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Post by TCM on Jul 17, 2017 15:19:57 GMT -5
You can see the tunnel after the Backstream to imply the Reverse Conveyor.
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Post by Philip on Jul 17, 2017 15:50:01 GMT -5
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Music Box is the only new/different obstacle.
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Post by TCM on Jul 17, 2017 18:01:59 GMT -5
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Music Box is the only new/different obstacle. There's no incentive currently to change it up. Stage 1 gets a decent amount of clears and Stage 2 decimated last year. That and budget.
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Post by Messup434 on Jul 17, 2017 18:52:08 GMT -5
The incentive in my opinion is to make people want to watch. I'm not sure I will wake up early to watch the same obstacles as before
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Post by TCM on Jul 17, 2017 20:54:38 GMT -5
The incentive in my opinion is to make people want to watch. I'm not sure I will wake up early to watch the same obstacles as before Unless you live in Japan, and judging by the mention of needing to awaken early, you don't, your view literally does not matter to the rating of the show. I'd bet money that while the show needs (domestic) viewers now more than ever, course diversity isn't pushing the needle one way or another to any significant level.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 17, 2017 21:26:01 GMT -5
The incentive in my opinion is to make people want to watch. I'm not sure I will wake up early to watch the same obstacles as before Unless you live in Japan, and judging by the mention of needing to awaken early, you don't, your view literally does not matter to the rating of the show. Really I don't feel enough people on SMF realize this, we all watch on streams... Whether we watch or not, all we are on 1 view, 1 view they would have gotten regardless from someone choosing to stream... like sure Inui appreciates fans overseas care for his work, but we do absolutely nothing to help their bottom line.
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Post by Messup434 on Jul 17, 2017 21:44:39 GMT -5
Unless you live in Japan, and judging by the mention of needing to awaken early, you don't, your view literally does not matter to the rating of the show. Really I don't feel enough people on SMF realize this, we all watch on streams... Whether we watch or not, all we are on 1 view, 1 view they would have gotten regardless from someone choosing to stream... like sure Inui appreciates fans overseas care for his work, but we do absolutely nothing to help their bottom line. I'm not saying my watching it will help at all, but I'm sure other people agree with the view I have on obstacle variety, who will affect ratings so that's my point.
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Post by Eclipse on Jul 17, 2017 21:49:08 GMT -5
The incentive in my opinion is to make people want to watch. I'm not sure I will wake up early to watch the same obstacles as before Okay so, in my educated opinion, I think changing a large portion of obstacles right now is a BAD idea, and I'll explain why with some psychology. So if we take a step back from the superfans here, there are two general viewer groups that make up Sasuke's audience: Group 1 is comprised of people who are generally interested in sports and athletics, and they are watching this as a sporting event. These people are watching the show to see Stage clears, athletic ability, and consistent performance. Let's call this group "Sports People" Group 2 is people who watching for the excitement, and who view this as a game show. These people don't *really* care that much about the results, but what gets them going is unpredictable/change between seasons. A big drop or rise in perfomance to make each season stand out. They enjoy seeing shock failures. These people did not like Sasuke 33 as it reminded them too much of Sasuke 32. Let's call them the "Gameshow People". Both groups enjoy recurring athletes as it brings familiarity. So when we look at the intersection of groups: Performance Drop: Gameshow People Potentially Happy Consistent Performance: Sports People Happy Performance Spike: Both Groups Happy The one exception to this is renewals, as the Sports people will become excited to see the new challenges. So where are we now with Sasuke 34? Sasuke 32&33 actually established this in a very tough spot, because there are a small number of people doing consistently well. Any new obstacles will lower the competitor pool, but there are so few clears that this will affect Sports Group's desire to see clears, but because so few people clear, new obstacles will actually lead to relatively small change and therefore it will not thrill Gameshow people that much. Obviously they can't just drop the difficulty or that will undermine the whole spirit of the show. Where there is a glimmer of hope is competitors: There is a general trend that longtime competitors *should* improve on some level, given the same obstacles. As well, both groups enjoy seeing recurring faces. In that sense, the best course of action TBS can take is to leave the course very similar, and over time the competition should become more acquainted. TBS' goal right now is likely getting those first Stage 4 attempts, but not a victory first time, as they will excite both Sports Group and Gameshow Group and this will maximize potential viewership. The superfan in me loves new obstacles, but right now it just doesn't make sense to change them up, as it would negatively affect both fan groups. What this really comes down to, is TBS screwed up the difficulty of 32, leaving almost no room for exciting advancement. Hopefully this explanation made some sense.
