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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 4, 2014 12:54:57 GMT -5
Yeah but the near drownings are unacceptable! Yuuji was scary enough but SHINGO?! Oh god that's when I lose my MIND!
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Post by YoDaUO on Jul 4, 2014 14:21:33 GMT -5
I approve of the backstream. I like the obstacle but i think they should make the jet more in the middle, It looks like it is to the side a little bit and people started going around it. Nobody is going to drown on it. Shingo swallowed water, it happens. He was swimming with his head up, he should have put goggles on and kept his head down and he would have passed.
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Jul 4, 2014 8:38:45 GMT -7 lusitaniaangel313 said:
No not really. Well maybe Yuuji since it makes sense and maybe Kanno but the rest I was clueless. But moving on. *grabs the hammer* WHO WANTS THE BACKSTREAM GONE?! (sorry after 2 near drownings it's time for it TO GO!)
I want it gone at this point. Not because of the near drownings, mind you. In 28, they had the jets too low, and the obstacle didn't phase anyone. In 29, the jets were too high, and no one passed until they turned the jets down, and even then quite a few failed. In this one, the jets were just right...and left strong competitors like Yuuji totally exhausted, to the point of not even being able to lift the first wall. And let's not forget Hioki's total collapse at the end of stage 2, just trying to recover his breath and feel good getting up.
No matter how they do the obstacle, it screws someone over for more reason than "lack of skill" or "stupid mistake". That is why I want it gone. """"""""
Yuuji went around the stream first of all... And secondly, he swam for about a total of 5-10 seconds. It's not much to be exhausted from
ANd someone please tell me how to quote correctly. It makes no sense under the new version of proboards
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 4, 2014 15:31:14 GMT -5
The backstream seriously threw everyone for a loop. I mean no one ever thought in SASUKE you would need to know HOW TO SWIM! Since hitting the water anywhere else is a DQ... Surprise! And yeah true but still. The backstream has gotta go... it's caused way too much drama for it to last
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Post by gt4dom on Jul 4, 2014 15:45:06 GMT -5
The backstream seriously threw everyone for a loop. I mean no one ever thought in SASUKE you would need to know HOW TO SWIM! Since hitting the water anywhere else is a DQ... Surprise! And yeah true but still. The backstream has gotta go... it's caused way too much drama for it to last I actually really liked it this tournament, without it the wall lifting is too easy and it was a beast of an obstacle this tournament for taking people out (also so happy they made the gap at the bottom smaller so people (yes Yuuji looking at you) cant climb underneath it rather than lift it. Tbh minus the SSL I really liked Stage 2. I think bring back the Double Salmon Ladder or go for the real deal Stickman Sasuke Patented Triple Salmon Ladder because now its a different technique to the original one as its not up its more across and tbh I find that easier than the Double and a Double would lead to less Runggate issues. But yea rant over about SSL , bar that it was a great stage. Big shout out also to the Spider Drop, if they make the gap about 20cm bigger for next tournament it will be a killer
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Post by thatoneuser on Jul 4, 2014 16:00:08 GMT -5
No not really. Well maybe Yuuji since it makes sense and maybe Kanno but the rest I was clueless. But moving on. *grabs the hammer* WHO WANTS THE BACKSTREAM GONE?! (sorry after 2 near drownings it's time for it TO GO!) I want it gone at this point. Not because of the near drownings, mind you. In 28, they had the jets too low, and the obstacle didn't phase anyone. In 29, the jets were too high, and no one passed until they turned the jets down, and even then quite a few failed. In this one, the jets were just right...and left strong competitors like Yuuji totally exhausted, to the point of not even being able to lift the first wall. And let's not forget Hioki's total collapse at the end of stage 2, just trying to recover his breath and feel good getting up. No matter how they do the obstacle, it screws someone over for more reason than "lack of skill" or "stupid mistake". That is why I want it gone. Let me put it this way: The Backstream is going nowhere. Hate it or really hate it, the only thing you can do now is accept that it's here to stay. As I said earlier, SASUKE will find your weakness and destroy you for it. This makes SASUKE so much tougher, and I think we'll be seeing a new breed of competitors take the spotlight because of it.
