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Post by TCM on Jun 14, 2016 8:16:29 GMT -5
I wonder if there's a slight bit of mercy where the finish mat is a little closer. Because I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy to get through that only to fail the jump.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 14, 2016 9:19:55 GMT -5
Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger going directly into a 3 section Vertical Limit, RIP everyone's fingers
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Post by arsenette on Jun 14, 2016 9:28:54 GMT -5
Needless to say I couldn't utter a word before those pics. Let's say when they saw it for the first time.. jaws dropped. Edit: We finally have the Podcast up online (iTunes/YouTube) so if anyone wanted a background on the tournament/my trip) I do a non-spoiler update on it and the first stage obstacles that were first tweeted. This was recorded last week so if you are confused why I didn't talk more about the other stages, they were tweeted afterward. That said.. this is a 3 hour broadcast (our longest) and I talk about other things going on in the event - including some of the taping problems.
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Post by OwlRTA on Jun 14, 2016 10:25:12 GMT -5
Inui is a madman. I like it
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 14, 2016 10:34:14 GMT -5
So I guess that means we have a final lineup of the course considering if there was something new in stage 1 he would have showed us.
So to save some people trouble here's the entire course list with full names and translations of the names
Stage 1:
1: Quad Steps +2: Rolling Hill 3: TIE Fighter 4: Orugooru (Music Box) 5: Double Pendulum 6: Tackle 7: Soritatsu Kabe (Standing Curved Wall A.K.A "Warped Wall") 8: Tarzan Rope 9: Lumberjack Climb
Stage 2:
1: Cross Slider 2: Salmon Ladder Nobori (Salmon Ladder Up) +3: Salmon Ladder Kudari (Salmon Ladder Down) 4: Spider Walk +5: Spider Drop 6: Backstream 7: Gyakusou Conveyor (Reverse Conveyor) 8: Wall Lifting
Stage 3: 1: Drum Hopper Kai (Altered Drum Hopper) 2: Flying Bar* 3: Sidewinder-R Kai (Altered Sidewinder-R) 4: Ultra Crazy Cliffhanger +5: Vertical Limit Kai^ (Altered Vertical Limit) 6: Pipe Slider
* - Sasuke 27 version ^ - Modified, 3 sections going backwards (In regards to the hard camera side) instead of one section at the end going forwards
Final Stage:
1: Spider Climb +2: Salmon Ladder +3: Tsuna Nobori (Rope Climb)
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Post by cole77000 on Jun 14, 2016 10:56:10 GMT -5
+5: Vertical Limit Kai^ (Altered Vertical Limit) ^ - Modified, 3 sections going backwards instead of one section at the end going forwards Actually it's still forwards in relation to the competitor as the small ledges are on the opposite side now. Because the ledge is on the other side, the competitor will be facing away from the finish platform so the transitions will still be forwards. Nitpicky though.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 14, 2016 10:58:56 GMT -5
+5: Vertical Limit Kai^ (Altered Vertical Limit) ^ - Modified, 3 sections going backwards instead of one section at the end going forwards Actually it's still forwards in relation to the competitor as the small ledges are on the opposite side now. Because the ledge is on the other side, the competitor will be facing away from the finish platform so the transitions will still be forwards. Nitpicky though. I was saying "backwards" in relation to the stage and the hard camera side, not in relation to the way the competitor faces, but I can see how that could be misinterpreted
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jun 14, 2016 11:08:20 GMT -5
What is he thinking? This is something that noone will be able to clear in the next 4-5 years. If there were 2 SASUKE tournaments each year like in the M9 Era then it'd be ok but this is too much. Inui seems to have played every card he has. Could this be because the end of SASUKE in near?
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Post by arsenette on Jun 14, 2016 11:12:32 GMT -5
What is he thinking? This is something that noone will be able to clear in the next 4-5 years. If there were 2 SASUKE tournaments each year like in the M9 Era then it'd be ok but this is too much. Inui seems to have played every card he has. Could this be because the end of SASUKE in near? It is near actually if the ship doesn't right itself. However, Inui wants to make sure Sasuke is feared. Too many years it's been the "easy" version of ANW and it bothers him greatly that so many people dismiss it. He took it upon himself to make sure everyone in the world took notice that Sasuke is no joke and on par with ANW in a different way. I don't blame him.. I'm kind of tired of the Sasuke is inferior screams from the ANW crowd. I can't imagine the other stuff he would have put on the tournament if he had even 1/4th of ANW's marketing budget..
