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Post by baronbk on Apr 3, 2012 13:39:51 GMT -5
How'd venomcarnage do? Also, anyone know if MGM the studio owns MGM Grand the hotel?
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Post by Philip on Apr 3, 2012 13:45:09 GMT -5
How'd venomcarnage do? Also, anyone know if MGM the studio owns MGM Grand the hotel? No, they are 2 separate companies.
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Post by Ninja Chris on Apr 3, 2012 23:17:01 GMT -5
That sucks I know that feel, I failed them in New Jersey. Well, to be honest... It wasn't that I failed the Quad Steps (Technically I did, but you'll see what I mean...), as much as I lost to myself. My mental game was completely shot, I couldn't focus, and my mind went blank after I started my run up until I failed.
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venomcarnage89
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Apr 4, 2012 15:41:01 GMT -5
How'd venomcarnage do? Also, anyone know if MGM the studio owns MGM Grand the hotel? Jump to the jumping bars. I don't know how in depth I'm "allowed" to go, but the trampoline situation in this competition was a mess.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 4, 2012 22:28:55 GMT -5
I assume semis? One of the 13 victims of the jump to the jumping bars? Or was it just as bad in qualifiers?
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Post by Oti on Apr 4, 2012 22:47:44 GMT -5
Kinda sounds like you're blaming the trampolines. I'm not saying trampolines aren't tricky, cause they are, but still. Try to look at it as a learning experience. Most people weren't as prepared as they thought/had hoped. I was more prepared than I had thought considering I haven't trained for ANW since early 2011, haha. Guess I'm onto something with all these here barbells and whatnot.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 4, 2012 23:17:32 GMT -5
Obviously I wasn't in any of the cities but from the pictures alone.. I thought it was the proper distance. I think everyone in ANW (1-3) got used to the bunny hop to the walls and didn't understand how much of a b**** the trampoline is from the Jump hang (and spider walls) in Sasuke. That's why you see so many swan dives in Sasuke.. so it made me happy that the trampoline was so far from the Jump Hang.. that's how it's supposed to be.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 5, 2012 0:49:48 GMT -5
Uhhhm, The Jump Hang was in ANW3. And the Trampoline to the Jumping Bars has always been there, it was originally in Semis and got moved into qualifiers for ANW2, remember Nagano failed it? Not to mention the Salmon Ladder's trampoline
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Post by Oti on Apr 5, 2012 1:50:14 GMT -5
From my experience in NF4, ANW2 and now ANW4, I can vouch that the trampolines DO change. They range from being nice and bouncy and obviously on your side to stiff and tight and your mortal enemy. That being said, I like this surprise factor. It gives us an idea of who's powerful* and able to adapt to new challenges on the fly and who isn't.
*Just like with the Quad Steps. You can always identify the powerful competitors by the way they tackle the Quad Steps. The ones who one-step them usually have more power than those who multi-step them. And I mean power in the literal sense, here. Raw, explosive force production. It has nothing to do with replica practice or anything.
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Post by thebra on Apr 5, 2012 2:56:14 GMT -5
I've got to agree with you on all accounts Oti.
I can't blame anything on the course itself for my previous failures, just a matter of not being fast, strong, powerful, explosive, or adaptable enough.
All I can do is use that experience to fuel my training and to tell me what I need to work on.
By the way do you still have your training guide (maybe even updated?)? I can't seem to find the one you gave me at ANW2.
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Post by Oti on Apr 5, 2012 3:13:23 GMT -5
The "book" (technically?) is finished. I planned on printing it and distributing it at ANW4, but I didn't have a chance to get to a store and actually print it. I then planned on formatting it into either a .pdf or a fancy forum post (probably the latter) and posting it here once I got home, but my computer is destroyed and my external hard drive (with allll my backups of everything) decided to format itself. My ANW4 stuff is safe, as is my favorite music, the training guide and a few other projects (brought things to keep myself busy in my hotel room), but I've been preoccupied with trying to restore what was essentially my life. It sounds geeky, but everything was on that drive. Tricking, lifting, birthdays, picnics, adventures, memories... It's my number one priority right now. HOWEVER! If you want to PM me questions or something, I'll be more than happy to answer them for you. The book is just all my ranting from this forum, pasted and organized into a somewhat legible format.