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Post by UnrealCanine on Jul 4, 2014 16:05:54 GMT -5
Having finally watched the end of the tourney, i thing the SSL rule is totally silly and uncalled for. You can argue that it was in 29, or that the time limit makes it almost impossible to finish in time if you screw up, but here's my argument.
1) Even if it was in 29, people didn't seem to notice when you had the goddamn Deathstream trying to kill everyone
2) Even if it's impossible, let them try at least. People have always been allowed to keep trying the warped wall when the klaxon starts. Let them go down fighting, not DQ them. They might surprise you
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 4, 2014 18:30:26 GMT -5
exactly. let them fight one
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 5, 2014 11:21:37 GMT -5
I also think that the Third Stage could use a bit of an overhaul. I've been really disappointed in its design since SASUKE 26, which I believe was probably the most difficult we ever had (yes, the floating boards were tough, but the modified RC + Doorknobs was straight from hell and the Cycling Road wasn't easy either). Also, for the love of all things fair, 30 second rule please. 90 seconds is way too much recovery time. At least bring it down to a minute. The editing of the third stage, showing all 90 seconds between eeeeevery obstacle just dragged on. There used to be a much more sinister feeling of the third stage when competitors would be forced to get onto the next obstacle while still tired. Now it's like they can take them on at their leisure. As for the rest of the show, I think they're doing things right, although they could probably use a little touching up on the second stage to make it more fair for those on the Swap Salmon Ladder. It's simply not exciting to watch competitors get disqualified, and this is the only obstacle that it has happened THIS frequently. Remember how deflating it was to witness Kanno get DQ'd on the Spider Flip? If you're going to eliminate a competitor, at least dump them into the water. I would be completely fine with the SSL if they retracted the sets of rungs that were already jumped from, this way, if a competitor misses, they don't just land, they fall into the water. It was great seeing a lot of clears in the first stage. They should leave the difficulty as it is but as others have said it would be neat if they could replace the first wall with something a little fresher. Of course, if this many clears continue to happen in future tournaments, it will be less of an achievement to reach the second stage, but since when should that be such a lifetime achievement? The pattern that would make the show most exciting and most likely to get higher ratings is one that has a lot of people clear the first stage, about half of those clear the second, and then we get to see a bloodbath in the third with a possible heroic survivor in the 4th. On the other hand... completely cutting 7 clears is not cool. At least show them hitting the button as they have in the past. They've broken something of a major tradition here, and now VenusHeadTrap cannot make another cool music video with all the clears for the rising era Also completely cutting out Ishikawa was just bizarre, I don't believe we've ever had a 2nd stage result completely omitted before, except maybe SASUKE 4. Which brings me to the most notable thing about this tournament: the rampant DIGESTING of many top competitors, rookies, and even the All-Stars. I know that I am in the minority here, but I actually happen to love the digest segments on this show. I look forward to them because you never know who will appear, and it keeps the show from dragging on. Usually the music is pretty epic as well, and the fast paced style gives the show a thrill factor that is just hard to describe. Believe me, I was disappointed that a few of my favorite competitors got digested, one of them ALL 3 of his runs, but this helps to make the course seem more impossible, and keeps you on the edge of your seat... because nobody is immune to it. Not even the All-Stars.
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Post by TCM on Jul 5, 2014 11:27:59 GMT -5
You can try the Warped Wall after hearing the klaxon knowing your run is likely over because that's the way the obstacle is set up. To be honest, I hate those runs. I mentally check out once I realize your run is likely over and now you're just trying to go for statistic's sake. The point of the obstacle is that you can't just do the SSL completely vertically. Which is why the gaps exist for the rungs on the same side. The only possible recoverable one is the left side with the bottom and middle rungs but again, you're not allowed to just go up one side. You can't modify it. To do so would ruin the core mechanic of the obstacle, rendering it useless, even down to the name. There's even safety reasons for it. The obstacle is more menacing this way because you know you have no room for error. People want more chances at mistakes on the first two stages, right? There's no bigger chance at a mistake than knowing you can't miss a set of rungs or your run is over. The proper way to beat the obstacle? Yusuke's way. Swing making sure the bar is as high as possible. As for the rest of the show, I think they're doing things right, although they could probably use a little touching up on the second stage to make it more fair for those on the Swap Salmon Ladder. It's simply not exciting to watch competitors get disqualified, and this is the only obstacle that it has happened THIS frequently. Remember how deflating it was to witness Kanno get DQ'd on the Spider Flip? If you're going to eliminate a competitor, at least dump them into the water. I would be completely fine with the SSL if they retracted the sets of rungs that were already jumped from, this way, if a competitor misses, they don't just land, they fall into the water. I really don't understand this, because the retractable ones DO retract back in once you leave them. The ones at the bottom are static because look where they're positioned. You have to change how the stage looks to add the necessary equipment to make them retractable. There's no way to do that. Also, it catches the bar so they don't have to dump it in the water and fish it out. It's why they added that wire at the end of the pipe.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 5, 2014 11:51:29 GMT -5
Starting to post the Blogs. Part 1 is up. Ube's is up as well. I'm going to eat and probably go to sleep so Part 2 won't be up until tomorrow. These take time.
