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Post by mikessssssss on Jan 3, 2011 19:13:46 GMT -5
Again I don't think it should be easier. If we look at the number of 1st stage clears each tournament, I would say 10 is about average. Also if one more American failed and let's say Iketani failed, and instead Yuuji and Nagano passed, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. We wouldn't be having this discussion because our favourite competitors would have passed the first stage; so we'd be happy, but they didn't. Why didn't they? partly because they made mistakes and partly becaue the first stages, in all competitions, are unneccisarily hard. An easier first stage but a shorter amount of time would be better. I really can't see why people have a problem with an easier first stage but an harder second stage. 10 passes on average, as you say, is not alot.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jan 3, 2011 19:33:28 GMT -5
Again I don't think it should be easier. If we look at the number of 1st stage clears each tournament, I would say 10 is about average. Also if one more American failed and let's say Iketani failed, and instead Yuuji and Nagano passed, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. We wouldn't be having this discussion because our favourite competitors would have passed the first stage; so we'd be happy, but they didn't. Why didn't they? partly because they made mistakes and partly becaue the first stages, in all competitions, are unneccisarily hard. An easier first stage but a shorter amount of time would be better. I really can't see why people have a problem with an easier first stage but an harder second stage. 10 passes on average, as you say, is not alot. You just made my point. Mostly everyone here is biased.... I think 10 clears is a good number despite who got there. No it's not great for ratings but as a fan of the show, I think this tournament kept us on our toes which made the tournament a bit exciting. At least in the 1st stage.
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Post by TCM on Jan 3, 2011 19:40:23 GMT -5
One obstacle doesn't make a stage difficult. It's a collection of things. 10 clears compared to the early days isn't a lot at all. But as of late when the 1st Stage has taken a turn in terms of difficulty? Yeah, that's more than originally thought. It's one thing if another 19 happened (in which MULTIPLE difficult obstacles made it nearly impossible to clear). It's kinda sad to say if our favorite competitors cleared, this wouldn't be a problem. How about having good competitors BESIDES the veterans and STQ'ers? Takamasa Nagasaki (in 18), Tomohiro Matsunaga (21), Yoshiki Ito (23) are IIRC the only people who've cleared that didn't have previous experience before clearing and was given a slot outside of a normal Sasuke trial (ANC counts here for me) since Shin-Sasuke started. It's more about TBS/M9 to start getting people who they can just pick up and go "Hey, this guy has a legit shot" if they at least won't have some form of a trial instead of going "We're picking you, even though you have no chance doing well" for a couple of lulz.
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Post by mikessssssss on Jan 3, 2011 20:08:17 GMT -5
We wouldn't be having this discussion because our favourite competitors would have passed the first stage; so we'd be happy, but they didn't. Why didn't they? partly because they made mistakes and partly becaue the first stages, in all competitions, are unneccisarily hard. An easier first stage but a shorter amount of time would be better. I really can't see why people have a problem with an easier first stage but an harder second stage. 10 passes on average, as you say, is not alot. You just made my point. Mostly everyone here is biased.... I think 10 clears is a good number despite who got there. No it's not great for ratings but as a fan of the show, I think this tournament kept us on our toes which made the tournament a bit exciting. At least in the 1st stage. My point was that if our favourite's got through the first stage we'd be happier; surely you would be, no? I think i'm becoming half parrot. Oh and if we just look at things subjectively then all forms of conjecture are pointless, and that would be no fun either.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jan 3, 2011 20:13:39 GMT -5
And thus this topic wouldn't exist. Sasuke should be hard. If there are 20 clears then there would be more digested runs.... we won't get to know some new comers if they get digested.... and a bunch of other possibilities if there "what ifs" happened....
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Post by cole77000 on Jan 3, 2011 20:16:33 GMT -5
You just made my point. Mostly everyone here is biased.... I think 10 clears is a good number despite who got there. No it's not great for ratings but as a fan of the show, I think this tournament kept us on our toes which made the tournament a bit exciting. At least in the 1st stage. My point was that if our favourite's got through the first stage we'd be happier; surely you would be, no? I think i'm becoming half parrot. Oh and if we just look at things subjectively then all forms of conjecture are pointless, and that would be no fun either. It is impossible to be completely objective, but I will try. Right now, I am thinking about TBS ratings which is the main issue at the moment. The fact is that when people go farther into the course, ratings go up. Now I was fine with the number of clears on the first stage but I am not happy that two of the most difficult obstacles on the stage (and probably of all time) were third and fourth. I wouldn't mind so much if it was the giant swing taking everybody out, because many make it far and it is a dramatic ending to the run. I just thought it was rediculous that 4+ elite competitors were failing only the third obstacle, and many who didn't failed the obstacle right after. This will not help with ratings, it was a killfest on the RE and the JS (usually it is a killfest on the JS but it was worse than usual this time because of the height difference).
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 3, 2011 20:40:35 GMT -5
Considering how many people we cut... There might have been several Giant Swing failures... We didn't even see Adam T fail it in the Japanese broadcast... David, were there any other fails you saw on the Giant Swing besides Adam?
