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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 23, 2010 10:46:44 GMT -5
On one hand I can kind of understand where everyone is coming from... But theres something everyone seems to be forgetting... Guys.. remember .. ANW was in August.. Sasuke was on October 19th.. that's a lot of time I'm sure Patrick had to have been training his a** off on rope climbing before he even went to Japan... It'd be stupid not to...
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Post by scnoi1217 on Dec 23, 2010 10:52:49 GMT -5
If anything this will make G4 want to pursue this road further.
G4 got what they wanted from doing ANW this way: controversy. The backbone of why any reality show is successful nowadays is because of controversy and G4 got what they wanted with Patrick going instead of Rich. In G4's eyes, at least people are talking about the show, even if it is negatively.
Is it in the spirit of SASUKE? Absolutely not. But it's pretty decent television for American audiences.
Although, I'm glad everyone is panning the idea as being stupid. If G4 does listen to its fans, and wants ANW to be a brand in the long run, it will change that part of the show.
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Post by The Chief on Dec 23, 2010 11:03:31 GMT -5
G4 got what they wanted from doing ANW this way: controversy. The backbone of why any reality show is successful nowadays is because of controversy and G4 got what they wanted with Patrick going instead of Rich. In G4's eyes, at least people are talking about the show, even if it is negatively. In the words of Eric Bischoff, Controversy Creates Ca$h. Anyway, I like Patrick, and I will continue to like Patrick. You guys are making it sound like he's the nephew of the Devil. I wouldn't put it past G4 to have edited this so that it looked more controversial than it was. I like this team. I like this ANW 10. Now, knowing what I know, things are gonna be interesting.
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Post by TCM on Dec 23, 2010 11:45:42 GMT -5
Anyway, I like Patrick, and I will continue to like Patrick. You guys are making it sound like he's the nephew of the Devil. I wouldn't put it past G4 to have edited this so that it looked more controversial than it was. This is my feelings as well. Yeah, Adam L. and Rich didn't make it, but guess what. They were slower than Evan and Adam T. So Patrick is at fault because Evan decided to step up and prove himself further (let us not forget Patrick didn't want him to be the reason he could have just missed out)? People shouldn't want to castrate the guy just because of some spilled rocks. I have faith in Pat and I am confident he can at the very least get to the end of Stage 1. I'm more pissed they matched up Evan and Rich because I knew Rich wouldn't have had a chance being matched up with him. Plus Pat wasn't that far from the bell when he fell, should we shun Nagano because he fell 4 times before winning (Viking 2 -- he had a minute to climb just 10 meters but ran out of energy and just missed their buzzer) and then after he won had a near repeat of 12 during 23? Of course not. I hate how the viewers can never be sportsmanlike about it, only those who experience it. Brent and Shane had some choice words too, but do you really think they're going to let it be the reason they fall into the water? Adam L is a rookie and Rich's last attempt he failed the Log Grip (by all means I feel it was a fluke, but he had cleared the First Stage, no one expects you to fail the Log Grip after clearing -- just like no one expected Nagano to fail the Jumping Spider). Just try again next year if there's an ANW3.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 23, 2010 12:30:34 GMT -5
Actually I disagree that they will continue this further in this format.. Simply for a few reasons.. a LOT of people turned off ANW and kept it off. The will know the ratings soon enough but what you are hearing are the people who watched it and even then THEY didn't like it. If that is going to continue they have to change the format of ANW completely to get people to go back in and "try out" again. There's one thing to be controversial.. and another for people to HATE ANW... so far I can find few and far between the G4 apologists.. the rest are ticked this even happened at all. Personally they will see the ratings drop like a brick and make changes accordingly.. besides.. it's expensive to do boot again if no one wants to watch. That's just basic economics.
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Post by Straticus on Dec 23, 2010 13:53:08 GMT -5
Drama drama dramam, lol. Dang wish I could have watched these episodes, better yet actually have been in the bootcamp haha. I did hear back from the G4 person I emailed about the threads in the g4 forums. She said when ever they start to plan the next ANW they may have someone from their research team look at all was said. They said the show format will be based off of ratings / budgets, meh, no surprise there. Just hope who ever in their research team that looks at the threads actually puts the constructive stuff to good use.