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 14, 2016 12:54:05 GMT -5
What is he thinking? This is something that noone will be able to clear in the next 4-5 years. If there were 2 SASUKE tournaments each year like in the M9 Era then it'd be ok but this is too much. Inui seems to have played every card he has. Could this be because the end of SASUKE in near? It is near actually if the ship doesn't right itself. However, Inui wants to make sure Sasuke is feared. Too many years it's been the "easy" version of ANW and it bothers him greatly that so many people dismiss it. He took it upon himself to make sure everyone in the world took notice that Sasuke is no joke and on par with ANW in a different way. I don't blame him.. I'm kind of tired of the Sasuke is inferior screams from the ANW crowd. I can't imagine the other stuff he would have put on the tournament if he had even 1/4th of ANW's marketing budget.. I agree fully. I like what Inui is doing, and I want Sasuke to be feared too. The problem stems from what type of difficulty gets added on. I personally don't have an issue with the composition of the 3rd stage, but a LOT of people hate the concept of the "Cliffhanger" stage. It was that way in the 24-27 era with the original UCH, it was that way in Sasuke Rising due to the Crazy Cliffhanger, and based on the new Cliffhanger this is even more extreme in terms of difficulty. I disagree with the opinion that the UCCH will imbalance stage 3 to the extent of the CC. I can see the Drum Hopper Kai taking a few inexperienced people out, people slipping off of the Flying Bar and the Tri-Vertical Limit mopping up any UCCH clears. But you can see their point. They don't have a problem with Inui trying to take back the "fear-factor" and "difficulty" now associated with ANW, just the method with which he buffs the course. The challenge of one obstacle is massively disproportionate to EVERYTHING ELSE. That is what is questionable.
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Post by dyer on Jun 14, 2016 13:16:22 GMT -5
i guess it could be worse - like if inui made the platform to the final jump so far to the point where the jump has to be perfect or if the flying bar was in its original form or if he had the moving part for the 1st ledge of ucch too - i guess maybe this is, his greatest creation, of what he can do before the door closes soon
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Post by TCM on Jun 14, 2016 13:17:23 GMT -5
ANW is largely Cliffhanger based as well. There are numerous people who failed before it, but if they didn't have the strength to clear the obstacles before it, they were never gonna clear the Cliffhanger. Joe is the only person who failed the Cliffhanger after beating it. Last season, it took out half the field and three of the four who cleared it got to the last obstacle. I believe Vegas still has the UCH + CCH hybrid just made even harder. So you may have people who will fail before that, but like in Sasuke, if those who have trained the hardest get there, they aren't failing beforehand outside of flukes.
I've noticed when an ANW obstacle takes out a lot of people, rarely is it a genuinely well made original obstacle. There's always something wrong with it that contributes to the numbers. There are more Silk Slider mishaps to its credit than say, Roulette Row.
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Post by Madze on Jun 14, 2016 13:48:33 GMT -5
i guess it could be worse - like if inui made the platform to the final jump so far to the point where the jump has to be perfect or if the flying bar was in its original form or if he had the moving part for the 1st ledge of ucch too - i guess maybe this is, his greatest creation, of what he can do before the door closes soon Why soon? I feel like many doors are being opened in the world of sasuke! Look at at all the spin offs that Inui got to direct and build and look at how these obstacle courses are being noticed. I feel like there is more down the road INA!!!!
