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Post by arsenette on Feb 2, 2016 7:56:17 GMT -5
Nah I'm not mad at you but you are missing key information.. precedent. NBC loops all of their footage and in the past that was a big deal in ALL of these specials whether they aired in September or January. You can even tell the quality of voice when it's looped and there was plenty on there. I agree with certain people I won't name that they simply won't admit to it since it will open up a can of worms. If they showed he won, then everyone instinctively will go "wait.. I want to see that!". That's not anything NBC wants to deal with. They also didn't want to share the Kanzenseiha/Total Victory spotlight. There was no gag order.. trust me I asked. Hell, everyone on set kept calling Yuusuke "Hey Champion!" which of course made him beam with delight. We both knew they wouldn't show the Final Stage Ian Dory vs. Morimoto thing but I was extremely surprised they didn't show the Kanzenseiha. Especially since they went out of their way to say (previously) that Morimoto is the first man ever to clear the legit Crazy Cliffhanger in competition. As for Fathead's assertions that money would have helped them not suck.. you are assuming they didn't take the competition seriously. Pride is one heck of an incentive. No one wants to be embarrassed on international television. I don't ever blame athletes for their results (positive or negative). Nerves play a huge part in a show this big. That is the reason why when someone makes it look easy and dominate they instinctively burst out in celebration because they conquered themselves. Yes but is pride enough? It seems like it's more about having fun than just being pride so it would never make as much sense to win or be as much serious if each competitor of a winning team didn't get awarded. I can't see why it would be embarassing to make a mistake on what they call the toughest obstacle course in the world. It looked like many of them just thought "what the heck I won't get awarded anyway so a mistake won't matter" therefore we see many of the competitors making mistakes on some very basic obstacles. We know these guys. Some are even here on SMF. It's not like anyone (but McColl) is a professional athlete. This is who they are. They love to compete and they have pride in being the best. To be named over other athletes (especially in USA and Japan since Europe is still developing so their stable is not as deed) when you have others going "why didn't so in so make the team".. they have to perform or people would freak out that they lost because they were weak. ANW guys especially because I already heard it on the boards and Facebook. Heck.. Japan.. "why isn't the champion on there? They lost because they didn't have Yuuji or Nagano".. Pride is what they have and they are proud to compete and earn their spot. Adding money while nice won't influence their dedication to being the best in the spot you were given. |
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Post by Achiereot on Feb 2, 2016 10:57:53 GMT -5
Yes but is pride enough? It seems like it's more about having fun than just being pride so it would never make as much sense to win or be as much serious if each competitor of a winning team didn't get awarded. I can't see why it would be embarassing to make a mistake on what they call the toughest obstacle course in the world. It looked like many of them just thought "what the heck I won't get awarded anyway so a mistake won't matter" therefore we see many of the competitors making mistakes on some very basic obstacles. We know these guys. Some are even here on SMF. It's not like anyone (but McColl) is a professional athlete. This is who they are. They love to compete and they have pride in being the best. To be named over other athletes (especially in USA and Japan since Europe is still developing so their stable is not as deed) when you have others going "why didn't so in so make the team".. they have to perform or people would freak out that they lost because they were weak. ANW guys especially because I already heard it on the boards and Facebook. Heck.. Japan.. "why isn't the champion on there? They lost because they didn't have Yuuji or Nagano".. Pride is what they have and they are proud to compete and earn their spot. Adding money while nice won't influence their dedication to being the best in the spot you were given. I'm sure most of the ones who failed the basic obstacles could've completed them if they were more serious about doing so. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 2, 2016 10:59:35 GMT -5
