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Post by SRW on Nov 6, 2021 9:09:06 GMT -5
Could just be a bunch of different cliffhangers with breaks. This is an idea that for me could be either the absolute worst or absolute best thing I've ever seen. Its so lazy let's be honest!
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Post by penguincatfish on Nov 6, 2021 10:05:22 GMT -5
Banzuke had a Spider Walk course. Maybe an entire cliffhanger course could be interesting to see. It's not like it has to be made of the same basic ledges or entirely static holds or have zero breaks. ANW has so many obstacles that could fit like Window Hang, Ferris Wheel, Leaps of Faith, the recent Falling Shelves, etc. But building any of that would require a budget from TBS.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Nov 6, 2021 10:35:34 GMT -5
Could just be a bunch of different cliffhangers with breaks. This is an idea that for me could be either the absolute worst or absolute best thing I've ever seen. Its so lazy let's be honest! Kinda, but it's so ridiculous it just might work. Remember the first time the UCH was revealed in 25's trailer? It looked like a total monster at the time. If the stage is cool looking and innovative I'd be fine with it. If it's just impossible like the UCCH + VL was then yeah, it's gonna be lame. And yeah, that Spider Walk stage was great. But it may not even be true.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Nov 6, 2021 10:40:40 GMT -5
Said the first obstacles of stage one were Quad Step, Rolling hill, "swing slider" (which I assume they mean silk slider, but who knows) then fishbone kai Imagine an actual Swing Slider where you sit on a swing and have to pump it while you slide down to get enough momentum to reach the platform at the end.
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 6, 2021 12:18:34 GMT -5
Assuming Stage 3 is a Cliffhanger only stage (which I don’t think it will be because Inui probs doesn’t have the budget to revamp an entire stage with a bunch of, lets be honest, mostly motorised ledges), it really depends on how the obstacles have been designed.
If 90% of it is just a bunch of 180 transitions then it’ll suck absolute a**, but there is the potential to get creative with it. Like imagine a Rumbling Dice or Propeller Bar like obstacle but just made out of Cliffhanger ledges; it COULD work, as long as there’s a sufficient number of break zones and it’s not a Sasuke 33 scenario where basically everything gets impossibly joined together.
Either way, I very much doubt this’ll be the case as again budget is the major limiting factor. As well as the Vertical Limit most likely coming back as that’s another obstacle Inui has an affinity for (and unlike all the others I actually don’t mind this one).
The only remaining elephant in the room at this point is Stage 2, but we all know how it’ll be. The entire back half of the course is going to stay, as will most likely the first half except for (at least so I hope) potentially the Salmon Ladder. Seriously if they keep the Nobori/Kudari version again it’ll be a travesty, it’s the easiest iteration of an obstacle conceived 15 years ago now.
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Post by komasixx on Nov 6, 2021 15:28:45 GMT -5
We are all ignoring the possibility of a rock wall in the final stage lol
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 6, 2021 17:36:11 GMT -5
I’m ignoring it because there’s not much to say.
It’s a bit too safe of a move imo, in the same way that the Heavenly Ladder was in Shin-Sasuke. A Lumberjack Climb or a Spider Flip ascent would’ve been much cooler and probably easier to implement.
And again it just exacerbates the already huge bias towards rock climbers on the show. It basically means that if you’re not a rock climber you’re going to fail no matter what due to the specific techniques required for speed climbing.
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Post by yamfriend on Nov 6, 2021 22:03:54 GMT -5
Imagine if Stage 3 was a "Legacy Cliffhanger"-themed stage; that is, every version of the Cliffhanger was used, in order:
1.) Cliffhanger (Sasuke 4) 2.) Cliffhanger Drop-Out Section (Sasuke 5-8) 3.) Cliffhanger Kai (Sasuke 9-17) 4.) Shin-Cliffhanger (Sasuke 18-24) 5.) Ultimate Cliffhanger (Sasuke 25-27; uses "higher third ledge" version, like in Sasuke 25) 6.) Crazy Cliffhanger (Sasuke 28-31) 7.) Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger (Sasuke 32-36) 8.) Cliffhanger Dimension (Sasuke 37-38; uses "moving ledges" version, like in Sasuke 38)
Time limit: none (obviously)
Breaks: 5 minutes cumulative (i.e. there's a countdown clock which records how much time you have remaining to use to rest between each obstacle, which begins with 5 minutes and results in a DQ if you run out of time before the end of the stage)
Most competitors would probably fail a little more than halfway through (especially those who haven't cleared the more recent 28-present Cliffhangers yet, i.e. Hioki, Sato, etc.), but the concept would definitely be different. Obviously, none of what I said is based upon any factual evidence, and speculative in nature only.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Nov 6, 2021 22:20:43 GMT -5
We are all ignoring the possibility of a rock wall in the final stage lol I think it's not even a possibility at this point, but 100% there. You can see it if you search the twitter profile mentioned in this thread. Looks like a speed climbing wall with a bit of an inversion/tilt against you as you go up, then SL + Rope. Meh, at least they changed it instead of just cutting the time. Agreed with tns that a series of ascending Spider Flips would be awesome.
