'Shin'-Cliffhanger?

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Apr 13, 2009 15:08:42 GMT -5 arsenette said:

Apr 13, 2009 12:16:17 GMT -5 @jpjuice23 said:

Here's what I always thought.

I thought shin was just an adjective to explain cliff-hanger. But is that name permanent? When they have an even newer cliff-hanger, will we call that the Shin-Shin-Cliff Hanger.

I don't think you understand my reasoning, I'm getting this weird feeling you guys think I'm an a** for deleting it or something, but Shin is just an adjective, I don't think its the ACTUAL obstacle name.

K thanks.

It's the actual name good Lord. For someone to change the wiki you need proof and a link to justify the change. Just when people start inventing names because they are bored.. It gets incredibly annoying for those who maintain the wiki for the benefit of Sasuke fans to have an uniformed person with a chip on their shoulder constantly changing the name with no fact to back it up. I mean seriously. It's on the official broadcast AND it's Muscle Park obstacle in BOLD ENGLISH LETTERS. What more do you want? There are plenty of obstacles names I find redundant but it's what Monster 9 wants. End of story.

The fact this thread even exists is the proof that certain people need to take a step back and just reevaluate their fandom. Some of us have fun with it and just go with the flow. Others let it consume their life and start second guessing Higuchi-san because they somehow think they can do a better show than him.

Why are you so damn hostile?

I only edited it like twice, I mean once I realized you guys continually changed it back, I realized it wasn't worth the trouble and thats that.

I'm only arguing that just cause the name is changed, doesn't mean we should change it in the Wiki.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be too official with the show.

For example, should the Lamp Grasper be Globe grasp? We are in America, shouldn't we just call it by the G4 name since Ninja Warrior is what America watches?

My opinion is that we should be more casual with the obstacle list, and not be so official with names.

Thats my opinion, I understand, if you want "Shin-Cliffhanger" on the Wiki, fine, I just want it to be as simplistic as possible.

[arsenette]

I'm only hostile because I can't understand the sheer stupidity behind your reasoning. First and foremost the name has not changed.. ever.. I have no bloody clue what you are talking about how it "changed". The only time Cliffhanger has changed to Shin-Cliffhanger was at 18 when they changed the 2nd rail to an incline. That marked difference warranted the name since the previous incarnations. Even in the 22 broadcast they bothered showing the previous tries on the "Shin" Cliffhanger to show the difficulty ramp up to that one obstacle.

As for what G4 does. Do you realize that this show is shown in a dozen other countries? Because G4 can't get their heads out of their a**es and call things straight (unless you believe that the man that was cheering on Nagano in Sasuke 17 was his Dad because G4 said so.. and the fact that Koji Yamada is somehow Yasushi because someone didn't get the Kanji right in G4).. In fact.. because Taiwan preceeds G4 by a couple years in terms of showing Sasuke. We should call Sasuke and Ninja Warrior "Ultimate Wang" because THAT is what they call this show. That is your reasoning correct? What about in Russia.. what do they call it there? or in Norway?

See the stupidity behind it? It's a Japanese show and we call it by what Monster 9 paid someone to name it in English. The show is broadcast first on TBS in Japanese and it sets the stage for the other dozen countries to edit and translate it as they see fit. I think it's incredibly arrogant and far sighted for someone in the USA to start renaming things solely because they don't understand the logic or fail to grasp the concept that they don't own the show or it's rights. For the rest of us who work hard without being paid to supply YOU guys with timely updates on a Japanese gameshow that is not even my language it just makes my head explode at the idiocy that has emerged in the past couple months from the American fanbase. I for one am astounded and wonder why I bother doing the work I do.

[obakemono]

Difference of opinion =/= stupidity. If it were absurd, fine, but there's nothing absurd about basing an English wiki entry around the English version of a show that 95% of viewers watch exclusively.

[arsenette]

Each single obstacle has an English name that Monster 9 paid for. What more are you wanting? Seriously.

