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Post by RiderLeangle on May 2, 2009 21:01:10 GMT -5
They made the 22 bar lighter than the 21 bar, it's the same kind as the Slider Jump has.
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Post by obakemono on May 2, 2009 21:01:39 GMT -5
If the course had been left the way it was after 19, I doubt it would have been much different. There were a bunch of people who could have cleared easily in 19 but made bad mistakes. Same as with 20.
I think they changed it because they couldn't afford another result like 19. That said, the Flying Chute in 19 was IMO unfairly difficult.
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Post by Ninja Chris on May 2, 2009 21:48:19 GMT -5
That said, the Flying Chute in 19 was IMO unfairly difficult. I disagree. I just don't think enough time had passed for people to figure out a way to beat it properly. Only 1 person had tried the obstacle originally made. Remember the Devils Swing? Remember any obstacle easily defeated once people figured out a way to beat it? This one was the same... just didn't have a proper chance for people to know how to beat it. I still believe that there was an easy way to beat it: By swinging from it. The downward momentum forward would have allowed more forward progression than backward, so there would have been less strain than how Nagano attempted it.
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Post by obakemono on May 2, 2009 21:49:49 GMT -5
The whiplash was ridiculous though. I don't disagree that lots of people would have passed it, but it looked downright dangerous.
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Post by Oti on May 2, 2009 21:56:00 GMT -5
Yeah, it wasn't the safest thing. About the Devil's Swing - I wish it were still there. I'd love to see someone turn around on it and do it backwards. That way they could probably reach the Pipe Slider's bar more easily. ...I guess the Pipe Slider would have to still be there too.
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Post by supernovamaniac on May 2, 2009 22:00:37 GMT -5
Actually, I was thinking about this today for some random reason after seeing those height restrictions for parking lots (lmao)
I think having Devil's Swing + Gliding Ring isn't a bad of a idea. I mean, come on. Yuuji kick'd off the resting bar to have a huge momentum to glide down the ring. If Devil's Swing is in place before Gliding Ring, not only it makes the competitors to have only one shot at the thing before they screw up the ring, but it makes it slight harder to glide down the ring. (But it won't be like Nagano situation... heh)
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Post by supersheep on May 2, 2009 23:08:18 GMT -5
If we're going to bring back old obstacles, do what I did for my simulator, throw the gliding ring in the garbage and bring back the pipe slider. Pipe Slider is a classic and it was so weird seeing anything but that at the end of stage 3. It just seems like it fits so much better,
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Post by supernovamaniac on May 2, 2009 23:16:14 GMT -5
But with all those obstacles before the ending of Stage 3, I don't think a person would have enough strength to clear the stage. Even with the strength though, they would perform poorly in the final stage, which won't be good for SASUKE's ratings. For example, take Gliding Ring in SASUKE 21 for example. It was very similar to the pipe slider since you had to slide it down. Yet, you didn't have to use a lot of force that you used in pipe slider because it was still on a incline. However, the competitor (one of the strongest) still failed before reaching the end of the obstacle, proving it brutal. I don't think pipe slider would be good for final obstacle for stage 3 now due to those reasons. Give them a break. They are humans too
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Post by Ninja Chris on May 3, 2009 0:46:08 GMT -5
I agree, they are in-fact humans, but if they're meant a break, then just let them pass the third stage. An obstacle needs to be there, and making it easy is a waste. It needs SOME muscle to it, or it doesn't belong in the third stage.
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Post by Oti on May 3, 2009 1:17:05 GMT -5
Honestly, watching strong competitors get far but still go down on brutal obstacles will probably result in better ratings than people doing well on the Final Stage.
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Post by SRW on May 3, 2009 6:28:05 GMT -5
I disagree. It was hard, yeah, but I think it should have stayed the same. I believe in Sasuke 20, people would have prepared harder and everything MAY have been fine. I'm just saying - we have no idea. We can't assume 20 would have been as bad as 19 if they hadn't made it easier. We just don't know. 20 would have been as bad as 19 had levi not been there in a strange way. The SL bar in 22 is same weight as 21 apparently just white stoppers I think.
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Post by SRW on May 3, 2009 6:41:15 GMT -5
I don't think that people just want to see people succeed. I, personally, like the dark atmosphere where 95 people have failed so far and we're down to our last hopes. In sasuke 22 in the first stage 95 fell so you got what you wanted and the last hopes did well.
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Post by SRW on May 3, 2009 6:44:16 GMT -5
The gliding ring is fine however if you want to spice it up a bit have no rest after the spider flip jump and then have to go straight onto it and make the finish jump a smidge further. The gliding ring is nothing to do with the pipe slider and was never intended to be like it 21 was a mistake based on a mis calculation of design.
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Post by SuperTiger on May 3, 2009 11:30:00 GMT -5
I believe they should just put notches in the Gliding Ring so u cant easily glid down the track, you'll have to use some force
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Post by Oti on May 3, 2009 11:59:35 GMT -5
We don't know that. Maybe if he hadn't been there, Mark would have gotten to go and Mark would have cleared the third stage. We don't know.
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Post by obakemono on May 3, 2009 12:07:37 GMT -5
Well if you take Levi or any Americans out of the equation, the results of 20 are the same as 19. 2 pass the first stage, both fail early in the second stage. Obviously it's not as simple as that, but it's interesting.
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Post by BLM on May 8, 2009 20:40:49 GMT -5
Why do they always make the hardest obstacles easy like the jumping spider in 20 is way easier than the one in 19 and the flying chute in 20 is nothing compared to the one in 19 and they even made the salmon ladder and cliff-hanger easier . The new salmon ladder has a thin bar and is easy to beat now, come on even Sato beat it.The cliff-hanger has even been made easier the second ledge isn't as steep as it used to be. ill address these... Jumping spider- cuz 42 people failed it and only 2 people cleared sasuke 19. so they needed to make it easier. More clears= More Ratings= longer TV run. Flying chute. Onyly 3 people passed it. same deal as J-Spider Salmon Ladder: Maybe Sato is actully... good? hard to believe right? The thinner bar i think might make it a lil harder to control. But its still heavier than sasuke 18-20 and it the same weight as 21 Shin Cliffhanger- refer to Scnoi's post 4 passed the Flying Chute beacuse Takuya Kawahara made it to the rope ladder
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on May 9, 2009 16:36:13 GMT -5
Sasuke 19 was a mistake. the competitors weren't ready for that level of difficulty. Only 15 or something people got past the 4th obstacle. If the difficulty had stayed the same, Sasuke 20 could have seen all 100 fail. the 4th obstacle swallowed 42, that's a lot but more than 15 got past it. Minus 15 = 43 competitors not getting to the jumping spider? Hard to believe. Then again 15 landing that huge jump isn't a bad guess at all. If the difficulty had stayed the same, Levi could have beat 19 and we might have had a 99 fail in 20. But Nagano only failed because he didn't jump soon enough to grab the rope, he could have done 20 if it wasn't easier.
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Post by joemello on May 11, 2009 0:45:31 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned that harder obstacles look easier because of a) experience and b) editing? While the Warped Wall certainly looked like a shadow of its former self, I have a hard time believing that only 2 timed out there and only 1 person not making it on the first try.
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Post by supersheep on May 11, 2009 2:06:20 GMT -5
They only show warped wall timeouts if its an allstar a celeb or someone unlikely that got there
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