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 7, 2021 6:44:47 GMT -5
Not gonna lie that legacy themed Cliffhanger stage actually sounds pretty dope. It would be a nice shake up from what I was worried it would be which was almost exclusively 180 transitions, which would be awful if that was the first obstacle as most runs would be over before they even started.
Unlike the current Stage 3 it also adds an element of ambiguity as to where and under what pretence competitors will fail, rather than it just always being the 180 transition. Like rookies might fail one of the sideways jumps on the Shin or Ultimate Cliffhanger. Others may just run out of steam on the Ultimate due to its length. Others may get through the Crazy and Ultra Crazy but fail the last transition of the Dimension. It would be much more exciting.
The only issue I have is that there’s a bit too much repetition with the last three obstacles. The Crazy transition is identical to that of the Ultra Crazy’s first, and the same with the Ultra Crazy’s second transition and the Dimension’s first. But hey, if it’s a legend themed course then I guess you gotta go all out.
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Post by zoran on Nov 7, 2021 7:41:30 GMT -5
Not gonna lie that legacy themed Cliffhanger stage actually sounds pretty dope. It would be a nice shake up from what I was worried it would be which was almost exclusively 180 transitions, which would be awful if that was the first obstacle as most runs would be over before they even started. Unlike the current Stage 3 it also adds an element of ambiguity as to where and under what pretence competitors will fail, rather than it just always being the 180 transition. Like rookies might fail one of the sideways jumps on the Shin or Ultimate Cliffhanger. Others may just run out of steam on the Ultimate due to its length. Others may get through the Crazy and Ultra Crazy but fail the last transition of the Dimension. It would be much more exciting. The only issue I have is that there’s a bit too much repetition with the last three obstacles. The Crazy transition is identical to that of the Ultra Crazy’s first, and the same with the Ultra Crazy’s second transition and the Dimension’s first. But hey, if it’s a legend themed course then I guess you gotta go all out. I think if they are doing that, they should out of fairness slightly thicken the ledges on the transition cliffhangers, maybe half an inch or a fifth.
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 9, 2021 7:47:24 GMT -5
Nah I’d say if you’re going to make a Cliffhanger legend theme you have to go all out and replicate the obstacles exactly as they are otherwise it sort of defeats the point.
Another thing I would’ve liked to see in the Final Stage would’ve been to convert the Jugo Dan into a Double or even Triple Salmon Ladder variant. Or even better have a Swap Salmon Ladder except not have the motorised rungs or the DQ rule.
The time limit would have to be extended significantly though maybe to 60 seconds, especially with the rock climbing wall being a lot slower to traverse than the Spider Climb.
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Post by Mk20SSR on Nov 10, 2021 0:12:40 GMT -5
Imagine if Stage 3 was a "Legacy Cliffhanger"-themed stage; that is, every version of the Cliffhanger was used, in order: 1.) Cliffhanger (Sasuke 4) 2.) Cliffhanger Drop-Out Section (Sasuke 5-8) 3.) Cliffhanger Kai (Sasuke 9-17) 4.) Shin-Cliffhanger (Sasuke 18-24) 5.) Ultimate Cliffhanger (Sasuke 25-27; uses "higher third ledge" version, like in Sasuke 25) 6.) Crazy Cliffhanger (Sasuke 28-31) 7.) Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger (Sasuke 32-36) 8.) Cliffhanger Dimension (Sasuke 37-38; uses "moving ledges" version, like in Sasuke 38) Time limit: none (obviously) Breaks: 5 minutes cumulative (i.e. there's a countdown clock which records how much time you have remaining to use to rest between each obstacle, which begins with 5 minutes and results in a DQ if you run out of time before the end of the stage) Most competitors would probably fail a little more than halfway through (especially those who haven't cleared the more recent 28-present Cliffhangers yet, i.e. Hioki, Sato, etc.), but the concept would definitely be different. Obviously, none of what I said is based upon any factual evidence, and speculative in nature only. Not gonna lie but I actually have the exact idea for the Third Stage if possible. I would absolutely want the OG version of the Ultimate Cliffhanger to make a comeback since nobody beaten it. Given with the pool of competitors nowadays, its more likely to beat it. For a five minutes cumulative break, they got to go fast on the first four because those are the easiest to get through.
