT -5
I like the one used from 5-8. Don't know why, but I do.
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 18, 2010 8:21:00 GMT -5
Version 3 (i.e. the one from 9 to 17) was my favorite, because it was a good challenge that at least 1 person beat in every tournament but at the same time not too many did so even after it was there for a while (unlike the Shin-Cliff Hanger, which was unbeatable for its first 3 tournaments but was then beaten by all but 1 person who tried it in its last 2 tournaments; meanwhile, the 9-17 version was failed by at least 1 person in most of its 9 tournaments). Also, considering that it was the longest-lasting and probably the most iconic version of the Cliff Hanger so far, that might also have something to do with my opinion... ;D
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Post by artyfowljr on Jun 18, 2010 8:30:26 GMT -5
Even though I agree with yamfriend about v.3 being the most iconic, I prefer the *newest* one. Just kickass.
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Post by Zorn on Jun 18, 2010 10:46:25 GMT -5
The current version, although I did like version 4 because of the huge gap between the 2nd and 3rd ledges but now with the addition of more ledges as well as the gap with the last 3 ledges (especially that second to last one, how are they supposed to grab on to that?) I think this one takes the cake.
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Post by Badalight on Jun 18, 2010 14:46:10 GMT -5
The current version, although I did like version 4 because of the huge gap between the 2nd and 3rd ledges but now with the addition of more ledges as well as the gap with the last 3 ledges (especially that second to last one, how are they supposed to grab on to that?) I think this one takes the cake. I guess you havn't seen the videos of UNCL pwning it constantly Also, this thread isn't asking your opinion of which is the hardest... because that's obvious. It's asking your favorite, or which you think has the best design. I'd say easily the 9-17 version. It was hard without being too tough. It made for a balance third stage. The current 3rd stage is cool and all, but really it's easy obstacles, insanely hard obstacle, more easy obstacles. It has no balance. back in the 9-17 era, there were no "hard" obstacle and there were no "easy obstacles. They were all around the same difficulty level and the stage was really balance. So for that reason the Cliff-hanger was a perfect fit, unlike the current rendition. And although I do love the UCH, it's like they just threw a bunch of ledges in random places with no real thought process. Harder =/= better
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Post by supersheep on Jun 18, 2010 17:02:50 GMT -5
I agree with Bada, 9-17 was the best design and make for the most balanced stage.
As i've said before, If i made a 500ft cliffhanger at a 45 degree upward angle that would be a totally impossable, but that woudln't make it the coolest and best obstacle ever, that would be totally stupid. As Bada states: Harder =/= Better
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Post by quasikoz on Jun 18, 2010 17:57:33 GMT -5
I like Bada's argument about how the cliffhanger from 9-17 made for a more balanced 3rd stage, but I'm a big fan of the current cliffhanger for it's difficulty and the arm/finger strength needed to pass it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2010 18:05:58 GMT -5
Shin-Cliff Hanger
It was so exciting seeing them jump from the 2nd to 3rd ledge.
I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted for it...
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Post by arsenette on Jun 18, 2010 18:53:20 GMT -5
Shin-Cliff Hanger It was so exciting seeing them jump from the 2nd to 3rd ledge. I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted for it... Just voted for it. Personally I think the UCH is farking ugly to stare at It was meant for shock and awe and nothing else.. IMO. Shin-Cliff was meant as a real challenge given how the others really weren't (though they were hard for their time). Shin-Cliff gave way to everyone training that specific technique and it continues to the UCH now so for what it's worth.. Shin-Cliff paved a way to real change on that obstacle. Thus it's my favorite
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 18, 2010 19:03:32 GMT -5
Make that 3 for the Shin Cliffhanger.
Sure it may have been easy and only took out people in 7 out of 23 attempts but it was the most interesting to watch..
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Post by supersheep on Jun 18, 2010 19:53:50 GMT -5
SCH was the most fun to watch, 9-17 was the best obstacle.
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Post by chackpop on Jun 18, 2010 21:42:51 GMT -5
The newest Cliff Hanger has had two pretty amazing wipeouts. You know the two...
I like the challenge of the huge gap between ledge two and three. It shows human potential.
