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Post by arsenette on May 5, 2012 15:31:54 GMT -5
Let's remember though This is NBC's 1st time doing it. Besides, we can complain on the FB page when it airs. I honestly don't mind the result. Besides, it's ONE out of 100 results, and still, it's not as rigged as Sasuke 24 or 27 I can forgive that. It's NBC's 1st time, so they're not really sure what to do. Sorry but calling on your BS. Neither Sasuke tournament was "rigged".. get your facts straight. Just pisses me off when people misuse a word. If the NBC rumor is true then YES that is rigging. Something that has never EVER happened in Sasuke. You can b**** about obstacles being too "easy" but it's not rigged. Clearing someone who didn't pass it the first time for ratings is rigging. Learn your damn definitions.
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Post by dudesky1000 on May 5, 2012 15:36:10 GMT -5
Guys, there is such a little chance of the rumor actually being true. Think about it. How likely is it really? Also, not to criticize the competitor in question, but what happened to the ninja honor of refusing to take part in NBC's rigging?
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Post by arsenette on May 5, 2012 15:46:29 GMT -5
Guys, there is such a little chance of the rumor actually being true. Think about it. How likely is it really? Also, not to criticize the competitor in question, but what happened to the ninja honor of refusing to take part in NBC's rigging? .. no.. well.. it's. yeah.. it's true. All of it. Just can't confirm who said it but various sources have said it is. We don't know who this goodbye person was but that was taped with a live audience so it could have been anyone. But sadly the rumor has been confirmed to be true... That's all anyone is willing to say right now as we know NBC reads these boards.. hell.. they took Rider's pics and put it in one of their articles.. LOL so we can complain but no naming names as to where the information came from. As for NBC.. they've never have had honor. Hell. I worked for them for 5 years in the 1990's.. they didn't have it then..
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Post by Shuberb674 on May 5, 2012 16:15:42 GMT -5
But sasuke 27 WAS kind of set up! I mean stages 3 and 4 were toned down. ANYBODY CAN SEE THAT! Monster 9 thought 27 would be the last and wanted to end on a kanzensieha!
But shame on you NBC.... And shame on whoever it was who accepted the place in stage 3. YOU HAVE NO HONOUR!
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Post by Badalight on May 5, 2012 16:16:48 GMT -5
Guys, there is such a little chance of the rumor actually being true. Think about it. How likely is it really? Also, not to criticize the competitor in question, but what happened to the ninja honor of refusing to take part in NBC's rigging? I've explained it countless times to you. I'm not sure how it's so unbelievable. Look at Sasuke 19... 2 stage 1 clears. This tourney had 20! That's a lot of stage 1 clears if you think about it. Think about what the qualifer to get on the course was. It was a course that was largely stage 1 obstacles. Even in the semis, the only stage 2 obstacle they had was the salmon ladder which almost no one could pass. Why are you surprised?
All of the 100 athletes who made it only showed their strength on a stage 1 esque course. They also showed how weak they were on a single stage 2 obstacle. These arn't the 10 best anymore. When you get 100 athletes you can't expect them to all be up to par with the top 10 from last year. Even Jake Smith who was a top 10 last year failed on the salmon ladder, so why do you assume people who couldn't beat him in qualifers could do any better?
Then you have to factor in people like Levi and Brian not being there, David losing on stage 1, etc. I don't see how this is unbelievable. Shocking yes, but far from impossible.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 5, 2012 18:15:31 GMT -5
But sasuke 27 WAS kind of set up! I mean stages 3 and 4 were toned down. ANYBODY CAN SEE THAT! Monster 9 thought 27 would be the last and wanted to end on a kanzensieha! But shame on you NBC.... And shame on whoever it was who accepted the place in stage 3. YOU HAVE NO HONOUR! That's not rigging though, If it was rigged there would be just padding that's not out under the uch, if you didn't pass it just move on, they just made courses that happened to be easier, but someone still shined, for example if 24 was rigged... why didn't all 5 win and not just yuuji? and what about ryo in 27... 24 and 27 were not rigged... they just had great results..
