2D2Will
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Post by 2D2Will on Oct 15, 2008 20:41:31 GMT -5
For those who are old enough, did you know there's an election coming soon? I'm currently watching the third (and final) debate and they're actually accomplishing something... about themselves.
Anyway, who are you leaning towards as Nov 4th draws near?
I just noticed, Obama is wearing a red tie and McCain is wearing a blue tie. Anybody noticing the irony in this?
Oh, and if you're not registered to vote, you're welcome to add your two cents. And only two cents.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 15, 2008 22:19:22 GMT -5
Why is that Ironic?
I thought Democrat was red, so it'd make sense for him to wear a red tie.
Now, the otoher debate it was the oposite, Mcain was wearing a red tie, THAT was wierd.
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2D2Will
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Post by 2D2Will on Oct 15, 2008 22:48:47 GMT -5
Democrats= blue Republicans= red
That's why it's ironic.
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Post by Badalight on Oct 16, 2008 6:30:32 GMT -5
NO, I think it's the other way around mate, I've always thought it was republicans blue, and democrats red.
All gisn, posters, adds, everything I've ever seen have it that way.
Democrats are always in red letters, red posters, all that. Republican has always been blue.
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Post by madmanike on Oct 16, 2008 6:51:28 GMT -5
I vote Rayne for Jesus! www.licd.com/As far as those other two posers, who cares. They'll say what they need to do to get into office, then do what they want once there.
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Post by talledega7 on Oct 16, 2008 8:26:11 GMT -5
Vote for Nader. Independents are always the cooler guys to vote for and they aren't as heavily trained to say nothing unless its in political doublespeak.
And Bada, why do you think Republicans always have strong power bases in RED states (see Texas) if they don't use red as a color?
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2D2Will
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Post by 2D2Will on Oct 16, 2008 8:27:58 GMT -5
NO, I think it's the other way around mate, I've always thought it was republicans blue, and democrats red. All gisn, posters, adds, everything I've ever seen have it that way. Democrats are always in red letters, red posters, all that. Republican has always been blue. Go to 3:05 www.youtube.com/user/travisandjonathanThen there's that show.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Oct 16, 2008 9:36:45 GMT -5
I'm excited for the election, as it is the first one I can vote in.
As far as who I'm voting for, well...I'd say Obama because I share a similar opinion to him on a lot more issues than I do for McCain. Frankly, I think he'll be a better President if elected.
There's my $0.02.
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Post by lostinube on Oct 16, 2008 9:59:23 GMT -5
NO, I think it's the other way around mate, I've always thought it was republicans blue, and democrats red. All gisn, posters, adds, everything I've ever seen have it that way. Democrats are always in red letters, red posters, all that. Republican has always been blue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
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Post by Badalight on Oct 16, 2008 9:59:47 GMT -5
Lol well look at that >_> I SWEAR I thought it was the other way around...? Uh... But for real... just ont he cover of a magazine today I saw Mcain was on the blue half, and obama was on the red half. I saw posters and Mcain was Republican was written in blue with an elephant, and democrat was written in red with a donkey. I saw a map of the USA stating which states were republican and which were democrats, and the republican states were colored blue, and the democratic ones were colored red. I'm not saying your wrong, but if you're right I'm going to cry... lol T_T I havn't heard much from either of them, Obama seems like the more reasonable choice though, his ideas are better planned, and he doesn't spend his time attacking Mcain like Mcain does to Obama, at least he TRIES talking about the issues. His vice president looks like an ace though. Mcains vice, Palin, doesn't have enough experience and in all her interviews she sounds incredibly stupid, ionno... I'm not old enough to vote anyway.
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Post by lostinube on Oct 16, 2008 10:22:36 GMT -5
The Red State/Blue State thing has been media shorthand for Republican/Democrat States since 2000 as the wiki article states. But the article also states that previous to 2000, the colors were reversed. If you were looking at a voting map prior to 2000, it's possible that the colors were as you said. And of course politicians of both stripes are going to use red and blue, mainly because of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_flag
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Post by Badalight on Oct 16, 2008 13:45:06 GMT -5
Nah, the map was from a few weeks ago, and it seems liek thats how the colors are every year in the magazines I pick up. I guess it doesn't matter, maybe you're right, but I'll always think of it as democratic - red, and republican - blue, that's how I always thought it was, and now it's wierd to see it as anything different... I've been living a lie! I think there's a chance of both presidents dying in office. Mcain because he's old, and Obama becaus ehe's african (I'm not racist, I'm just sayin some people are...) It's cool though, no matter how we vote it breaks a new record. If Obama wins. 1. First black-man president If Mcain wins 1. Oldest president and... 2. First Woman Vice President
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Post by Jhonsun on Oct 16, 2008 13:54:19 GMT -5
I am about to write possibly the most boring post I've ever written here. Spare yourselves if you aren't at all interested in politics
One of the things I appreciate about this group is that it's all about Sasuke but it's hard to avoid talking about a presidential election - especially right now. I'll have to tread lightly here.
There are no good (viable) choices in my opinion, just between bad or worse. Neither of the candidates have addressed the real problems or solutions in this country but, for what it's worth, one of them is a better speaker.
McCain has much more in common with Obama than he does with his party (not that his party is anything to write home about anymore either). Don't let the pro-life and anti-tax stances fool you. During a presidential campaign, both campaigns always try to convince people that they are stark opposites of one another whether they are or not. McCain can spend money and expand government with the best of them. I'm not voting for him.