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Post by mikessssssss on Jan 3, 2011 20:41:00 GMT -5
And thus this topic wouldn't exist. Sasuke should be hard. If there are 20 clears then there would be more digested runs.... we won't get to know some new comers if they get digested.... and a bunch of other possibilities if there "what ifs" happened.... If this topic didn't exist it would be because i'd have been happy with how Sasuke 26 went and so would, presumably, alot of other people. We had enough congested stage one runs this time around; i mean does anyone know anything about Ryo's run yet? Even if stage two gets digested the best will still shine through. If people get deep into stage two or make it to stage three, then we'll probably know what they look like. @cole: The ratings was in part why i started this thread, to me it seems as if the most well liked get through then viewers will be happy, which can only help, whilst still mainintaing the difficulty of the tournament as a whole. Of course this is all conjecture and is, logically speaking completley irrelevant and a huge waste of time.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jan 3, 2011 20:54:44 GMT -5
Again a lot of ifs. Stage one should not be easier just because Nagano, Yuuji, Kanno Shingo, Kongu, etc. failed. It should be easier only if like 3 or 4 people cleared. I see 10 clears. It should not be easier... At most an adjustment to the RE and maybe the JS. If this happens the GS should be made harder and replace the Hazard Swing with something more difficult and keep the time limit the way it is.....
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Post by mikessssssss on Jan 4, 2011 5:30:44 GMT -5
Again a lot of ifs. Stage one should not be easier just because Nagano, Yuuji, Kanno Shingo, Kongu, etc. failed. It should be easier only if like 3 or 4 people cleared. I see 10 clears. It should not be easier... At most an adjustment to the RE and maybe the JS. If this happens the GS should be made harder and replace the Hazard Swing with something more difficult and keep the time limit the way it is..... Like i said if you dismiss all forms of conjecture then there is literally no point in you making a single post ever. Tweaking the JS and the RE would be making it easier even if another obstacle was made harder. Take out foreigners and only four Japanese people made it. I'm sure the fans loved that. I would be shocked if the ratings were any good, because i don't believe that a majority of people would be happy to see so many failures. And you didn't really answer my other hypothetical question. Would you be happier if your favourite competitors made it through? Do you think that would have any effect on ratings?
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Post by RobbyMac on Jan 4, 2011 19:05:00 GMT -5
You are saying things that I get scolded at for, for supporting ANW. Because it's only American. You're worried about only Japanese competitors? Sasuke isn't about one race. Ratings isn't either.... Don't be worried about what I'm posting, be careful with your posting. I'm talking as a fan of the show. Ratings in Japan mean nothing for the COMPETITIVE ASPECT of Sasuke. It should be harder after each Kanzenseiha.
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Post by mikessssssss on Jan 4, 2011 19:19:35 GMT -5
You are saying things that I get scolded at for, for supporting ANW. Because it's only American. You're worried about only Japanese competitors? Sasuke isn't about one race. Ratings isn't either.... Don't be worried about what I'm posting, be careful with your posting. I'm talking as a fan of the show. Ratings in Japan mean nothing for the COMPETITIVE ASPECT of Sasuke. It should be harder after each Kanzenseiha. Who is scolding you for supporting ANW? The Americans are awesome and i loved watching them. If the Americans were liked and seen in the same light as we see them then why fast forward the successful runs? If you read my first post, which i can only assume you did, then you would clearly fathom that my reasoning for making this rather stupid thread was because I AM A FAN of the show but, to me, seeing my favourite competitors fail is frustrating. So you think that an easier first stage would have no impact on ratings? Reverting back to subjectivity. If you like something that's fine because i cannot make you like something; if you like lots of people failing because that's how Sasuke should be: Hard. If this is what you like that's completely fine, i just hold another opinion. Why am i asking so many questions? because it's hard to decipher what you're writing. But whatever, we're all friends.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jan 4, 2011 19:25:50 GMT -5
Fair enough. Enjoy.
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Post by TCM on Jan 4, 2011 19:47:05 GMT -5
If the Americans were liked and seen in the same light as we see them then why fast forward the successful runs? If you don't mind I would like to answer this, regardless whether it was rhetorical. This has nothing to do with race. Runs have been digested before. IMO 2 things go into showing a clear: 1. how exciting was it and 2. the experience of the competitor. Now, have those who had seemingly exciting runs from response of those there been digested for TV? Yep. Have experienced guys been digested and even cut? Yep. Back in the first few Sasukes entire clears were cut, you were lucky to get a digest. Paul gets shown in full because he's the 1st to clear out of everyone, Brett gets digested because he cleared easily AND is a rookie. Travis had the worse ANW1 result, maybe he was seen as expendable. David had the best American result in 22 and Brian has the most tenure of Americans that competed in ANW2. Despite the fact they both cleared easily, they get shown for those reasons to me. In Stage two, again, Paul gets shown because he's the lead off, Brent and Travis are expendable, David because he had little trouble, Brian just gets lumped in. The 4 Japanese competitors and Lee get shown because their runs were more "important" for the story of sorts. Ishikawa and Iketani gets shown to show off the "featured" obstacle of Stage 2, DSL. Lee gets shown because he's the first non-American to clear. Kouji and Okuyama are shown because they are the ones under the microscope, all the other consistent guys failed already and each was dramatic in their own right. Kouji likely rushed the Metal Spin because he was running out of time and Okuyama I don't even have to explain. Good drama = good TV to the editors = they get shown. Their high numbers helped too. Stage 3, Brian failed the 1st obstacle, he's expendable now. Paul is the lead off and gets shown. David got the farther on the UCH, he gets shown as opposed to Brett who fails before even trying the gap to the 4th ledge. Okuyama and Lee will no matter what reason you want to say will get shown, didn't hurt they had virtually the same position fail on the UCH (not to mention, it's the farthest since). At the end of the day, G4 showed the ANW guys and the 5 who failed don't get shown because their runs don't hold clout over the experience guys who had shocking fails. Did they deserve a cut? Arguable. Should anyone be surprised, not to me.
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