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Post by TCM on Jul 6, 2014 0:12:55 GMT -5
I think the idea of being slightly miffed (because it really shouldn't bother someone) about some competitors who legitimately fail an obstacle not falling into the water is an incredibly minor and illegitmate complaint.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 6, 2014 0:49:45 GMT -5
I think the idea of being slightly miffed (because it really shouldn't bother someone) about some competitors who legitimately fail an obstacle not falling into the water is an incredibly minor and illegitmate complaint. It's a legitimate complaint because it is an extremely anti-climactic way for a viewer to experience a competitor failing on the course, which a) provides little viewing excitement in and of itself and b) cripples replayability of the tournament for those who like to go back and watch again. Watching a DQ is boring. At least throw the competitor into the water by retracting the rungs already cleared so if they fail the fall in. Who cares if they have to fish out the pole every time, they don't even tape Stages 3 and 4 on the same night anymore, it's not like they're so strapped for time...
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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2014 1:43:11 GMT -5
I despise the backstream on principle (hated it from 28) and still hate it now. Swimming is a sport (and my favorite next to Gymnastics in the summer Olympics) and not an obstacle. The only thing missing from Sasuke now is a bike race because obviously it's trying to be a triathlon. Inui just laughs at me. He wants more water obstacles and won't listen to any of us. So it's not going anywhere. I still hate it though.
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Post by The Chief on Jul 6, 2014 2:00:44 GMT -5
I despise the backstream on principle (hated it from 28) and still hate it now. Swimming is a sport (and my favorite next to Gymnastics in the summer Olympics) and not an obstacle. The only thing missing from Sasuke now is a bike race because obviously it's trying to be a triathlon. Inui just laughs at me. He wants more water obstacles and won't listen to any of us. So it's not going anywhere. I still hate it though. 31 will now have a bike ride to determine numbers a la 18's race. And a Brit will get #100.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2014 2:03:33 GMT -5
I despise the backstream on principle (hated it from 28) and still hate it now. Swimming is a sport (and my favorite next to Gymnastics in the summer Olympics) and not an obstacle. The only thing missing from Sasuke now is a bike race because obviously it's trying to be a triathlon. Inui just laughs at me. He wants more water obstacles and won't listen to any of us. So it's not going anywhere. I still hate it though. 31 will now have a bike ride to determine numbers a la 18's race. And a Brit will get #100. I don't put it past Inui.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jul 6, 2014 3:41:44 GMT -5
I just wanted to pop back in to retract my complaints about the Sasuke 30 Backstream. I got a little too emotional about it, after seeing how winded various contestants were and thinking that it wasn't right to tire them out that early on in the competition, when the toughest stage had yet to go.
I had to stop to think about whether I'd have the same reaction if it was unknowns or recent shows rather than Yuuji failing the Wall Lift from fatigue, and I have to say that I would not be complaining as much. Sure, it was quite scary to see Hioki collapse at the end of the stage like that, but having an obstacle test stamina that much...well, that's actually a good thing to have before Stage 3.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Jul 6, 2014 8:16:41 GMT -5
Looking on Sasukepedia, the only reason most of us didn't complain about the SSL in Sasuke 29 is because only 1 person faled it that way, in a digest. Most people didn't notice
And it's not about favourite competitors. I just hate obstacles with arbitrary rules attached (which is why I hate the Dome Steps)
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Post by TCM on Jul 6, 2014 10:34:07 GMT -5
I think the idea of being slightly miffed (because it really shouldn't bother someone) about some competitors who legitimately fail an obstacle not falling into the water is an incredibly minor and illegitmate complaint. It's a legitimate complaint because it is an extremely anti-climactic way for a viewer to experience a competitor failing on the course, which a) provides little viewing excitement in and of itself and b) cripples replayability of the tournament for those who like to go back and watch again. Watching a DQ is boring. At least throw the competitor into the water by retracting the rungs already cleared so if they fail the fall in. Who cares if they have to fish out the pole every time, they don't even tape Stages 3 and 4 on the same night anymore, it's not like they're so strapped for time... Watching any competitor's run knowing its over and they simply continue just to save face is boring. You can't tell me seeing someone hopeless on the Wall is exciting television when