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jun 18, 2010 21:43:21 GMT -5
A song for JPJuice, arsenette and Rider: You are not alone I will be with you Because we are the same We voted for the SCH
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Post by davidcampbell on Jun 28, 2010 19:03:47 GMT -5
I guess you havn't seen the videos of UNCL pwning it constantly I'd just like to point out that just because someone is able to build a replica that looks similar and beat it, doesn't mean they can do the real thing. A tiny difference in the thickness of the rail, or width of the gaps, as well as how grippy or slick the rails are makes a HUGE HUGE difference! Just because you see many people owning replicas like they're nothing doesn't mean they'll even reach the 3rd ledge. So don't call the UCH beaten before it's actually beaten on the show is all I'm sayin'. Based on how quickly people fly up the rails in the traning vids and how slow and painful the ascent looked in Sasuke 25 I'm guessing that they are not completely accurate.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jun 28, 2010 19:09:27 GMT -5
Oh and my fav is the 4th version (18-24) because it requires a certain amount of strength and a technique. It's quite hard, but with dedication almosy anyone can get it.....eventually. The new version is really just a stage in itself, it's soo long. And it's so hard that not many people will ever be able to clear it, no matter how much they train. (short of dedicating their lives to rock climbing and dieting to get super light)
Also ver.4 is just fun to do!
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Post by davidcampbell on Jun 28, 2010 19:14:09 GMT -5
And although I do love the UCH, it's like they just threw a bunch of ledges in random places with no real thought process. Harder =/= better Yeah this is kinda how I feel too. The UCH is less eligant than the Shin Cliff.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 28, 2010 19:25:52 GMT -5
David, We have an edit button so please don't post 3 times in a row.
But as for the UCH it pretty much is the stage, look at how easy everything else besides it is (Granted I would say the obstacle right before it is the hardest obstacle they've ever put in Sasuke..) it seems like everything else was an after-thought...
Also BTW because people are getting up the first two ledges easily doesn't mean they made it easier.. Consider how often they get to practice on them. And also the announcer DID give measurements during a run so the ledges should be the right length
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Post by davidcampbell on Jun 28, 2010 19:52:13 GMT -5
Who cares if I use the edit button, or just post again, seriously? About the replicas, I wasn't talking about the length of the ledges, I was talking about the thickness. A 1mm difference makes a HUGE difference. Or how much the edge is or isn't beveled also makes a HUGE difference. It's kida hard to fully understand if you haven't been training for it. For example Brian K.'s UCH replica is a 3cm ledge angles at 24 deg and 12 deg, but it's pretty easy to go up to the top, I got it first try. However the replica we built at the course, while we went with a 3cm ledge, the angle of the backboard is such that it crowds out your finger and the heavy edge beveling leaves almost no area for your finger tips to rest on. I was able to get up it, but it was a struggle fighting to keep my fingers from slipping off. Most people couldn't even hold on for a 1/2 second. But they're both technically 3cm 6 foot ledges @ 24 deg angle. Also the last 2 gaps, they're able to just reach across like it's nothing which 5'2" people just can't do if the gap was to scale. I'm not saying they can't do the real thing...it's a good idea to start out easy and work your way up to it. I'm just saying that we'll see what happens at Sasuke 26. I'm sure if they do clear it, they'lll move a lot slower (unless the producers of the show actually make it easier heh) But I could be wrong, maybe the UCH @ Sasuke isn't as hard as I'm thinking it is and the reason they all went slow and fell was because they were tired and never tried it. But then again, even Lee Yen Chi barely got up and then fell,and he's a professional climber.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 28, 2010 20:00:16 GMT -5
Mods...
Well consider these are people who have been trying years to get on Sasuke and always train for it and do as much research on stuff as much as we do... As for the difference between Brian's and Your's I would have to see pics (because I can't go to California) before commenting on that.
I think the reason they struggled was because they weren't expecting anything like that.. Practice for the SCH and the UCH will be a total "HOLY $#!+" when you get there... Also you might want to use spoiler tags.. this isn't the 25 forum..
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Post by SRW on Jun 28, 2010 20:05:53 GMT -5
Rider I would not call the final st 3 obstacle or the one after the UCH easy and I think certain others will be tweaked in 26.
Back on topic SCH is my favorite one to watch its as someone already said really elegent and fun to watch.,..... However people had got it down by Sasuke 23/24 big time and so it needed a major upgrade and I think it got a perfect upgrade.
So to watch - SCH but for challenge and drama - UCH.
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