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Post by Steven π on Jul 18, 2017 0:50:55 GMT -5
New obstacles means more difficult and more money. After the bankruptcy in 2011, TBS still having problem with making the show. That’s why we are using the same obstacle from 28-33 without a lot of changing (if you motice then “new” obstacles in recent seasons are used back from old obstacles: DBL Pendulum, Lumberjack Climb, Tackle, Spider Drop) So let’s wait until both cases get better, more budget and better competitors, maybe Inui will add our obstacle in xD (MAYBE, if they really want to get ideas from us, but it’s like a small sand in the desert)
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Post by Philip on Jul 18, 2017 9:25:17 GMT -5
Alert: rant
I think the reason why I think Stage 1 & 2 are a joke now are because of ANW. If Sasuke didn't have only 20 or so people in a given tournament that had a chance in hell at beating the 1st Stage, and instead had 100 like ANW Vegas, the course would look like a joke. If ANW8's Vegas lineup took on 33's Stage 1, we would see at least 70 clears, and at least 40 in the 2nd. I know it's TV and all, but the lack of strong competitors in Sasuke is starting to piss me off. Ratings suck now anyways, why not take a chance and rebrand Sasuke as a full on sports thing and actually have more than 20 credible domestic and foreign competitors for once. The fact that ANW's "Midoriyama" lineups are made up of more elite competitors than THE ORIGINAL SHOW make the whole f***ing format look bad. Sasuke should lead by example. ANW's caught them.
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Post by Role Playing Garchomp on Jul 18, 2017 14:06:20 GMT -5
Backstream, Straight Sidewinder, UCCH/VLK, and Pipe slider confirmed (although those were a given) Drum Hopper is still there if you look closely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:17:44 GMT -5
Backstream, Straight Sidewinder, UCCH/VLK, and Pipe slider confirmed (although those were a given) I think the Ring Slider is back too
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Post by Messup434 on Jul 18, 2017 15:31:32 GMT -5
The incentive in my opinion is to make people want to watch. I'm not sure I will wake up early to watch the same obstacles as before Okay so, in my educated opinion, I think changing a large portion of obstacles right now is a BAD idea, and I'll explain why with some psychology. So if we take a step back from the superfans here, there are two general viewer groups that make up Sasuke's audience: Group 1 is comprised of people who are generally interested in sports and athletics, and they are watching this as a sporting event. These people are watching the show to see Stage clears, athletic ability, and consistent performance. Let's call this group "Sports People" Group 2 is people who watching for the excitement, and who view this as a game show. These people don't *really* care that much about the results, but what gets them going is unpredictable/change between seasons. A big drop or rise in perfomance to make each season stand out. They enjoy seeing shock failures. These people did not like Sasuke 33 as it reminded them too much of Sasuke 32. Let's call them the "Gameshow People". Both groups enjoy recurring athletes as it brings familiarity. So when we look at the intersection of groups: Performance Drop: Gameshow People Potentially Happy Consistent Performance: Sports People Happy Performance Spike: Both Groups Happy The one exception to this is renewals, as the Sports people will become excited to see the new challenges. So where are we now with Sasuke 34? Sasuke 32&33 actually established this in a very tough spot, because there are a small number of people doing consistently well. Any new obstacles will lower the competitor pool, but there are so few clears that this will affect Sports Group's desire to see clears, but because so few people clear, new obstacles will actually lead to relatively small change and therefore it will not thrill Gameshow people that much. Obviously they can't just drop the difficulty or that will undermine the whole spirit of the show. Where there is a glimmer of hope is competitors: There is a general trend that longtime competitors *should* improve on some level, given the same obstacles. As well, both groups