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Post by blah123 on May 6, 2012 9:39:55 GMT -5
We can't be 100% sure that it wasn't due to an obstacle malfunction, which has happened several times before. Heck, even someone in NE region got a second chance (where he failed on his first try but passed on his second--but that is a whole story by itself). If there was a malfunction, and this "goodbye" character was an audience member, he may not have realized it. Who knows. Unless these secondary sources can confirm that it really was a do-over, we shouldn't assume too much.
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Post by arsenette on May 6, 2012 10:45:35 GMT -5
We can't be 100% sure that it wasn't due to an obstacle malfunction, which has happened several times before. Heck, even someone in NE region got a second chance (where he failed on his first try but passed on his second--but that is a whole story by itself). If there was a malfunction, and this "goodbye" character was an audience member, he may not have realized it. Who knows. Unless these secondary sources can confirm that it really was a do-over, we shouldn't assume too much. Several sources mentioned what happened. In great detail. The gist was Brent got to the 3rd wall and ran out of time. (conjecture if it was 2 or 4 seconds - regardless he was out of time). NBC never rigged the timer to the gates (those are manually done in ANW.. unlike Sasuke which is rigged to it). He didn't hear the timer go off and put his hands in the air because he didn't hear it as if he failed. Gate didn't go up, smoke didn't go up. Everyone kinda looked around. Finally out of nowhere the gate opened and smoke came up and there was a murmur in the crowd. By all accounts he was a couple seconds already failed but NBC let him through. So far it points to Brent not knowing (or being told) he ran out of time so he shouldn't be blamed. For those who clearly were looking at the clock there was outrage. For those who had no idea wtf was going on there was applause but a bit of confusion. The "re-run" of just the ending is not confirmed. I'm getting conflicting reports on it. Fact though.. he ran out of time but NBC screwed up in making it known he did. Brent had no way of knowing he ran out of time it seems. No one else had gotten to the walls.
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Post by Philip on May 6, 2012 11:24:56 GMT -5
We can't be 100% sure that it wasn't due to an obstacle malfunction, which has happened several times before. Heck, even someone in NE region got a second chance (where he failed on his first try but passed on his second--but that is a whole story by itself). If there was a malfunction, and this "goodbye" character was an audience member, he may not have realized it. Who knows. Unless these secondary sources can confirm that it really was a do-over, we shouldn't assume too much. Several sources mentioned what happened. In great detail. The gist was Brent got to the 3rd wall and ran out of time. (conjecture if it was 2 or 4 seconds - regardless he was out of time). NBC never rigged the timer to the gates (those are manually done in ANW.. unlike Sasuke which is rigged to it). He didn't hear the timer go off and put his hands in the air because he didn't hear it as if he failed. Gate didn't go up, smoke didn't go up. Everyone kinda looked around. Finally out of nowhere the gate opened and smoke came up and there was a murmur in the crowd. By all accounts he was a couple seconds already failed but NBC let him through. So far it points to Brent not knowing (or being told) he ran out of time so he shouldn't be blamed. For those who clearly were looking at the clock there was outrage. For those who had no idea wtf was going on there was applause but a bit of confusion. The "re-run" of just the ending is not confirmed. I'm getting conflicting reports on it. Fact though.. he ran out of time but NBC screwed up in making it known he did. Brent had no way of knowing he ran out of time it seems. No one else had gotten to the walls. Hmm... so it seems that it was a Yamada-type deal like in Sasuke 12.
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Post by dudesky1000 on May 6, 2012 11:51:11 GMT -5
We can't be 100% sure that it wasn't due to an obstacle malfunction, which has happened several times before. Heck, even someone in NE region got a second chance (where he failed on his first try but passed on his second--but that is a whole story by itself). If there was a malfunction, and this "goodbye" character was an audience member, he may not have realized it. Who knows. Unless these secondary sources can confirm that it really was a do-over, we shouldn't assume too much. Several sources mentioned what happened. In great detail. The gist was Brent got to the 3rd wall and ran out of time. (conjecture if it was 2 or 4 seconds - regardless he was out of time). NBC never rigged the timer to the gates (those are manually done in ANW.. unlike Sasuke which is rigged to it). He didn't hear the timer go off and put his hands in the air because he didn't hear it as if he failed. Gate didn't go up, smoke didn't go up. Everyone kinda looked around. Finally out of nowhere the gate opened and smoke came up and there was a murmur in the crowd. By all accounts he was a couple seconds already failed but NBC let him through. So far it points to Brent not knowing (or being told) he ran out of time so he shouldn't be blamed. For those who clearly were looking at the clock there was outrage. For those who had no idea wtf was going on there was applause but a bit of confusion. The "re-run" of just the ending is not confirmed. I'm getting conflicting reports on it. Fact though.. he ran out of time but NBC screwed up in making it known he did. Brent had no way of knowing he ran out of time it seems. No one else had gotten to the walls. Oh snap... Metal Spin's going to make a new name for itself!!!
