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Post by Badalight on Apr 19, 2010 19:48:33 GMT -5
I say it's going to be eather Spider Climb + multiple ropes, or Spider Climb + Ladder + rope. Sorry arty... but that wouldn't work at all. I mean... technically it COULD but it'd be a little... dumb. The tower is the same height as before. Unless it's off by like 1 meter or something, but if there is a difference it's hardly anything, maybe an extra second of climbing. That would mean the spider climb and rope climb would have to be half sized, and it'd just be silly and the only hard part would be the transitions. The final stage would become less about all out strength to the top of the tower, and more about how fast can you make a transition. Want an example of this? In Konuichi 8 Rie Komiya beat the final stage with about 2 seconds left... she had a HORRIBLE transition from 1 Rock wall to the next. The other girl climbed at the same pace as Rie, but her transition was much better, and she won with 27 seconds left. That is why adding unnecessary transitions is a bad idea for the final stage and takes away from it's true meaning. Now a rope-rope transition is different, considering you're still hanging and there strength aspect is still there. Plus it can be done relatively quickly so results wouldn't be so horribly lop-sided.
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Post by TCM on Apr 19, 2010 23:34:34 GMT -5
Well if transitions were so silly and pointless, why did Kunoichi 5 have its final stage being what it was? It worked for what it was, it retired Rie and Miyake had less time than when she won the first time. Also, it was the same height as when their tower debuted for Kunoichi 3. Transitions for Sasuke's final is possible, even with 23M apparently (granted I did say before that they would have to increase but M9 has more experience with this sort of thing than me so they obviously know what they are doing).
Then again I have an issue with people liking to imply a word to describe a Sasuke final stage as easy, so I'll just stay shut.
P.S. the girl you're thinking of is Satomi Kadoi and she finished with 21.4 seconds, not 27, could've checked Sasukepedia for that.
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Post by HarlequinKnight on Apr 20, 2010 4:02:46 GMT -5
I would hope that there would be a spider climb in there somewhere, otherwise we'd have the first course in history that was no spider climb/walk at all. And that doesn't sit well with me. There'd also have to be a rope, cause that just is the final stage in a nutshell.
So I'd be hoping for Spider climb + two ropes. That could be done, and sure the ropes would be shorter, but it'd be just as hard, cause the transition means that you're holding yourself up by your arms only for a period, and the length of the two ropes added together would be the same as the one from 5-17, if not longer. 35-40 seconds and you have a hell of a good final.
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Post by jfeathe on Apr 20, 2010 10:22:09 GMT -5
Well if transitions were so silly and pointless, why did Kunoichi 5 have its final stage being what it was? It worked for what it was, it retired Rie and Miyake had less time than when she won the first time. Also, it was the same height as when their tower debuted for Kunoichi 3. Transitions for Sasuke's final is possible, even with 23M apparently (granted I did say before that they would have to increase but M9 has more experience with this sort of thing than me so they obviously know what they are doing). Then again I have an issue with people liking to imply a word to describe a Sasuke final stage as easy, so I'll just stay shut. P.S. the girl you're thinking of is Satomi Kadoi and she finished with 21.4 seconds, not 27, could've checked Sasukepedia for that. Miyake finished with 7.7 seconds in Kunoichi 5. I think you're think of 6 when she had 0.66 seconds left. I'd be fine if they retire the rope. Like I posted above, a bungee net would be much tougher.
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Post by FAMAS on Apr 20, 2010 10:28:12 GMT -5
I think the fact there was no form of spider walking in any of the three stages....disturbing.
So I reckon there will be some spider walking involved in the final.
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Post by theannoyingninja on Apr 20, 2010 14:17:15 GMT -5
How about a vertical metal pole with small spherical notches every half meter to place your feet on for the first 13 meters. To visualize, think about a metal skewer with peas skewered through it. And then a 10 meter net climb with the first half of the net a rope net, and then the second half a bungee net. That's what I thought it was going to be. Except the last part would still be a rope climb.
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Post by Gavo on Apr 20, 2010 14:24:11 GMT -5
I'm 95% sure that there is not a spider climb. Even before the 2nd final stage was revealed, you could clearly see the spider climb, look at the tower in 25, nothing.
