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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Apr 13, 2009 21:44:52 GMT -5
I am reminded that each time competitors (the all stars in particular) get to come back for another chance they will be 6 months older than they were last tourny. For people like Yamada and partially for all the other all stars, I think about if age will catch up to them.
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Post by talledega7 on Apr 13, 2009 21:47:46 GMT -5
Yamada's age is definitely catching up to him in the Stamina department, and Bunpei's body is starting to crap out on him.
As for the rest, I think they can still do it. Takeda and Nagano are still good, and if Shingo can fix the brain flubs, he could do well.
Akiyama's a wild card. He's still physically capable, but he's never been the most consistent performer and the inconsistent appearances may work against him.
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Post by obakemono on Apr 13, 2009 21:50:46 GMT -5
As an entity, the All Stars are past their prime. They will never retrieve the prestige they once had. However, most of them still have many good years left in them, but in the cases of Yamada and Shiratori, it's already a big problem.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Apr 13, 2009 21:53:34 GMT -5
Shingo still seems like he has a lot of speed and stamina, watching him in 21 and 22 still makes me think he has what it takes, but yes he has brain flubs.
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Post by SuperTiger on Apr 13, 2009 21:53:49 GMT -5
Yamada, Shiratori, and Akiyama(b/c of the eye condition)-Yes they are past Nagano could eventually get there i mean the dude is 37, and Takeda and Shingo are fine but Shingo's gotta fix his problems otherwise he's gonna crap out as well. It's just time for some new people, and as we saw in 22, thats already happening
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Post by Badalight on Apr 13, 2009 21:54:14 GMT -5
Ones who are past their limit
1. Yamada 2. Bunpei 3. Akiyama 4. Nagano
I say Nagano because I think his best is behind him. He seems to be making silly mistakes lately, which has never happend before, and with his new wife I feel he'll have less time to train. So I think he's past his prime, even thoguh he's still doing incredibly well, he'll just have a much slower downfall than the others and stay consistant for awhile.
Takeda is just now reaching his prime.
As for Shingo it's a toss up... I want to say if he beats stage 1 he'll do good... but I'm not sure how well he'd do on the new stage 3... he always seemed to be the weakest of the all-stars and really when is the last time that he passed the cliffhanger?
Even when he still made it to stage 3 he'd lose on the body prop.
So I think his best is behind him, but he still has potential, he just needs to get his act together.
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Post by bigblind168 on Apr 13, 2009 22:02:35 GMT -5
Akiyama- he's still good, has some left in him, but the damn halfpipe attack. but with some serious training, hes @ stage 2, so, no he can still do this
Shiritori- NO!... well if his back gets back. He flew by sasuke 21, so i think he still has it, but only maybe for a few more (like 2 or 3)
Takeda- this dude is in the middle of his prime, now is his time
Yamada- kinda... i mean the dude just cant get by the jumping spider, however, if hes quick enough and can get by the spider jump, he can go 2 stage 2.
Nagano- NO!!!!!!!!! the dude will go to final stage next time, garenteed. he made a stupid mistake, and he wont make it again.
PathFail- The dude needs a new brain, like nojoke. He's Pathfail for a reason. He always cruises until he gets to the place where he fails, hes fast, quick, strong, and knows wtf hes doing.
So to answer is, some are (yamada) but most arent
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Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 13, 2009 23:42:46 GMT -5
Their aging doesn't concern me too much, its more that they don't seem as prepared for the course as they used to be, and because of that aren't as reliable. Nagano still has it, although he will probably be more preoccupied with his family and work to train like he used to. Takeda has a great chance to go far every time as long as he can beat the First Stage (which is no easy task). Bunpei still can do it, but injuries (not so much age) are getting in the way and I have a feeling that he might just retire. Akiyama hasn't shown too much in his two appearances. Yamada has been very bad and his age really is catching up with him.
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Post by Homeslice on Apr 13, 2009 23:44:36 GMT -5
For Nagano and Takeda (and possibly Shiratori and maybe Akiyama), I say there's still something left in the tank there. But for Yamada, he's really starting to lose it, though I think it's more mental. Same with Shingo, though I'm really thinking he's lost the most of all the All-Stars (yes, even more than Yamada). He is my favorite, but I just don't see him exorcising his mental demons anytime soon, and so I think Shingo's starting to run out of gas. Him and Yamada (and Shiratori if he's not healthy).