We know these guys. Some are even here on SMF. It's not like anyone (but McColl) is a professional athlete. This is who they are. They love to compete and they have pride in being the best. To be named over other athletes (especially in USA and Japan since Europe is still developing so their stable is not as deed) when you have others going "why didn't so in so make the team".. they have to perform or people would freak out that they lost because they were weak. ANW guys especially because I already heard it on the boards and Facebook. Heck.. Japan.. "why isn't the champion on there? They lost because they didn't have Yuuji or Nagano".. Pride is what they have and they are proud to compete and earn their spot. Adding money while nice won't influence their dedication to being the best in the spot you were given. I'm sure most of the ones who failed the basic obstacles could've completed them if they were more serious about doing so. Vehemently disagree. Especially hearing from Japan directly. VEHEMENTLY disagree. Money wouldn't have changed the result. |
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Post by Geoffnotjeff on Feb 2, 2016 11:13:48 GMT -5
We know these guys. Some are even here on SMF. It's not like anyone (but McColl) is a professional athlete. This is who they are. They love to compete and they have pride in being the best. To be named over other athletes (especially in USA and Japan since Europe is still developing so their stable is not as deed) when you have others going "why didn't so in so make the team".. they have to perform or people would freak out that they lost because they were weak. ANW guys especially because I already heard it on the boards and Facebook. Heck.. Japan.. "why isn't the champion on there? They lost because they didn't have Yuuji or Nagano".. Pride is what they have and they are proud to compete and earn their spot. Adding money while nice won't influence their dedication to being the best in the spot you were given. I'm sure most of the ones who failed the basic obstacles could've completed them if they were more serious about doing so. I dont agree with this at all. Except for isaac on stage 1, he didnt care about that. Everyone else took every single stage seriously. |
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Post by Achiereot on Feb 2, 2016 11:16:51 GMT -5
I'm sure most of the ones who failed the basic obstacles could've completed them if they were more serious about doing so. Vehemently disagree. Especially hearing from Japan directly. VEHEMENTLY disagree. Money wouldn't have changed the result. {Spoiler}Kevin and Isaac failed some very basic obstacles I'm sure they wouldn't have failed had it been regular competition. Neither of them rarely make mistakes. If I were to compete I wouldn't have been so crazy about winning either since it takes a lot of time and effort mentally and physically I would more consider it a competition for honour and having fun but that's not the same as competing in regular competition. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 2, 2016 11:32:48 GMT -5
Vehemently disagree. Especially hearing from Japan directly. VEHEMENTLY disagree. Money wouldn't have changed the result. {Spoiler}Kevin and Isaac failed some very basic obstacles I'm sure they wouldn't have failed had it been regular competition. Neither of them rarely make mistakes. If I were to compete I wouldn't have been so crazy about winning either since it takes a lot of time and effort mentally and physically I would more consider it a competition for honour and having fun but that's not the same as competing in regular competition. You are accusing people that they are failing on purpose because they weren't paid for it. That's slanderous. If competition was predictable it would be boring. This is an athletic event and crap happens. They are not robots. |
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Feb 2, 2016 17:08:14 GMT -5
My opinion of this tourney is a bit more positive than last year even though we were minus a Shingo. I was happy to see solid runs from Tomohiro, Ryo, and Yusuke during their chances. Sorry to see them going back home with nothing but memories... But I'm also very glad their experience was more positive than most years. I must admit I was shaking a bit when both Sean and Isaac were neck and neck at the very end with the US taking it. I guess if the US wanted their egos bigger well there you go. But still. Good job Team everyone. Also Hioki ran just once... that MUST be coincidence because Shingo just ran once last year and they're golfing buddies... XD But back on track, I hope Team Japan returns... I feel they're getting closer and closer with each try. |
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Post by Philip on Feb 2, 2016 17:18:32 GMT -5
There's always a new guy that cries rig every damn time someone fails unexpectedly... They modified a couple obstacles. Simple as that. I noticed in the overhead shots they moved the JS tramp back a couple feet. s*** happens. Remember when they modified the JS in Sasuke 19 and 26? lol |
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Post by 2D2Will on Feb 2, 2016 22:36:54 GMT -5
Question: What did Kenji tweet to me? Google and Bing translate aren't helping.
