Ninja Chris
Jessie Graff
Chris Christensen
Posts: 1,037
|
Post by Ninja Chris on Apr 13, 2009 12:08:36 GMT -5
Watch the flaming... no need to get upset over a name. Let's just all agree to disagree  It doesn't matter who calls it what, we all are talking about the same thing, right? So 'Don't Worry... Be Happy' |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 12:10:24 GMT -5
The wiki says "Shin-cliffhanger," I keep removing "shin" but someone keeps putting it back on >.> .... wha??? Because you said so? Geez That's the name of the obstacle.. even in Muscle park in bold letters it's called the Shin-Cliffhanger. Get used to it. You guys are incredibly defensive over a name... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 12:16:17 GMT -5
Yes I know, thanks for the lesson. However, that graph isn't a name graph, its an obstacle graph, its constantly being over complicated with names. G4's broadcast still calls it the cliffhanger, and for people looking up Ninja Warrior, it would be easier for them if we made the graph as simplistic as possible. Its the Cliff-hanger, Shin means "new" but that means every obstacle in 18, is "shin," every obstacle in 1 is "shin." There's no reason why we need "shin" in front of it. It's the only obstacle with the word Shin officially in it, as in it's what the announcer says and it's what's in the graphic when they show it on-screen. That's why we've always gone with Shin-Cliff Hanger. I don't get your reasoning. Why would we not use the official names for the obstacle graph? We've made it abundantly clear that we're talking about the Japanese show in the wiki, not the G4 show. Here's what I always thought. I thought shin was just an adjective to explain cliff-hanger. But is that name permanent? When they have an even newer cliff-hanger, will we call that the Shin-Shin-Cliff Hanger. I don't think you understand my reasoning, I'm getting this weird feeling you guys think I'm an a** for deleting it or something, but Shin is just an adjective, I don't think its the ACTUAL obstacle name. K thanks. |
|
|
|
Post by obakemono on Apr 13, 2009 12:22:29 GMT -5
I don't think you understand my reasoning, I'm getting this weird feeling you guys think I'm an a** for deleting it or something, but Shin is just an adjective, I don't think its the ACTUAL obstacle name. But it is. |
|
|
|
Post by The Chief on Apr 13, 2009 12:26:32 GMT -5
kaibutsu Cliff-Hanger(monster cliff-hanger) is next!
怪物
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 12:44:55 GMT -5
I don't think you understand my reasoning, I'm getting this weird feeling you guys think I'm an a** for deleting it or something, but Shin is just an adjective, I don't think its the ACTUAL obstacle name. But it is. You make a hell of a point... But uh I think i'll stay with my original proposition. |
|
scnoi1217
Administrator
Retired Staff
Ummm...not sure what to say here...
Posts: 3,595
Staff Member
|
Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 13, 2009 12:48:39 GMT -5
.... wha??? Because you said so? Geez That's the name of the obstacle.. even in Muscle park in bold letters it's called the Shin-Cliffhanger. Get used to it. You guys are incredibly defensive over a name... Yes, it is just a name, a name which is the Shin-Cliffhanger in the real version of the show. That show is called Sasuke, the wikipedia page is a Sasuke page, this board is a Sasuke board. Therefore, if the producers call it the Shin-Cliffhanger (which is the official name for the obstacle, look at the characters and the translation if you don't believe me), then that is the REAL name of the obstacle. Not whatever G4 decides to call it, they don't run the show. Regardless if people say, "O, that's stupid" or "Well Ninja Warrior calls it this", it doesn't matter, because this a Sasuke obstacle. The people defending that the obstacle is called the Cliffhanger are just wrong. That's great that you believe it is the same obstacle and should have the same name. But that doesn't matter because "Cliffhanger" is not the name of that obstacle anymore. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 13:13:03 GMT -5
You guys are incredibly defensive over a name... Yes, it is just a name, a name which is the Shin-Cliffhanger in the real version of the show. That show is called Sasuke, the wikipedia page is a Sasuke page, this board is a Sasuke board. Therefore, if the producers call it the Shin-Cliffhanger (which is the official name for the obstacle, look at the characters and the translation if you don't believe me), then that is the REAL name of the obstacle. Not whatever G4 decides to call it, they don't run the show. Regardless if people say, "O, that's stupid" or "Well Ninja Warrior calls it this", it doesn't matter, because this a Sasuke obstacle. The people defending that the obstacle is called the Cliffhanger are just wrong. That's great that you believe it is the same obstacle and should have the same name. But that doesn't matter because "Cliffhanger" is not the name of that obstacle anymore. Than we should change all the old Cliff Hangers names to Shin-Cliff Hanger. Where do we draw the line? What if in the next tournament, they change the Metal Spin into the Metal twirl? Are you going to leave the previous tournaments as the Metal Spin? Or rename every tournament with Metal twirl? And its just as much Ninja Warrior is it is Sasuke. Ninja Warrior directs to Sasuke, and by redirecting, it should be as Ninja Warrior as possible. We are in America, not Japan. Americans see Ninja Warrior, not Sasuke. |
|
|
|
Post by The Chief on Apr 13, 2009 13:28:01 GMT -5
Ok, the producers call it the Shin-Cliff Hanger. In that case, we call it the Shin-Cliff Hanger. If they change it to x-cliff Hanger, that's what it will be referred to.