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Post by arsenette on May 6, 2012 12:01:42 GMT -5
Several sources mentioned what happened. In great detail. The gist was Brent got to the 3rd wall and ran out of time. (conjecture if it was 2 or 4 seconds - regardless he was out of time). NBC never rigged the timer to the gates (those are manually done in ANW.. unlike Sasuke which is rigged to it). He didn't hear the timer go off and put his hands in the air because he didn't hear it as if he failed. Gate didn't go up, smoke didn't go up. Everyone kinda looked around. Finally out of nowhere the gate opened and smoke came up and there was a murmur in the crowd. By all accounts he was a couple seconds already failed but NBC let him through. So far it points to Brent not knowing (or being told) he ran out of time so he shouldn't be blamed. For those who clearly were looking at the clock there was outrage. For those who had no idea wtf was going on there was applause but a bit of confusion. The "re-run" of just the ending is not confirmed. I'm getting conflicting reports on it. Fact though.. he ran out of time but NBC screwed up in making it known he did. Brent had no way of knowing he ran out of time it seems. No one else had gotten to the walls. Oh snap... Metal Spin's going to make a new name for itself!!! The bigger problem is that fact that unlike earlier reports.. TBS DID NOT build the course. That alone speaks as to why so much had happened. They hired an outside company with no experience at all with NW and didn't even know what the show was. They tweaked the obstacles away from the specs TBS sent over and of course day of competition everything that could go wrong did. NBC started to panic that the obstacles were not behaving as they should and they started to tweak obstacles during the event.. both days. by the time 2nd stage rolled around they had changed a lot and they still couldn't get anyone to clear so when someone got close.. they pulled him ahead. 3rd stage was also just as bad as they gave him herds of time between obstacles to get through and even then he couldn't clear. Personally I'd rather that then award 500k to someone who should have failed in Stage 2. I mean I like Brent a lot but I'm sorry if you didn't clear you didn't clear. This isn't Wipeout. If they really wanted to give the money away they should have just done Wipeout rules and took the furthest.. otherwise this is not Sasuke.
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Post by mikessssssss on May 6, 2012 12:04:40 GMT -5
If they re-did the ending then that is, of course, ridiculous. If they screwed up and decided that it was unfair to Brent that he didn't know he was out of time it's still ridiculous but less so and ovbiously justifiable, commercailly, considering they would have had nobody in the third stage. For those us of that actually watch it, i guess we'll find out soon enough precisely how it went down - that is intriguing
Edit: Did the redo obstacles too? If so wow, that's pretty depserate.
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Post by dudesky1000 on May 6, 2012 12:08:00 GMT -5
Oh snap... Metal Spin's going to make a new name for itself!!! The bigger problem is that fact that unlike earlier reports.. TBS DID NOT build the course. That alone speaks as to why so much had happened. They hired an outside company with no experience at all with NW and didn't even know what the show was. They tweaked the obstacles away from the specs TBS sent over and of course day of competition everything that could go wrong did. NBC started to panic that the obstacles were not behaving as they should and they started to tweak obstacles during the event.. both days. by the time 2nd stage rolled around they had changed a lot and they still couldn't get anyone to clear so when someone got close.. they pulled him ahead. 3rd stage was also just as bad as they gave him herds of time between obstacles to get through and even then he couldn't clear. Personally I'd rather that then award 500k to someone who should have failed in Stage 2. I mean I like Brent a lot but I'm sorry if you didn't clear you didn't clear. This isn't Wipeout. If they really wanted to give the money away they should have just done Wipeout rules and took the furthest.. otherwise this is not Sasuke. I agree exactly. However... I wonder how NBC will manage the on screen clock during the broadcast??? My guess is they'll cut away to the audience briefly and then time will be manipulated to fit what happened afterward.