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Post by arsenette on Feb 2, 2016 23:44:54 GMT -5
Question: What did Kenji tweet to me? Google and Bing translate aren't helping. LOL he's used to doing that (meaning taking photos acting like a monkey eating a banana). This has been a friendly joke for well over a decade. |
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Feb 2, 2016 23:59:09 GMT -5
The sound effects were GOLDEN on that topic! ^^
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Post by marsllama on Feb 3, 2016 2:51:29 GMT -5
Feel bad for Kevin, I know how much he wanted to represent his country and it just wasn't his night at all. |
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Post by Achiereot on Feb 3, 2016 2:56:39 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Kevin and Isaac failed some very basic obstacles I'm sure they wouldn't have failed had it been regular competition. Neither of them rarely make mistakes. If I were to compete I wouldn't have been so crazy about winning either since it takes a lot of time and effort mentally and physically I would more consider it a competition for honour and having fun but that's not the same as competing in regular competition. You are accusing people that they are failing on purpose because they weren't paid for it. That's slanderous. If competition was predictable it would be boring. This is an athletic event and crap happens. They are not robots. I'm not accusing anybody of failing on purpose I'm just saying that some of the competitors might not have tried as hard to win as with regular competition and that if they added some rewards it would definitely make it more competitive. You could see on Kevin's face that he wasn't that much sorry to fail the jumping spider, he still looked happy. Do you think it was just a conincidence that 7 or 8 of the 9 competitors who attempted the first stage failed it? |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 3, 2016 3:02:05 GMT -5
You are accusing people that they are failing on purpose because they weren't paid for it. That's slanderous. If competition was predictable it would be boring. This is an athletic event and crap happens. They are not robots. I'm not accusing anybody of failing on purpose I'm just saying that some of the competitors might not have tried as hard to win as with regular competition and that if they added some rewards it would definitely make it more competitive. You could see on Kevin's face that he wasn't that much sorry to fail the jumping spider, he still looked happy. Do you think it was just a conincidence that 7 or 8 of the 9 competitors who attempted the first stage failed it? I really don't want to derail the thread.. Honestly I don't.. but if you insist they all failed on purpose on a sporting competition I disagree. Having fun and being a good sport and flashing a smile is not exclusive to just winning. You expect everyone to throw a tantrum every time they failed? THEN I'd be yelling that they are being bad sports for being grouchy. LOL Coincidence? If that's your only conclusion then yes. When you have the spotlight on you that bright, your every move critiqued, a clock blaring and the weight of your country on you then the majority of the time people will fail. Those who don't are millionaires and do it for a living. |
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Post by Slibinas on Feb 3, 2016 6:12:31 GMT -5
Wow, i cant believe they did not mention about Yuusukes total victory, the youngest person to achieve it, cmon. Aswell there is no doubt that these athletes are doing this for pride, not for a paycheck to fail! Jumping spider is one of the stage 1 killers, it always takes out alot of good competitors, remember that the spider waits for victims in midoriyama, its one of the reasons to watch the show(saw in ninja warrior special). Money can be spent, but glory lasts forever !!!
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Post by arsenette on Feb 3, 2016 9:17:27 GMT -5
 I posted it on my Twitter. I'm sure Yuusuke has it on his Facebook (dunno I don't follow Facebook) but either way, this is his photo. |
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Post by Achiereot on Feb 3, 2016 9:41:46 GMT -5
Wow, i cant believe they did not mention about Yuusukes total victory, the youngest person to achieve it, cmon. Aswell there is no doubt that these athletes are doing this for pride, not for a paycheck to fail! Jumping spider is one of the stage 1 killers, it always takes out alot of good competitors, remember that the spider waits for victims in midoriyama, its one of the reasons to watch the show(saw in ninja warrior special). Money can be spent, but glory lasts forever !!! Obviously it would've been impossible by the hosts to mention or even know about his victory since it was broadcasted after this was filmed and nobody were allowed to spoil it. Telling it to the hosts and then to the crowd would've spoiled it for everybody and that wouldn't have been nice. But I seriously don't understand why it's bothering people so much. The jumping spider is a killer but it's mostly a killer to the new competitors. I've never seen such a high failing rate in one day among veterans. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 3, 2016 14:09:10 GMT -5