[supersheep]

I think for a Sasuke wiki it should have the Japanese name, Shin-Cliffhanger. I think for a Ninja Warrior wiki it should have the english name, Cliffhanger.

[arsenette]

Well how do you differentiate between the old Cliffhanger and the new one on this brand new Ninja Warrior wiki ya'll seem to be creating on the fly. Last time I checked none of you actually spent months creating that thing from scratch.

[obakemono]

Apr 13, 2009 16:17:40 GMT -5 arsenette said:

Each single obstacle has an English name that Monster 9 paid for. What more are you wanting? Seriously.

Paid for? :S

Some of them (soritatsu kabe) aren't English names, and some of them (Lamp Grasper) are nonsensical.

[supersheep]

There is no NW wiki... thats why it should stay Shin-Cliffhanger.

[scnoi1217]

I think for any wiki (since it is an encyclopedia of sorts), it should have the facts, whether they are "simple" or not. Calling the obstacle by the correct name is fact and even if you don't agree with it, facts are facts. And JP, your opinion on what the obstacle should be called or what should be in the wiki differs from the fact of the matter.

[arsenette]

Apr 13, 2009 16:26:40 GMT -5 obakemono said:

Apr 13, 2009 16:17:40 GMT -5 arsenette said:

Each single obstacle has an English name that Monster 9 paid for. What more are you wanting? Seriously.

Paid for? :S

Some of them (soritatsu kabe) aren't English names, and some of them (Lamp Grasper) are nonsensical.

Yes paid for. Doesn't matter if they can't pronounce it like we do. Higuchi did what he could to try to appeal to a world wide audience by getting English names.. even forcing the Japanese to say these names (some sounding really cute like Nagano trying to say Metal Spin.. I still laugh).

Anyway I'm done with the boards for a while. If the general fanbase can't get this basic concept down it's time to not get so worked up and just take a few months break. I need it after this month. See you all in a few months for 23. I'm out.

[obakemono]

My actual opinion (which I've neglected to give yet) is that it should remain as it is, with footnotes mentioning the G4 name. The G4 name should be used in the case of the actual name being in Japanese, with footnotes mentioning the Japanese name.

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Apr 13, 2009 16:10:44 GMT -5 arsenette said:

I'm only hostile because I can't understand the sheer stupidity behind your reasoning. First and foremost the name has not changed.. ever.. I have no bloody clue what you are talking about how it "changed". The only time Cliffhanger has changed to Shin-Cliffhanger was at 18 when they changed the 2nd rail to an incline. That marked difference warranted the name since the previous incarnations. Even in the 22 broadcast they bothered showing the previous tries on the "Shin" Cliffhanger to show the difficulty ramp up to that one obstacle.

Right. Its an opinion weather or not we should change the name every time an obstacle changes a bit, the English version calls it "Cliff Hanger." This is why when I say, "We should call it the Cliff Hanger", that makes it an opinion, not a fact.

I don't think theres enough changes to the Cliff Hanger to warrant a change in names.

If you honestly think I'm dumb because my opinion is different than yours, than your the one who may need to get her head checked.

As for what G4 does. Do you realize that this show is shown in a dozen other countries? Because G4 can't get their heads out of their a**es and call things straight (unless you believe that the man that was cheering on Nagano in Sasuke 17 was his Dad because G4 said so.. and the fact that Koji Yamada is somehow Yasushi because someone didn't get the Kanji right in G4).. In fact.. because Taiwan preceeds G4 by a couple years in terms of showing Sasuke. We should call Sasuke and Ninja Warrior "Ultimate Wang" because THAT is what they call this show. That is your reasoning correct? What about in Russia.. what do they call it there? or in Norway?

Yes I know. But were talking about any version that speaks English. Which isn't Russia, Taiwan etc. I can see the UK, but besides that, those are the only countries that have people that would read the Wiki.