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Post by The Chief on Jul 5, 2014 12:07:54 GMT -5
And we are all very appreciative of you taking your time out to post these, Arsenette. Anyway, so I just finished watching the tournament, and I thought it was one of the best in a while. First stage needs some modding, but moreso just normal updating. Not that big a fan of the new Log Grip. It appeared to be too easy for me. Second stage was excellent, even the SSL. I thought the rule was fine. As TCM said, it would defeat the purpose of the obstacle otherwise. Third stage was very nice, and the obstacles seem to flow, as well as drain you. Still, though, loved watching Hioki Masashi. Lastly, I like the final. Ryo really tried to smoke his way up there.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 5, 2014 12:35:38 GMT -5
Starting to post the Blogs. Part 1 is up. Ube's is up as well. I'm going to eat and probably go to sleep so Part 2 won't be up until tomorrow. These take time. i hear ya. Take your time.
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Post by peterpack on Jul 5, 2014 17:13:02 GMT -5
why is everyone complaining about the backstream ? It's a few strokes at most !
the water is pushed centrally, all you need to do is swim on the far right side then cut accross at the end
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 5, 2014 17:41:07 GMT -5
Because once again someone had to quit because of health issues AKA Shingo. He took in water forcefully...
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Post by mindwarp on Jul 5, 2014 20:17:01 GMT -5
I crashed before finishing the 3rd Stage, but a few thoughts: Re: the SSL DQs: many thanks to everyone for explaining exactly how the rule worked. I honestly thought when watching it that somehow Takeda and Nagano had managed to push the one side in, and thus there were mechanical issues. Knowing how it is supposed to work, I'm OK with the DQs - we really just didn't notice that rule before, and they were technically fair. Darvish, what was up with you and the schoolkids? To the toku fans here, was it just me, or I did hear Hioki and his daughter says "Shuppatsu shinkou! Hassha oorai!" before his 3rd stage run, or did I still have ToQger on the brain from Navi? (And I'm still loving that Nagase did his henshin pose while being called Nitou Kousuke and Kamen Rider Beast.)
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Post by YoDaUO on Jul 5, 2014 21:30:45 GMT -5
If you hate the back stream you just don't know how to swim or anything about swimming. Period
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 5, 2014 21:48:10 GMT -5
No I know how to swim. I just hate that they put it in SASUKE. But I can't argue over a lost cause
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Post by Philip on Jul 5, 2014 21:50:22 GMT -5
The Backstream is pretty much perfect now. It seems like it's a balance between the 28 & 29 versions now.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Jul 5, 2014 22:25:28 GMT -5
I agree with Philip, I actually don't mind the back stream much at all at this point. Swimming is certainly no more difficult of a thing to learn than say, Spider Walking. If these guys can build billions of replicas and learn how to do certain feats of unbelievable finger strength, they should be able to swim and lift walls afterward.
I think the Second Stage would be perfect if they could just retract the 'cleared' rungs on the SSL so if a competitor messes up the fall into the water (if they have to fish it it out and reset it well tough ****, they don't even tape all four stages in one night anymore), and if they brought the Unstable Bridge back to it's full version or reintroduced an old obstacle to make it more interesting like the SSL straight into the Balance Tank. I think anything--barring broken and unfair obstacles, would be better off in the third slot than the one UB board.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 5, 2014 22:30:41 GMT -5
Yeah I hate to admit you're right but the backstream is finally in the median of SASUKE 28 and 29. I just don't like to say it because my favorite competitor nearly lost it there but still. I must admit you're right.
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