Wow, i cant believe they did not mention about Yuusukes total victory, the youngest person to achieve it, cmon. Aswell there is no doubt that these athletes are doing this for pride, not for a paycheck to fail! Jumping spider is one of the stage 1 killers, it always takes out alot of good competitors, remember that the spider waits for victims in midoriyama, its one of the reasons to watch the show(saw in ninja warrior special). Money can be spent, but glory lasts forever !!! Obviously it would've been impossible by the hosts to mention or even know about his victory since it was broadcasted after this was filmed and nobody were allowed to spoil it. Telling it to the hosts and then to the crowd would've spoiled it for everybody and that wouldn't have been nice. But I seriously don't understand why it's bothering people so much. The jumping spider is a killer but it's mostly a killer to the new competitors. I've never seen such a high failing rate in one day among veterans. It's bothering people so much because they used Sasuke 31 footage and NWUK footage that was aired after ANW7 on this program. EVERYONE knew he won and it's friggin' January. All of the post production stuff was done recently and they could have easily put that there. In the past they have put up Sasuke results (like Yuusuke being the first ever to clear the Crazy Cliffhanger only to be "surprised" he did the 180 jump this time around.. c'mon folks.. you already talked about this). It's the inconsistency in reporting that is frustrating. IMO they didn't dare rip the spotlight off of Isaac and to have a Sasuke champion there would have taken from that spotlight.. and worse.. they would have had to weather the storm of everyone going "wait.. I WANT TO SEE SASUKE 31!!".. IMO that is the bigger reason why they didn't even breathe that Yuusuke won. They have a year to figure out if they are even going to approach that subject. Outside of us Sasuke maniacs, few people in ANW casual land even know Yuusuke is the reigning Grand Champion. As for Jumping Spider, agreed that it is unusual but not out of the ordinary. That sucker has taken out Grand Champions in Sasuke. You can't adjust yourself midflight so if you are off angle.. it's over. That's what makes it so exciting. Add nerves, rushing to get fast time (since it matters more in this format) and you have the result you got. Trampoline is very different here so I figured the Japanese would have issues with it. The rest, they really wanted to go fast and just jumped up and not out/up. It's a very easy mistake to do ESPECIALLY given the circumstances. You keep forgetting.. Japan has had 4 champions in 19 years.. USA has 2 champions in 9 years.. there's a reason for that: This course is hard and Jumping Spider has made many graves. |
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Post by Achiereot on Feb 3, 2016 23:44:20 GMT -5
Obviously it would've been impossible by the hosts to mention or even know about his victory since it was broadcasted after this was filmed and nobody were allowed to spoil it. Telling it to the hosts and then to the crowd would've spoiled it for everybody and that wouldn't have been nice. But I seriously don't understand why it's bothering people so much. The jumping spider is a killer but it's mostly a killer to the new competitors. I've never seen such a high failing rate in one day among veterans. It's bothering people so much because they used Sasuke 31 footage and NWUK footage that was aired after ANW7 on this program. EVERYONE knew he won and it's friggin' January. All of the post production stuff was done recently and they could have easily put that there. In the past they have put up Sasuke results (like Yuusuke being the first ever to clear the Crazy Cliffhanger only to be "surprised" he did the 180 jump this time around.. c'mon folks.. you already talked about this). It's the inconsistency in reporting that is frustrating. IMO they didn't dare rip the spotlight off of Isaac and to have a Sasuke champion there would have taken from that spotlight.. and worse.. they would have had to weather the storm of everyone going "wait.. I WANT TO SEE SASUKE 31!!".. IMO that is the bigger reason why they didn't even breathe that Yuusuke won. They have a year to figure out if they are even going to approach that subject. Outside of us Sasuke maniacs, few people in ANW casual land even know Yuusuke is the reigning Grand Champion. As for Jumping Spider, agreed that it is unusual but not out of the ordinary. That sucker has taken out Grand Champions in Sasuke. You can't adjust yourself midflight so if you are off angle.. it's over. That's what makes it so exciting. Add nerves, rushing to get fast time (since it matters more in this format) and you have the result you got. Trampoline is very different here so I figured the Japanese would have issues with it. The rest, they really wanted to go fast and just jumped up and not out/up. It's a very easy mistake to do ESPECIALLY given the circumstances. You keep forgetting.. Japan has had 4 champions in 19 years.. USA has 2 champions in 9 years.. there's a reason for that: This course is hard and Jumping Spider has made many graves. But it doesn't change the quality of this episode at all. I still think it was a great episode but just not enough competitive. The only way they could've mentioned it was in his competitor profile but it wouldn't have fit in at all given that nobody at that time knew about his victory and that he was going to talk about completing stage 3 in the US and not in Japan where it's different along with the fact that it was broadcasted after this episode was shot and they were probably done with editing this a long time ago and they were just waiting for a date to broadcast it. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 4, 2016 1:36:33 GMT -5
Disagree but you aren't reading that even I posted it twice. I think you are more upset with the fact that this show was scrappy and dirty and every one had an off night. It would serve them better to not have it right after an exhausting ANW tournament. Team USA in particular had to be exhausted... Hell Geoff outright collapsed.
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