you see them mess up at 35 seconds and the next shot you hear the klaxon and they've made no progress. No one gave crap to the Jump Hang or the Jump Hang Kai when someone barely grazes the water but they can still clearly have the energy to keep going. In ANW, people accept the fact that an arbitray piece of clothing hitting the water ends your run; the judges would even DQ you for hair even know it will never assist you on an obstacle. People accept that using your hands to stabalize yourself on a bridge obstacle DQ's you, even though I incessantly whine it's the dumbest rule in the book. The only time it becomes exciting is in Stage 3 because there's no time limit, so you just hope they have one last ounce of superhuman effort. On that point of grazing the water, falling into the water is a DQ. Getting a course out is a DQ, a different kind, but it has the same effect. Is falling in the water the most common way to DQ, yes, but that just means when discussing, we don't need to always specify for practical discussion's sake. 19 has no replayability for me because of such disatrous results, but for someone who prefers when the course wins, it's a glorious example of when the course fights back. That's the most subjective reasoning anyone has. We can debate whether the rule is a good one, but stating reasons such as "replayability" steps away from any objective discussion. I think it completely blows that Takeda and Kong and Nagano failed how they did, but I have to defend the rule when people are saying things that aren't actually solutions, but ruining the point of the obstacle or because a competitor they like failed there when someone who they might not know got the same short end of the stick, but apparently that's OK. As for the "who cares" about the pipe, no one who runs any large-scale event, or any event/project where you have to reset something before you can continue, no one, absoultely zero people are OK with having things go every which way because it might be the last thing on schedule and thus "having time." No one ever wants to waste time unecessarily on the last thing of the day, especially when it possibly has to be done 26 times. They want to be as efficient as possible so that they finish quicker. And for the last time, the rungs do retract once you clear onto the next section, they've done that since 29. The starting ones don't I assume for design purposes since those rungs are so close to one another. Looking on Sasukepedia, the only reason most of us didn't complain about the SSL in Sasuke 29 is because only 1 person faled it that way, in a digest. Most people didn't notice And it's not about favourite competitors. I just hate obstacles with arbitrary rules attached (which is why I hate the Dome Steps) The point is that the rule was in place for at least one tournament. The obstacle last tournament was lauded as this incredible progression on the Salmon Ladder. The person who failed (Takami) did so in the exact position as Nagano, and as a matter of fact, Takami just didn't have the distance; he didn't hit the rung, causing it to retract back. So people could actually make more of a logical argument about recovering from Takami, who still had the rung out and didn't touch, than Nagano, who had hit the rung even if it didn't fully close back in. You looking it up on Sasukepedia proves my point; it's not like what I'm saying is insider information, it's completely accesible both in written and visual form. And I hate arbitrary rules as well, as evident by the ANW example with bridges, but that and the Dome Steps rules are arbitrary because the obstacle isn't affected by those rules, which makes them arbitrary for the sake of being different. The rule for the SSL is because most people who fail due to the rule, actually affect the fuction of the obstacle. If you can't go just vertically under no circumstance and on top of that, you might have pushed one (or both) of the next section's rungs back in if those rungs are retractable, you can't bring the bar back down safely to continue your run, and since you can't go up on one side to begin with, there's no other choice but to stop. There's no way they haven't tried to test these things.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 6, 2014 10:46:53 GMT -5
It's a legitimate complaint because it is an extremely anti-climactic way for a viewer to experience a competitor failing on the course, which a) provides little viewing excitement in and of itself and b) cripples replayability of the tournament for those who like to go back and watch again. Watching a DQ is boring. At least throw the competitor into the water by retracting the rungs already cleared so if they fail the fall in. Who cares if they have to fish out the pole every time, they don't even tape Stages 3 and 4 on the same night anymore, it's not like they're so strapped for time... Watching any competitor's run knowing its over and they simply continue just to save face is boring. You can't tell me seeing someone hopeless on the Wall is exciting television when you see them mess up at 35 seconds and the next shot you hear the klaxon and they've made no progress. No one gave crap to the Jump Hang or the Jump Hang Kai