As for what I think it is, I think its a 23 meter rope climb in 45 seconds.
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Post by YoDaUO on Apr 20, 2010 15:44:47 GMT -5
45 seconds would be a bit too much for that. Akiyama did 15 meters in 24 sec. That means if he kept that pace for 8 more meters he would finish in 36.8 seconds. Ok, +1 second from exhaustion. That still means he will have over 7 seconds left. If its rope climb it should be like 35 seconds. 40 max.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 20, 2010 19:03:05 GMT -5
Well if transitions were so silly and pointless, why did Kunoichi 5 have its final stage being what it was? It worked for what it was, it retired Rie and Miyake had less time than when she won the first time. Also, it was the same height as when their tower debuted for Kunoichi 3. Transitions for Sasuke's final is possible, even with 23M apparently (granted I did say before that they would have to increase but M9 has more experience with this sort of thing than me so they obviously know what they are doing). Then again I have an issue with people liking to imply a word to describe a Sasuke final stage as easy, so I'll just stay shut. P.S. the girl you're thinking of is Satomi Kadoi and she finished with 21.4 seconds, not 27, could've checked Sasukepedia for that. My point is... look at the lop sided times. 2 seconds, and 21 seconds. That's what transitions do. They take technique as opposed to strength or speed. Personally I like a final stage where it's just an all-out short burst of energy to reach the top. Having to stop and untangle yourself or switch to a different obstacle just because is incredibly stupid. With the Sasuke 1-4 final stage, no transition. Just a smooth rope climb to the top. 5-17 was good too, it was a spider walk, and the transition to the rope was hardly a time waster, and it was quick and easy. 18-24 (Though not counting the "metal" ladder since we never saw it) worked okay aswell, but the transition was the worst so far. I just hate them. They don't take any strength, it just wastes time. The final should be based on your strength, not if you can go from a ladder to a rope fast enough. With Konuichi, the transition produced lop sided results. Rie and the other girl climbed at very similair speeds, it's just the other girl was able to transfer from 1 wall to the other faster. Yet they probably exerted the same amount of energy and tried equally as hard, yet look at the difference in times. If that happend on Sasuke, it'd be like this. Nagano gets to the final stage, he sucks on the transition and barely missed the button by 1 second. So they increase the time limit or fail to lower it for whatever reason. Now here comes Yuuji, he deos the transition way better than Nagano, but climbs at exactly the same speed, and finishes with 5 seconds left. See what I mean? That's completely retarded. It needs to run smoothly. Also, the transition in 5 wasn't too bad, since it was able to be done done fast and easy, but honestly I didn't like it. It wasted very little time, though I still think it was a bit dumb. I don't really care much for Konuichi anyway. They can have transitions, but I don't want that on Sasuke And not all transitions are bad. I still like the 3 rope idea, because it's a clean transition that still uses some strength. Then again... I guess anything can work right granted M9 can set a good enough time limit, nothing too leaniant like they did with K8.
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Post by TCM on Apr 20, 2010 19:14:24 GMT -5
But the point of the final stage isn't finishing in a fast or slow time, it's about finishing period. If you have the wrong technique for something, then you end up failing it, whether it's technique for a Cliffhanger or a climb to the top. Same thing could have happened with the Spider Climb/Rope Climb combo as well, we just didn't see it. So what if Kadoi finished in 21 seconds and Rie in 2 seconds. That final in Kunoichi (uno not onu) 8 was flawed anyway -- there were supposed to be five boards which was the reason for the 60 sec limit, but something happened and they were forced to use the scaffolding for the boards (which just so happened to be climbed in a way like a ladder) as part of it. Point I'm saying is, you won't die if there are transitions, because at this point, what else can you do that won't give an advantage to a competitor should that person reach the final besides transitioning more than once. There's something off if you think the final wouldn't be good because someone couldn't transition well.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 20, 2010 19:19:21 GMT -5
because transitions = more technique. The final stage shouldn't be about technique. That's silly. That means someone can simply practice the transfer and do better than most people.
The final stage works better when it's all about the strength. The transition has been fine so far because it wasn't very hard. In 4-17 you got to the top of the spider climb, and grabbed the rope.