Ninja Warrior is Sasuke, the only difference is the broadcasting of it, but it's still the same show.
|
|
|
|
Post by obakemono on Apr 13, 2009 13:56:53 GMT -5
You make a hell of a point... But uh I think i'll stay with my original proposition. You said it's not the actual name of the obstacle. It is the actual name of the obstacle. Not a debatable point. What people want to call it is another matter entirely, but that is the official name of the obstacle. |
|
supersheep
Hashimoto Kōji
Former Admin
Posts: 2,242
|
Post by supersheep on Apr 13, 2009 14:02:18 GMT -5
Actually that brought up a point of question for me...
We call the Shin-Cliffhanger the Shin-Cliffhanger, calling it the Cliffhanger is wrong (I agree with this, its not the same thing)
In Sasuke 14-17 the announcer refers to the part between the rest bar and the pipe slider the "Devil Buranco" but everyone calls it Devil Swing and has no problem with this. Buranco translates to swing just as easily as Shin translates to New, so why do we do this for one and not another? I've also never heard anyone say Rolling Malta (Malta = Log) in stage 1, but Roku/Godantobi and Soritatsu Kabe are common words. So that does bring up a good question, where is the line?
|
|
|
|
Post by The Chief on Apr 13, 2009 14:05:19 GMT -5
The only reason we call it "Shin" is because it is different from a previous version.
|
|
supersheep
Hashimoto Kōji
Former Admin
Posts: 2,242
|
Post by supersheep on Apr 13, 2009 14:09:48 GMT -5
So say they replace the swing ladder with a cool version of the Devil's Swing (I actually like this idea) and call it the Shin-Devil Buranco. What will we call it?
|
|
|
|
Post by The Chief on Apr 13, 2009 14:10:18 GMT -5
Whatever the announcers call it.
|
|
supersheep
Hashimoto Kōji
Former Admin
Posts: 2,242
|
Post by supersheep on Apr 13, 2009 14:12:51 GMT -5
I agree with that, we should call it what the announcer calls it. So why does no one say Rolling Malta or Devil Buranco but most say Rokudantobi and Soritatsu Kabe?
|
|
scnoi1217
Administrator
Retired Staff
Ummm...not sure what to say here...
Posts: 3,595
Staff Member
|
Post by scnoi1217 on Apr 13, 2009 14:13:21 GMT -5
I've brought this up in the discussion pages in the List of SASUKE Stages. It's definitely an interesting discussion. My personal opinion is that some of the G4 edits are actually good. Warped Wall and Sextuple Step are easier to remember than Rokudantobi or Soritatsu Kabe. Some of them are pretty bad (Bridge of Blades/Destiny). For the wiki, the page has started to move more towards being a Sasuke page, so in the future it should be Soritasu Kabe (Warped Wall) which is good, because it is more authentic to the show.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Chief on Apr 13, 2009 14:21:39 GMT -5
I agree with that, we should call it what the announcer calls it. So why does no one say Rolling Malta or Devil Buranco but most say Rokudantobi and Soritatsu Kabe? Because we are used to saying Rolling Log and Devil's Swing, but now, a lot of people call the obstacles by their Japanese name. The Japanese obstacle list for 21: Rokudantobi Log Grip Pole Maze Jumping Spider Half-pipe Attack Soritatsu Kabe Flying Chute-o! Rope Ladder |
|
|
|
Post by obakemono on Apr 13, 2009 14:27:02 GMT -5
Using the Japanese names casually makes you sound like a twat.
|
|
SuperTiger
Yamada Kōji
Kunoichi-san
*meyolow*
Posts: 1,188
|
Post by SuperTiger on Apr 13, 2009 14:33:07 GMT -5
There is going to be a pronounciation gap between us and Japan, Flying Chute-o is still the Flying Chute, but just like anything else, they say things differently than us. We say First Stage and they say Fastu Stagi we say Second Stage they say Secondu Stagi, we say Third Stage they say Sadu Stagi. Things like that are just gonna be lost in translation, so we would just say whatever the translation is on that note, otherwise it wouldn't make since, and also while Rokudantobi and Soritatsu Kabe are the real names people on the wiki list would go WTF is that, while things like Lamp Grasper and Climbing Bars make since, however Rolling Malta and Devil's Burrou would just bring up confusion again which is why we dont use certain japanese names.
|
|
arsenette
Administrator
Rambling Rican
Posts: 16,632 
Staff Member
|
Post by arsenette on Apr 13, 2009 15:08:42 GMT -5
It's the only obstacle with the word Shin officially in it, as in it's what the announcer says and it's what's in the graphic when they show it on-screen. That's why we've always gone with Shin-Cliff Hanger. I don't get your reasoning. Why would we not use the official names for the obstacle graph? We've made it abundantly clear that we're talking about the Japanese show in the wiki, not the G4 show. Here's what I always thought. I thought shin was just an adjective to explain cliff-hanger. But is that name permanent? When they have an even newer cliff-hanger, will we call that the Shin-Shin-Cliff Hanger. I don't think you understand my reasoning, I'm getting this weird feeling you guys think I'm an a** for deleting it or something, but Shin is just an adjective, I don't think its the ACTUAL obstacle name. K thanks. It's the actual name good Lord. For someone to change the wiki you need proof and a link to justify the change. Just when people start inventing names because they are bored.. It gets incredibly annoying for those who maintain the wiki for the benefit of Sasuke fans to have an uniformed person with a chip on their shoulder constantly changing the name with no fact to back it up. I mean seriously. It's on the official broadcast AND it's Muscle Park obstacle in BOLD ENGLISH LETTERS. What more do you want? There are plenty of obstacles names I find redundant but it's what Monster 9 wants. End of story. The fact this thread even exists is the proof that certain people need to take a step back and just reevaluate their fandom. Some of us have fun with it and just go with the flow. Others let it consume their life and start second guessing Higuchi-san because they somehow think they can do a better show than him. |
|