when someone barely grazes the water but they can still clearly have the energy to keep going. In ANW, people accept the fact that an arbitray piece of clothing hitting the water ends your run; the judges would even DQ you for hair even know it will never assist you on an obstacle. People accept that using your hands to stabalize yourself on a bridge obstacle DQ's you, even though I incessantly whine it's the dumbest rule in the book. The only time it becomes exciting is in Stage 3 because there's no time limit, so you just hope they have one last ounce of superhuman effort. On that point of grazing the water, falling into the water is a DQ. Getting a course out is a DQ, a different kind, but it has the same effect. Is falling in the water the most common way to DQ, yes, but that just means when discussing, we don't need to always specify for practical discussion's sake. 19 has no replayability for me because of such disatrous results, but for someone who prefers when the course wins, it's a glorious example of when the course fights back. That's the most subjective reasoning anyone has. We can debate whether the rule is a good one, but stating reasons such as "replayability" steps away from any objective discussion. I think it completely blows that Takeda and Kong and Nagano failed how they did, but I have to defend the rule when people are saying things that aren't actually solutions, but ruining the point of the obstacle or because a competitor they like failed there when someone who they might not know got the same short end of the stick, but apparently that's OK. As for the "who cares" about the pipe, no one who runs any large-scale event, or any event/project where you have to reset something before you can continue, no one, absoultely zero people are OK with having things go every which way because it might be the last thing on schedule and thus "having time." No one ever wants to waste time unecessarily on the last thing of the day, especially when it possibly has to be done 26 times. They want to be as efficient as possible so that they finish quicker. And for the last time, the rungs do retract once you clear onto the next section, they've done that since 29. The starting ones don't I assume for design purposes since those rungs are so close to one another. Looking on Sasukepedia, the only reason most of us didn't complain about the SSL in Sasuke 29 is because only 1 person faled it that way, in a digest. Most people didn't notice And it's not about favourite competitors. I just hate obstacles with arbitrary rules attached (which is why I hate the Dome Steps) The point is that the rule was in place for at least one tournament. The obstacle last tournament was lauded as this incredible progression on the Salmon Ladder. The person who failed (Takami) did so in the exact position as Nagano, and as a matter of fact, Takami just didn't have the distance; he didn't hit the rung, causing it to retract back. So people could actually make more of a logical argument about recovering from Takami, who still had the rung out and didn't touch, than Nagano, who had hit the rung even if it didn't fully close back in. You looking it up on Sasukepedia proves my point; it's not like what I'm saying is insider information, it's completely accesible both in written and visual form. And I hate arbitrary rules as well, as evident by the ANW example with bridges, but that and the Dome Steps rules are arbitrary because the obstacle isn't affected by those rules, which makes them arbitrary for the sake of being different. The rule for the SSL is because most people who fail due to the rule, actually affect the fuction of the obstacle. If you can't go just vertically under no circumstance and on top of that, you might have pushed one (or both) of the next section's rungs back in if those rungs are retractable, you can't bring the bar back down safely to continue your run, and since you can't go up on one side to begin with, there's no other choice but to stop. There's no way they haven't tried to test these things. TCM, none of this changes the fact that the obstacle is boring, and the way people have been failing it more often than not is boring. I think that's why people are upset. Santa Claus could get DQ'd on it and I couldn't care less, it's the fact that it's just not exciting television. That's my opinion as a viewer and you have yours. I like to see competitors fighting against seemingly impossible time limits. If you want to tune off during the rest of their run because you are not interested in how they deal with that, then okay. But it's something that the majority of people here have been complaining about, as I would imagine is the case with most of the viewership.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2014 10:50:07 GMT -5
Btw the first rung you jump on doesn't retract because they can't get it to do it without making the whole thing functionally useless. They tried.. it just won't work without compromising the rungs above it. As for the SSL I find it boring as hell now. I miss the SL and DSL. At least you could get one person go beastmode and run up the rungs. I find that exciting to watch. This new version is like watching paint dry.