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venomcarnage89
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Apr 5, 2012 12:21:04 GMT -5
I'm fine with a jump being there, I am fine with the distance given, I prefer it actually. The only issue I have with it is because here we had a practice trampoline that was the springiest trampoline I've jumped on in years, it had over a foot of flex easily, and I had access to it for about 12 hours before my run and got perfectly "in tune" with it, but then the trampolines on the course couldn't have been more different, the Jump Hang was a lot tighter, but wasn't bad. And then the Jumping Bars trampoline was the tightest trampoline ever, in comparison to the trampoline they gave to practice on and even to the Jump Hang, it felt like jumping on solid ground with its 3 inches of flex. I'm accommodating it into my training and learning from it completely, but consistent trampolines shouldn't be too much to ask for, or at least don't throw anyone off with a practice trampoline that will only make you less used to the ones on the course.
Now I'm not 100% blaming the trampolines (it does show that G4 is still pretty weak,) and I know that obviously the biggest factor in the course is always the competitor, which is why I already have 2 completely different trampolines at my house, my usual very flexible bungee trampoline, and now a rock solid one that hardly moves. Its all a learning experience and with it being my first time finally getting to go out and compete, there was a lot to learn. I'll be better prepared next year because of it, and I'll expect every curve ball they can and will throw at us. But the main thing I needed to learn was what it felt like to be there for 16 hours beforehand and to actually compete on camera and in front of the crowd after the long day. I am training my legs far more this year too because of it, I still feel my legs are more than enough to get through the course, but they aren't resilient enough to handle a super long day and then run the course like my upper body. Negative experience is the best experience to learn from.
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Post by arsenette on Apr 5, 2012 12:36:13 GMT -5
Your experience reminds me of when they had both the bungie trampoline and the springboard on the same first stage course of Sasuke. That screwed up a LOT of people since the technique for each is different. I thought it was evil then!
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 5, 2012 13:41:03 GMT -5
You mean 17 or 25? Or both? (I could say 26 and 27 but the Giant Swing didn't even need the springboard really) But what I want to know is if just one footing the edge of the trampoline (Bunpei Style ) is even legal, Apparently on guy in Dallas did it but the judge may have missed him since apparently some competitors touched the back of the steps and still were allowed to continue, they only have one judge who can miss things...
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Post by arsenette on Apr 5, 2012 13:46:27 GMT -5
You mean 17 or 25? Or both? (I could say 26 and 27 but the Giant Swing didn't even need the springboard really) But what I want to know is if just one footing the edge of the trampoline (Bunpei Style ) is even legal, Apparently on guy in Dallas did it but the judge may have missed him since apparently some competitors touched the back of the steps and still were allowed to continue, they only have one judge who can miss things... Bunpei triple jumps the trampoline and it's perfectly legal. So long as you are not outside the course you are fine. I have no idea wtf the ANW people are talking about. I have no idea what you are referring to "back of steps"..
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 5, 2012 14:12:56 GMT -5
I know it's perfectly legal in Sasuke, I'm wondering about the ANW legality, one guy did it and was fine though, but we kind of need more evidence.
As for the back of the steps, it's exactly what it sounds like, in ANW you're not allowed to touch the back of the steps, I assume that means the big red part, you're only allowed to touch the slope and the top but the back is an off course area so DQ, the point is the judge missed people doing that and moved on despite the illegal move.
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Post by Oti on Apr 5, 2012 17:39:34 GMT -5
One stepping the trampoline was legal in ANW4.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 5, 2012 18:43:00 GMT -5
Well if it was legal in miami and one person did it in dallas, guess that means nothing to worry about, strategy found
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Post by Badalight on Apr 5, 2012 19:03:47 GMT -5
(snip) long post about trampolines I completely agree with you, as the same situation happened to someone I know. The practice trampoline is a death trap Also, Rider wasn't asking if 1 stepping the trampoline was legal, he was asking if using the edge of the trampoline instead of the bouncy part is legal. I don't think you're allowed to... but it's really hard to notice. The judges were really lenient all things considered. The judges are on ground level so it'd be hard to tell if you hit the spring part or not.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Apr 5, 2012 19:41:17 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I meant, using the frame of the trampoline up at the end of it instead of the bouncing part right in the middle.
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