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Post by dcow on May 6, 2012 12:37:50 GMT -5
I wonder what other ninjas like Ryan and David C. think about this.
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Post by arsenette on May 6, 2012 12:55:15 GMT -5
I wonder what other ninjas like Ryan and David C. think about this. I honestly wouldn't ask in the forums. Their NDA covers all the way to July's airing. So don't expect anything coming out of them. Wouldn't be fair Oh and I'm hearing yes .. various retries on the pipe slider. Apparently something about it was the wrong size? I think the pole.. not sure.. so yeah people were falling off that thing left and right and so they had them redo it. At least that's part of what I'm hearing. I didn't bother checking exactly because the Brent thing was enough for me...
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Post by Badalight on May 6, 2012 13:37:47 GMT -5
I wonder what other ninjas like Ryan and David C. think about this. I honestly wouldn't ask in the forums. Their NDA covers all the way to July's airing. So don't expect anything coming out of them. Wouldn't be fair Oh and I'm hearing yes .. various retries on the pipe slider. Apparently something about it was the wrong size? I think the pole.. not sure.. so yeah people were falling off that thing left and right and so they had them redo it. At least that's part of what I'm hearing. I didn't bother checking exactly because the Brent thing was enough for me... What pipe slider?
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on May 6, 2012 13:43:02 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't ask in the forums. Their NDA covers all the way to July's airing. So don't expect anything coming out of them. Wouldn't be fair Oh and I'm hearing yes .. various retries on the pipe slider. Apparently something about it was the wrong size? I think the pole.. not sure.. so yeah people were falling off that thing left and right and so they had them redo it. At least that's part of what I'm hearing. I didn't bother checking exactly because the Brent thing was enough for me... What pipe slider? Slider Drop, probably.
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Post by Philip on May 6, 2012 15:47:34 GMT -5
I wonder what other ninjas like Ryan and David C. think about this. I honestly wouldn't ask in the forums. Their NDA covers all the way to July's airing. So don't expect anything coming out of them. Wouldn't be fair Oh and I'm hearing yes .. various retries on the pipe slider. Apparently something about it was the wrong size? I think the pole.. not sure.. so yeah people were falling off that thing left and right and so they had them redo it. At least that's part of what I'm hearing. I didn't bother checking exactly because the Brent thing was enough for me... The Slider Drop retries are because of a malfunctioned obstacle, not a rigged result.
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Post by RiderLeangle on May 6, 2012 21:21:29 GMT -5
I think it is the Slider Drop, based on that original pic we had it hugged the rails far too much, Sasuke you're allowed a slight bit of give on the drop because of physics... they didn't factor that in for the ANW version... and as for the comment about the metal spin making a name for itself... I don't think it's all the metal spin (which is too close to the water...) The Double Salmon Ladder has the safety weights which make it have more shock so it's more getting into the notches which with the whip is apparently harder, the balance tank looked padded from the small bit we got which would make a difference in the rolling and the stepping...
TBS only sending measurements and not inspecting the course was a huge f*** up... an outside company doing it is a disaster... Even G4 should have inspected it... since those stuntmen didn't know what they were doing... now I can understand why *spoilers, don't complain* david failed stage 1
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Post by Philip on May 6, 2012 21:29:20 GMT -5
I think it is the Slider Drop, based on that original pic we had it hugged the rails far too much, Sasuke you're allowed a slight bit of give on the drop because of physics... they didn't factor that in for the ANW version... and as for the comment about the metal spin making a name for itself... I don't think it's all the metal spin (which is too close to the water...) The Double Salmon Ladder has the safety weights which make it have more shock so it's more getting into the notches which with the whip is apparently harder, the balance tank looked padded from the small bit we got which would make a difference in the rolling and the stepping...
TBS only sending measurements and not inspecting the course was a huge f**k up... an outside company doing it is a disaster... Even G4 should have inspected it... since those stuntmen didn't know what they were doing... now I can understand why *spoilers, don't complain* david failed stage 1 Yea, there should have been more testers that knew about the competiton, like Mike Bernardo and Ryan Stratis.
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