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Post by Philip on Jul 6, 2014 10:53:49 GMT -5
Btw the first rung you jump on doesn't retract because they can't get it to do it without making the whole thing functionally useless. They tried.. it just won't work without compromising the rungs above it. As for the SSL I find it boring as hell now. I miss the SL and DSL. At least you could get one person go beastmode and run up the rungs. I find that exciting to watch. This new version is like watching paint dry. A single SL with all the gaps like the big one would be good to watch.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 6, 2014 10:54:10 GMT -5
Btw the first rung you jump on doesn't retract because they can't get it to do it without making the whole thing functionally useless. They tried.. it just won't work without compromising the rungs above it. As for the SSL I find it boring as hell now. I miss the SL and DSL. At least you could get one person go beastmode and run up the rungs. I find that exciting to watch. This new version is like watching paint dry. i gotta agree now. It's getting old... Time for a new salmon ladder
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 6, 2014 11:31:17 GMT -5
Honestly I don't care about the DQ rule, the same result would happen if the notches fold in, they intended for the obstacle to be attempted that one way, who are we to disagree with the producers? It's not like we made the course, this is what they intended the obstacle to be like, what's next are we going to complain to ANW that you can't use your hands on the season 6 bridge obstacles? I sure as f*** didn't complain despite seeing people robbed for using their hands, that's what the producers wanted so whatever. Personally I don't dislike the SSL because of that rule, I hate the SSL because it's so boring, stage 2 always feels like a speed course so why would I want to watch someone stop, turn around, swing, jump, stop, turn around, swing... you get where this is going, the DQ rule is a good thing since it stops us from having to see that again... Hell if we're going to complain about the SSL for the DQ where will it stop? Are we going to complain about people having to go to the top because they can reach the unstable bridge from lower? Hell why don't we complain about people not using their feet on the Cross Slider... Or what about why don't people just run across the supports on top of the backstream... because that's how the obstacle was intended to be... Btw the first rung you jump on doesn't retract because they can't get it to do it without making the whole thing functionally useless. They tried.. it just won't work without compromising the rungs above it. As for the SSL I find it boring as hell now. I miss the SL and DSL. At least you could get one person go beastmode and run up the rungs. I find that exciting to watch. This new version is like watching paint dry. A single SL with all the gaps like the big one would be good to watch. It was a DSL but it's been done
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Post by arsenette on Jul 6, 2014 11:43:08 GMT -5
Why do we complain? Because it's a discussion board and people were asked about their viewing experience. Period.
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Post by AussiePete on Jul 6, 2014 18:10:22 GMT -5
My partner watched the end of S30 last night, after having gone to sleep in the middle of Stage 3 the other night. I had a string of text messages when I checked my phone: * OMG only 2 guys made it to stage 4 * F#$@ these ads that happen just after they start! * F#$@! Neither of them got it! * This show sucks! * And they're all crying. * * Now I need a hug. Come home. She then moved on to something more light-hearted: * There are two old men in Midsommer Murders jousting with baguettes, wheeling back and forth in their wheelchairs. When I got home I had to explain that's how Stage 4 rolls. It's almost impossible. She was unimpressed.
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Post by Alzy on Jul 6, 2014 18:57:18 GMT -5
Don't know if its been posted yet but after seeing a clip of stage 3 from sasuke 29 just now I just noticed that the transition from the Vertical Limit to the green resting bar is much harder in Sasuke 30 (competitors have to swing upwards to reach the bar whereas in 29 you only had to reach your legs outwards to get to it).
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Post by TCM on Jul 7, 2014 9:21:04 GMT -5
Maniacs, come on. Regardless of whether you're new/English not being your primary language, don't post video of the broadcast in its original form. Some rules have a no tolerance policy. This is one of them. Just a reminder.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 7, 2014 15:12:10 GMT -5
I don't want to sound sad about Shiatori's fail at the hands of the jump hang kai but this also marks the time the all stars have failed at the jump hang at least once... (SASUKEpedia still states Shiratori hasn't failed it yet...)
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Post by jfeathe on Jul 7, 2014 15:49:11 GMT -5
The DSL into the original Unstable Bridge was IMO one of the best sections in the Second Stage ever. I like the SSL, even if it is slower and followed by the single Unstable Bridge, but less so now that I know the rules of it.
I think like with the original SL and DSL, the SSL will stay until the course is redesigned. I hope there can be a change to the obstacle so that all completed rungs can be permanently retracted.
It's a shame about Inui and the Backstream. There's never been a more out of place obstacle in the history of Sasuke.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 7, 2014 15:52:49 GMT -5
It's a shame about Inui and the Backstream. There's never been a more out of place obstacle in the history of Sasuke. THANK YOU! SASUKE isn't a triathlon nor will it ever!
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