Konuichi 8 had major flaws in the transitions. THAT'S what I don't want. Something like they've been doing is fine, but I don't want it to be over-kill like 5 transitions.
Just like Shin-Sasuke 3rd stage. More technique oriented. That's why I and many others didn't like it.
I'm saying that if someone passes, it shouldn't be with 20 seconds left... period. Transitions are what lop sides those numbers. A transition could be the difference in someone not passing, and someone passing with 20 seconds left, that's why they're dumb.
Now if it were say just a rope climb, its pure strength. No technical mishaps to get in the way of that, it's all strength. They can set a time limit better without transitions. It's just cleaner without them.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 20, 2010 19:23:28 GMT -5
I agree with Bada here, the simpler the better in the final stage. It's not about who can do the coolest tricks on the tower, it should be about who can do the task the best and the fastest without interruption.
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Post by TCM on Apr 20, 2010 19:34:31 GMT -5
Now if it were say just a rope climb, its pure strength. No technical mishaps to get in the way of that, it's all strength. Then explain Kongu's mishap in 24. That proved ANYTHING will happen due to technical error, he was arguably on pace with Yuuji. I swear, technique and transitions are like the scarlet letters on here. It's like you want nothing new if it doesn't suit what your used to.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 20, 2010 20:24:55 GMT -5
Read sheep's post, he put it into much better words than me and it only took 1 sentence.
No, you still don't understand what I mean. If Yuuji and Nagano go at the same pace, and work just as hard as one another, they should fail at the same place right? No... because Yuuji had a better transistion, so he actually ended up getting kanzenseiha with 15 seconds left, even though him and Nagano went at the same speed.
That's what I don't want to happen.
Simplicity is key for the final stage. It should be about speed and strength, not dumb technicalities.
The less variables to consider the better. That's how I believe the final stage should be. It's my own opinion so don't dog on me for it, and obviously as seen by Sheep it's shared by other people, so don't single me out.
I'd much rather have something like a single 22m rope climb than a 5 meter spider walk, then a 5 meter ladder, then a 5 meter rope climb, then a 5 meter salmon ladder, then a 2 meter sprint up some stairs to the finish. That's silly.
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Post by davidcampbell on Apr 21, 2010 0:58:23 GMT -5
Anyone can be in shape, that's not what Sasuke's about. Being fast and efficiant and not getting flusterd and making mistakes while transitioning requires skill. Rope climbing, spider climbing, rope ladder climbing all require technique strength, endurance and skill, as does doing all these things while being concious of where the safety line is.
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Post by supersheep on Apr 21, 2010 1:09:05 GMT -5
I think what Bada is trying to say is that there should be as little a randomness factor as possible. There shouldn't be clear times between 3 and 20, that means there is an error some where.
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Post by mrryanmac on Apr 21, 2010 8:48:47 GMT -5
How about a 23 metre high salmon ladder? But seriously, an extended salmon ladder then a rope climb? This is what I think it is. ;D
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Post by SRW on Apr 21, 2010 9:40:08 GMT -5
How about a 23 metre high salmon ladder? But seriously, an extended salmon ladder then a rope climb? This is what I think it is. ;D The satan in me wants to see this but the reality tells me it won't be as the final stage is more about a final sprint to the top vs the clock the sprint would kinda be lost ragging a bar up rungs lol.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 21, 2010 11:11:51 GMT -5
OK.. if it was a salmon ladder up to the top we would have already seen parts of it.. Even the 5-17 Spider Climb was pretty damn visible in the day (even making them put the 100 competitors shots everywhere to standing in front of the second stage or waiting until night to standing at the tower). But look.. If there was a Salmon Ladder final we'd see it here because that'd take all day to set up day of..
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Apr 21, 2010 15:13:03 GMT -5
Honestly with the "classic" theme thats been set for this era I wouldn't be suprise for them to bring the "classic" final stage back, one long rope. Just this time around the rope being alot longer. I would not be suprised at all to see a 23m rope climb with a 35-40 second time limit. 45 seconds would be roughly equivalent to the old time limit if you take time devided by distance, so it will not be that much time or it will be as beatable as it used to be.
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