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 13, 2009 23:47:03 GMT -5
Yamada STARTING to lose it? He hasn't passed the first stage since Sasuke 12..
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Post by Badalight on Apr 14, 2009 1:43:47 GMT -5
Same with Shingo, though I'm really thinking he's lost the most of all the All-Stars (yes, even more than Yamada). He is my favorite, but I just don't see him exorcising his mental demons anytime soon, and so I think Shingo's starting to run out of gas I laughed for 5 minutes.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 14, 2009 7:35:10 GMT -5
I'm about to anger a few people, so I'll carefully tag this opinion.
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Shin-Sasuke. Shin-Cliff-Hanger. Shin-All-Stars.
After Levi and Yuuji (Sasuke Jesus and New Hero), I think it's time to give the Unlimited Cliffers numbers 81, 82, 83, 84, 99 and find "New All-Stars" for the audience to love.
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Post by katyoun on Apr 14, 2009 7:59:40 GMT -5
hmm... i don't think takeda has past his prime. Nor is shingo and nagano, i think they still have some fire left. but yamada i think yes. bunpei i think it's a combination of his age and his back. akiyama i think is more his eyesight that is holding him back.
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Post by Homeslice on Apr 14, 2009 8:01:31 GMT -5
But Akiyama still has the stuff to get past Stage 1 in my book. He just has to compete in daylight and then figure out the Halfpipe Attack.
Rider, ok, so Yamada lost it a while back, but I just felt like he'd still have a chance down the road. Sheesh.
And bada, I wasn't even THINKING of Shingo's occupation when I said he was running out of gas.
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Post by jfeathe on Apr 14, 2009 9:22:01 GMT -5
Nagano- No, he'll do well next tme.... hope
Takeda- Although he's been inconsistent in Shin-Sasuke, he can do well
Shiratori- He's done consistently well overall and after 2 attempts at the new first stage he cleared it. He's practiced the Salmon Ladder and he's historically done well at the third stage, so I believe he still has some time.
Yamada- Yes, his best days are behind him, but he still is able to pass the first stage. If he can just pass the Jumping Spider, only time can stop him.
Yamamoto- I've always thougt Yamamoto the worst of the All-Stars. Although he's still young(er), I can't see him going far past stage 1.
Akiyama- I can't tell at all, but he probably won't get another Total Victory
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Post by SRW on Apr 14, 2009 11:34:37 GMT -5
Nagano - no chance, hes going to the final stage in 23 - he never fails a obstacle twice!
Takeda is in his prime at the moment so hes ok
Yamada is the most passed it
Shingo is more mental mistakes than physical ones he doesn't THINK as of late
Bunpei im not totally sure on
Akiyama is still really strong but with the eye condition and stuff its become really difficult for him.
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Post by Badalight on Apr 14, 2009 13:03:09 GMT -5
Nagano - no chance, hes going to the final stage in 23 - he never fails a obstacle twice! Yet he falied the warped wall twice. And the final stage rope climb thrice.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 14, 2009 14:27:44 GMT -5
Nagano - no chance, hes going to the final stage in 23 - he never fails a obstacle twice! Yet he falied the warped wall twice. And the final stage rope climb thrice. Also, to add on to that, he's never failed this often in the First Stage since he first made it to the Second Stage. He, and everyone else for that matter, are not as consistent as they used to be.
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Post by quasikoz on Apr 14, 2009 14:40:20 GMT -5
Nagano still has the best shot to go the distance among the rest of the All-Stars. Though I don't know if Takeda is catching up to Nagano or if Nagano is just slowly declining to Takeda's capabilities.
But it's over for Yamamoto (dude can't walk up a ramp, for jesus' sake), Akiyama (bless his heart), and Yamada.
I'll always root for Bunpei.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Apr 14, 2009 19:09:56 GMT -5
Akiyama still has potential. The halfpipe attack isn't going to stay in sasuke forever. Something doesn't have to go away to be overcome.
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