I understand G4's broadcast sucks and makes some mistakes, but for the most part, I don't mind them. You guys are super hardcore fans, most people don't care about G4's mistakes. (edit)

See the stupidity behind it? It's a Japanese show and we call it by what Monster 9 paid someone to name it in English. The show is broadcast first on TBS in Japanese and it sets the stage for the other dozen countries to edit and translate it as they see fit. I think it's incredibly arrogant and far sighted for someone in the USA to start renaming things solely because they don't understand the logic or fail to grasp the concept that they don't own the show or it's rights. For the rest of us who work hard without being paid to supply YOU guys with timely updates on a Japanese gameshow that is not even my language it just makes my head explode at the idiocy that has emerged in the past couple months from the American fanbase. I for one am astounded and wonder why I bother doing the work I do.

Read my previous points. Its an English wiki, for English readers. I only edited it twice, I will apologize for that, I probably shouldve posted it here before hand, but I don't think I'm an idiot for putting 2 and 2 together.

[Badalight]

Apr 13, 2009 11:37:40 GMT -5 Oti said:

Honestly, I think people like calling it the Shin-Cliff Hanger because it makes them feel like they're speaking Japanese. Like when anime fan-girls keep saying, "Baka!" all the time.

Thanks for saying that, because that's how I feel everytime Rider makes a post.

But when I say shin-cliffhanger it's simply because I want peopel to know I'm refering to the new version.

[lostinube]

And in my defense, I've never watched the G4 version so I have no idea what any of the "English" obstacle names are really supposed to be. I just go with what I have. In some liveblogs I've used the English names as placeholders until I've figured out what they are in Japanese. And I need the Japanese because when I did obstacle list posts, I was not only doing it for the English speaking audience but for Japanese fans as well since there were very few Japanese SASUKE sites with obstacle photos.

I'm not the one who makes edits to the wiki obstacle list by the way.

But people are misconstruing what G4 is doing for some of the obstacles. They are not doing direct translations in some cases. They are making judgment calls as to what some obstacles should be to appeal to the English speaking audience. Anyone who watches lots of anime and J-Dramas will be familiar with the debate we're having now.

For a wiki, we should be going by the original as much as possible because we have no idea if the English changes were made by Monster 9 themselves or G4. If it's the former, it becomes "official." If it's the latter, then we shouldn't be using them in the wiki unless we're very clear on the relationship between the two (which we're not).

Whatever you call them in posts, on your own website, when you call them out in your sleep, that's your choice. But someone brought up the wiki and the idea of "official" names and as far as the wiki is concerned, whatever Monster 9 calls it is what it is.

[RiderLeangle]

Well G4 still calls it the Cliffhanger


Although they also call the Kudari Lamp Grasper the Globe Grasp (If they have to call it that, at least call it Downwards Globe Grasp or Descending Globe Grasp). This is the same people that called the Cross Bridge the Bridge of Blades, the Climbing Bars the Bridge of Destiny (and call the Monkey Bars obstacle from Kunoichi 7 Climbing Bars..).


BTW, Anyone notice what's wrong with this picture? (besides Human Wrecking Balls existing and then being put in the middle of the ANC3 block)

[SuperTiger]

Yep, another problem Ascending Climb was 19-20(the artifacts were different) For 21 it was Hang Climbing...o G4...........

[RiderLeangle]

Yeah, the Ascending Climb was the harder version. (Higher up from the Jumping Bars, Less pieces to climb, smaller pieces, and more round ones with no grip (Which were nearly non-existant on the Hang Climbing)

[Lennon]

*Just read everything on this thread* 0.0 ..... Wow... And all I wanted to know was what 'Shin' meant.. XD

[RiderLeangle]

Wow, You read 3 pages just to learn the word New in Japanese.

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Apr 13, 2009 20:21:32 GMT -5 Lennon said:

*Just read everything on this thread* 0.0 ..... Wow... And all I wanted to know was what 'Shin' meant.. XD

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