It's just that Obama (especially with a Democratic-controlled Congress) can spend more and bring more traditional American freedoms under the control of the government (in the name of health care, welfare, the poor, etc.). Obama, McCain, and Bush all have this in common. When Obama and others say that they will be the solution to government spending, it's just a shell-game (Republicans aren't much better either). Other times, he and Biden outright say that they will raise taxes to support their increased spending plans (McCain wants to increase spending too).
Obama is more presidential-looking, a better speaker, a more "likable" personality, etc., etc. That won't matter to me much when he's enacting the same sorts of socialist policies that took away freedoms and economically killed the Soviet Union and other Eastern European countries under their control. Even China has had to accept the fact that they need to ease up on the Communism a bit in order to have an economy that supports a billion people. Look at places like Venezuela, Cuba, or North Korea though. That is socialism/communism realized. I don't want our country to go through that. I'm not voting for him either.
As you can tell, I'm not thrilled with Democatics or Republicans. I don't think either party has served us very well. I'm not inclined to vote for either candidate, but I will still be voting on Nov. 4th. I will probably write in a candidate that believes in liberty, freedom, and a Constitutional form of government and then continue to vote on everything else on my ballot.
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Post by SuperTiger on Oct 16, 2008 15:01:32 GMT -5
Well, honestly I don'tlike either choices in the election, and we are having a mock election at school, and I know ppl will say I'm a bad american, but I won't vote, I don't like either of them... McCain is old and will bring more Bush years and personally with Obama, I think he is a terrorist, I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but I believe that Obama would be a serious downfall, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.. NOTE: I was saying this "terrorist" thing long before Palin said it. Also I agree with Bada when he said they both have a good chance of dying in office.
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Post by talledega7 on Oct 16, 2008 15:07:07 GMT -5
If Jhonsun is able to post a "boring" piece, then I will add my own "boring" piece as an alternative to my already made statement.
To begin, I will say this right out of the gate: I will not be voting this November 4th.
To put it simply, I lack the necessary faith in the American Democratic system to vote. It is no longer about leading the country, making improvements, creating a better life for all those who live here. It is now just a power and money grab.
For anyone who has read 1984 by George Orwell, what O'Brien said is true: no longer do politicians become leaders in order to lead better than the other guy. It is now just a matter of power. They want it, others have it, and they will sling whatever mud they have to in order to take it. Do they deserve it? Doesn't matter. They want it and they want it now.
In all honesty, I think if McCain were to become elected, you can kiss America good bye. But I just don't have faith in what Obama is saying. He has wonderful ideas, but unless he gets the corporations behind him, none of those wonderful ideas would ever be implemented. And you know what? Those corporations would never allow those wonderful ideas to even be suggested, let alone enacted. Notice the cycle?
When November 5th dawns on America, we will know who is in charge for the next 4 years. I will say it now before anyone flips out. If Obama wins and executes any of those ideas of his, I will gladly cast my vote for him in 2012. But if McCain wins or if Obama fails in his "Goals," you can count me out for the next 50 years.
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Post by 2D2Will on Oct 16, 2008 17:20:00 GMT -5
This is just to lighten the mood in this particular topic. I would totally vote for this guy, if he was running.
In all seriousness, I think my father has said it the best. "I'm not voting for who I think will be a good president. I'm voting for who who can do better than the other." In other words, both candidates stink.
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Post by lostinube on Oct 16, 2008 17:42:56 GMT -5
Obama, I think he is a terrorist, I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but I believe that Obama would be a serious downfall, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.. NOTE: I was saying this "terrorist" thing long before Palin said it. Also I agree with Bada when he said they both have a good chance of dying in office. Why do you think he's a terrorist?
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Post by SuperTiger on Oct 16, 2008 18:32:02 GMT -5
TO make a long story short.. 1. Lied about religion 2. Preacher said he hated America 3. Has muslim ties and could easily plan a "bombing" 4. Skirts around issues and says time for a change, I don't see that slogan as positive. 5.At least to me, something feels "off" about him, I just don't trust him. 6. "Seems like he's just perfect by the way he acts", yeah the people that told me this r wrong, he seems perfect, but he's not.(Note: not being racist, but the people that told me this were black) 7. We don't know as much about him as we do McCain, something is definately fishy about that.(Don't say that it's b/c he is old) Yeah that's all I can really think of, thats why I think he is a terrorist.
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Post by lostinube on Oct 16, 2008 18:41:57 GMT -5
OK, that's why you think he's a terrorist. That's not proof he's a terrorist. In fact, other than points 2 and 3, most of your points are about why you don't think he'd make a good president. Points 4,5 and 7 could also be attributed to Sarah Palin.
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Post by hellosushi on Oct 16, 2008 19:48:08 GMT -5
To be blatantly honest, I have to agree with what some of you guys said. I'm not totally sure I believe in either candidate.
BUT, however, I feel more strongly towards and about Obama. I'm am so anti-McCain it's not even funny (I think most of what he says is a bunch of lies.....but then again, that could be the case for Obama too, I suppose.....). And don't even get me started on Palin.
If I could, I would vote for Obama, mostly because if McCain and Palin get in there, I agree with what lfrt and talledega7 said, having them in office is just going to be them doing more of what Bush is doing now (does that make sense? 'Cause I'm not sure I used the best word choice there....). And I don't think that's a good thing. I'm still too young to vote though (my 18th birthday isn't for another 4 months.....) so I'm going to be sitting this one out.
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