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Post by arsenette on Jun 14, 2016 13:50:01 GMT -5
i guess it could be worse - like if inui made the platform to the final jump so far to the point where the jump has to be perfect or if the flying bar was in its original form or if he had the moving part for the 1st ledge of ucch too - i guess maybe this is, his greatest creation, of what he can do before the door closes soon Why soon? I feel like many doors are being opened in the world of sasuke! Look at at all the spin offs that Inui got to direct and build and look at how these obstacle courses are being noticed. I feel like there is more down the road INA!!!! Inui only built 2 of the last what.. 15? The ones announced are all ATS. None of that helps Sasuke Japan. However, that's another thread and something I've talked about for years at naseum.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 14, 2016 13:51:43 GMT -5
i guess it could be worse - like if inui made the platform to the final jump so far to the point where the jump has to be perfect or if the flying bar was in its original form or if he had the moving part for the 1st ledge of ucch too - i guess maybe this is, his greatest creation, of what he can do before the door closes soon Why soon? I feel like many doors are being opened in the world of sasuke! Look at at all the spin offs that Inui got to direct and build and look at how these obstacle courses are being noticed. I feel like there is more down the road INA!!!! That's actually part of the issue, TBS is getting so much money licensing out the format across the world they don't see much of a point of making the show domestically since it never does that great in ratings anymore so why spend money producing something that is just getting the money off of licensing fees without having to run anything rather than ad space but costs far more to produce than doing nothing
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Jun 14, 2016 15:05:30 GMT -5
What is he thinking? This is something that noone will be able to clear in the next 4-5 years. If there were 2 SASUKE tournaments each year like in the M9 Era then it'd be ok but this is too much. Inui seems to have played every card he has. Could this be because the end of SASUKE in near? It is near actually if the ship doesn't right itself. However, Inui wants to make sure Sasuke is feared. Too many years it's been the "easy" version of ANW and it bothers him greatly that so many people dismiss it. He took it upon himself to make sure everyone in the world took notice that Sasuke is no joke and on par with ANW in a different way. I don't blame him.. I'm kind of tired of the Sasuke is inferior screams from the ANW crowd. I can't imagine the other stuff he would have put on the tournament if he had even 1/4th of ANW's marketing budget.. I think he could achieve that gradually with all these ideas, but instead he threw them all in a single tournament. I expect changes for SASUKE 33 (if it happens) in order to make the course more normal looking. There's no way a single competitor made it after the 2nd ledge of the UCCH. Also to me at least there's a huge difference between ANW and SASUKE. ANW is a show, constructed in a way to encourage competition and fixed emotions. SASUKE is a festival, where the atmosphere is more relaxed, everyone's having fun and helps each other and you see real drama, real emotions. To me SASUKE is good as it is now. The tight budget adds something positive to it, helps the show to stay true to its' roots and avoid becoming too...westernised
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Post by arsenette on Jun 14, 2016 15:17:48 GMT -5
It is near actually if the ship doesn't right itself. However, Inui wants to make sure Sasuke is feared. Too many years it's been the "easy" version of ANW and it bothers him greatly that so many people dismiss it. He took it upon himself to make sure everyone in the world took notice that Sasuke is no joke and on par with ANW in a different way. I don't blame him.. I'm kind of tired of the Sasuke is inferior screams from the ANW crowd. I can't imagine the other stuff he would have put on the tournament if he had even 1/4th of ANW's marketing budget.. I think he could achieve that gradually with all these ideas, but instead he threw them all in a single tournament. I expect changes for SASUKE 33 (if it happens) in order to make the course more normal looking. There's no way a single competitor made it after the 2nd ledge of the UCCH. Also to me at least there's a huge difference between ANW and SASUKE. ANW is a show, constructed in a way to encourage competition and fixed emotions. SASUKE is a festival, where the atmosphere is more relaxed, everyone's having fun and helps each other and you see real drama, real emotions. To me SASUKE is good as it is now. The tight budget adds something positive to it, helps the show to stay true to its' roots and avoid becoming too...westernised IMO that's a thread aaaaaaaaaaaaall to itself. I agree with a LOT of what you just said. I went so much into even discussing my feelings on the changes as a whole and the atmosphere on the podcast. I have no issues talking about it on another thread since I do believe that's worth it's own topic outside of a straight obstacles thread. There's a lot riding on the line for Sasuke who's 19 years old while ANW in it's current form is really only 4 years old this year. As for how far they can get, etc. etc.. I can't comment on that as I know if they can or cannot.
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Post by lostinube on Jun 15, 2016 1:19:41 GMT -5
It's hard to make the stages "flow" correctly. They would really need a lot of time and money to really replace the course wholescale (the time to do that was either SASUKE 18 or 20). Right now, only switching out a few things here and modifying a couple things there is all they can do and still be able to sort of kind of keep on schedule. At this point, TBS/Inui have the general idea of how to make the show down to an inexact science. The more change they throw in, the more consideration is needed and TBS is giving the production team that.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 15, 2016 9:43:53 GMT -5
This is sorta a cross reference with the information on the General Sasuke 32 thread but there are some videos up (the show aired an hour ago) that had the first stage line up.
I EXPECT FOR THE VIDEO TO BE DELETED.. You have to skip all the way to the end to see the full First Stage confirmation. This is not the full program. Once someone finds that, it will most likely be posted on the other thread since it has Akiyama and Yamada.
EDIT: Someone uploaded JUST the Sasuke portion
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Post by ekkerb11 on Jun 15, 2016 10:23:27 GMT -5
Looks like the Inui-ATS talks have bled over into Vegas too. New cliffhanger has two jumps here as well. Just I don't think the second one drops.
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