enjoy seeing recurring faces. In that sense, the best course of action TBS can take is to leave the course very similar, and over time the competition should become more acquainted. TBS' goal right now is likely getting those first Stage 4 attempts, but not a victory first time, as they will excite both Sports Group and Gameshow Group and this will maximize potential viewership. The superfan in me loves new obstacles, but right now it just doesn't make sense to change them up, as it would negatively affect both fan groups. What this really comes down to, is TBS screwed up the difficulty of 32, leaving almost no room for exciting advancement. Hopefully this explanation made some sense. Yes, that makes perfect sense!! Do you have a job in TV rating analysis or something? I hate to admit it, but I guess it would be pointless for them to create new obstacles at the moment. Althooooough, they could still change just the first obstacle of each stage without making either side too mad I think
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Post by Role Playing Garchomp on Jul 18, 2017 15:38:33 GMT -5
Backstream, Straight Sidewinder, UCCH/VLK, and Pipe slider confirmed (although those were a given) And is it just me that I see the original Vertical Limit from 28 - 30?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 15:41:27 GMT -5
Backstream, Straight Sidewinder, UCCH/VLK, and Pipe slider confirmed (although those were a given) And is it just me that I see the original Vertical Limit from 28 - 30? Nope I can only see one Vertical Limit
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Post by Klorel439 on Jul 18, 2017 15:46:31 GMT -5
Backstream, Straight Sidewinder, UCCH/VLK, and Pipe slider confirmed (although those were a given) And is it just me that I see the original Vertical Limit from 28 - 30? The course isn't finished yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 17:55:06 GMT -5
This is what I think the course is
First Stage
1. Quad Steps 2. Rolling Hill 3. TIE Fighter 4. Fish Bone 5. Double Pendulum 6. Tackle 7. Warped Wall 8. Music Box 9. Lumberjack Climb
Second Stage
1. Ring Slider 2. Salmon Ladder Up 3. Salmon Ladder Down 4. Spider Walk/Spider Drop 5. Backstream 6. Conveyor Belt 7. Wall Lift
Third Stage
1. Drum Hopper Kai 2. Flying Bar 3. Sidewinder Kai 4. Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger 5. Vertical Limit Kai 6. Pipe Slider
Final Stage
1. Spider Climb 2. Salmon Ladder 3. Rope Climb
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jul 18, 2017 18:06:47 GMT -5
This is what I think the course is First Stage 1. Quad Steps 2. Rolling Hill 3. TIE Fighter 4. Fish Bone 5. Double Pendulum 6. Tackle 7. Warped Wall 8. Music Box 9. Lumberjack Climb Second Stage 1. Ring Slider 2. Salmon Ladder Up 3. Salmon Ladder Down 4. Spider Walk/Spider Drop 5. Backstream 6. Conveyor Belt 7. Wall Lift Third Stage 1. Drum Hopper Kai 2. Flying Bar 3. Sidewinder Kai 4. Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger 5. Vertical Limit Kai 6. Pipe Slider Final Stage 1. Spider Climb 2. Salmon Ladder 3. Rope Climb So basically the same except the Music Box replacing the Tarzan Rope. This is my guess as well even though I still don't see it happening. Are they gonna crank that thing to top speed and make the jump to the platform really far?
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Post by yamfriend on Jul 18, 2017 23:52:10 GMT -5
So basically the same except the Music Box replacing the Tarzan Rope. This is my guess as well even though I still don't see it happening. Are they gonna crank that thing to top speed and make the jump to the platform really far? As long as that amusing lullaby that plays when somebody's attempting it returns as well, I'm fine with whatever they do with the Music Box.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 18, 2017 23:54:21 GMT -5
So basically the same except the Music Box replacing the Tarzan Rope. This is my guess as well even though I still don't see it happening. Are they gonna crank that thing to top speed and make the jump to the platform really far? As long as that amusing lullaby that plays when somebody's attempting it returns as well, I'm fine with whatever they do with the Music Box. I always just called it the Ice Cream Truck music
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