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Post by Sasuke Mania on Nov 10, 2021 16:13:15 GMT -5
Damn, I’m going to reserve judgment until the obstacles are officially announced but if the above is true then this is a lot worse than even a pessimist such as myself thought ..... I hope the person I saw on Twitter is wrong. Its @716kjf Also maybe I am misreading translations. I don't want this to somehow look like it's my fault if this ends up being proved wrong in the future lol You can also search SASUKE 収録 I can say none of my sources have posted anything related to that and this was my first time hearing of it, plus said source doesn't seem to have that claim. Unless I see actual pictures I'm assuming this is fake. That said, if it seems too good (or too insane) to be true, it likely is
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Nov 10, 2021 16:36:34 GMT -5
The source did say exactly that on Twitter. I read it for myself. He just didn't have any pictures of it
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Post by komasixx on Nov 11, 2021 1:59:24 GMT -5
And now has seemed to delete everything off their Twitter
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 11, 2021 12:56:33 GMT -5
Probably wasn’t allowed given how hush everyone’s been about the tournament thus far.
We probably weren’t even meant to know that the tournament had taped already (theres nothing to suggest that the tournament had taped besides the merchandise) and there’s an obvious reason behind there clearly being an embargo on posting anything related specifically to the tournament whatsoever. I think once the competitor list and numbers are released then we’ll see more photos of the tournament before it airs likely in late December again.
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Post by CustomGaming57 on Nov 12, 2021 6:36:43 GMT -5
Not only won’t I be excited for this year’s tournament, but the Takeda story is the most heart-wrenching for me and made me want to cry when he said he retired permanently. He didn’t even announce his official retirement in competition like Nagano in 32 and if he did it online instead, that makes it even more heartbreaking. Especially because he had the greatest chance of All-Stars to clear Stage 1 and also break the fricking age record, unlike Shingo who hasn’t cleared in seven years. That man should’ve been given a pass last time and get awarded for his athleticism, especially because he didn’t do anything dangerous and that he cleared with a lenient time, but alas his chances are now dead. Even if he failed the Rolling Log, I would’ve loved to see him back in the 2nd Stage.
R/e celebrities, it will be annoying if Inui doesn’t make the 1st Stage harder and let loads of joke challengers get far again, let alone make room for them in terms of screen time so he can digest more notable non-celebs who either haven’t been doing well or don’t have exciting personalities like Tada that I got mostly furious with for not getting entirely shown last year. And if KAREN competes again which is likely, I’ll be pissed off because all she does is just f**k up the Rolling Hill every time (save for 36). I will also confess that I dislike probably the most annoying celebrities such as ABC-Z, Darvish and Snow Man preferably because I’ve never seen them supporting Nagano on the sidelines, as he is the GOAT of the show (behind Morimoto).
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Nov 12, 2021 9:50:23 GMT -5
We're still waiting for an official announcement from Takeda. It really is a shame. I think in 38 he looked physically and athletically the best he has since very early last decade. That said injuries are injuries. I'm guessing he reinjured it again early this year and was told around the time of his recent surgery to cool it.
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Post by subtleagent on Nov 12, 2021 12:53:48 GMT -5
Remember when Ryouma Kato broke the NDA in SASUKE 23? He got slammed for it and forced to take down his blog (I'm amazed they even let him compete in 27 and 30). Most don't wanna end up like him.
IDK for sure, but it looks like Takeda will be retiring. I kind of figured his shoulder would be a problem even if I was a little off in thinking 36 would be his last tournament.
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