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Post by quasikoz on Dec 23, 2010 14:22:04 GMT -5
Just to throw some 2 cents in here.
Back in the day, people on these boards seemed to like how things were handled in picking competitors for ANC2. It was basically a gauntlet of elimination-style obstacle courses where the slowest would be eliminated. No one thought it was perfect, but people were in agreement that it was the least FUBAR'ed way to pick a couple of kids to go to Japan.
Fast forward to today, and I see the Boot Camp just being a reality-TV version of ANC2. This not-yet-dead corpse has been picked to death about why it deserved to die but hopefully there can be some perspective here.
Americans don't deserve to go to Japan for Sasuke. The fact this opportunity exists is awesome. The fact this opportunity has gestated from an online fan vote to an actual boot camp is BEYOND AWESOME. The fact I'm hearing gripes about on-site Dell Taco food service means we have "arrived".
There will always be room for improvement. And until G4 wants to truly take the reigns of obstacle course-based TV, we'll have ANW shoe-horned into other genres of TV or jammed into other G4 shows.
Hopefully the money is there for this to continue next year. Hopefully there's so much money that some unenviable intern at G4 will be forced to read our sprawling complaints, take notes, and report back how to do a successful ANW.
Until that happens, you can call me a G4 apologist. But I'm just happy we have this opportunity. And if it's back in 2011, I hope to make the most of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 14:39:26 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen so much a*****es in one place, but the Ninja Warrior fan page on facebook.... I mean damn I've been to alot of places on the internet, I never thought that THIS would be the place where I'd fine alot of idiots, but wow.
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Post by chamo on Dec 23, 2010 14:51:02 GMT -5
I feel bad for Patrick, I think Rich just got eliminated from the flawed format and now Patrick has to take the brunt of the criticism from the show. I think Patrick deserved to make it over Adam (who if I remember correctly failed several of the obsacles.) Unfortuantely for Rich he was just stuck on the self proclaimed strongest team which in the end was his downfall.
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Post by bigblind168 on Dec 23, 2010 14:54:53 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen so much a*****es in one place, but the Ninja Warrior fan page on facebook.... I mean damn I've been to alot of places on the internet, I never thought that THIS would be the place where I'd fine alot of idiots, but wow. www.4chan.org/b/Anyway, yeah im kinda sick of the patrick hating, at the end didnt he say he would go, then the other dude told him "no i'll go"?
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Post by bigblind168 on Dec 23, 2010 14:56:07 GMT -5
I feel bad for Patrick, I think Rich just got eliminated from the flawed format and now Patrick has to take the brunt of the criticism from the show. I think Patrick deserved to make it over Adam (who if I remember correctly failed several of the obsacles.) Unfortuantely for Rich he was just stuck on the self proclaimed strongest team which in the end was his downfall. Well it was the strongest team. 3 Japan vets, 2 of which had gone to stage 2. I beleive Cloud was on that team, and he's been trying to get on Sasuke for a while. sadly, he was the 3rd best on the team. so he had to go
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Post by arsenette on Dec 23, 2010 15:13:48 GMT -5
G4 boards isn't doing so bad either on the Patrick hatin'. It's a firestorm in both areas. Personally I think G4 helped a lot in the controversy for even having that option. We were lucky that for the most part the rest of the group tried to not play into the game and keep it Sasuke based.. but in the end the option was there to save a teammate and that was done. I don't blame any of them involved.. I hate that G4 went in this direction in essence creating this disaster to happen. That said I hope everyone who ends up in Japan does well despite G4's blatant attempt to rewrite/replace/reinvent the Sasuke spirit here in the USA. It could have been a whole lot worse if a bunch of non-Sasuke fans were in this final.. that is what makes it so damn scary.
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 23, 2010 15:32:28 GMT -5
Sounds like ANW was more of a reality show instead of an athletic competition... Ding, ding, ding...this is the correct answer. The real shame about the selection is that those guys were put through that horsesh*t in the first place. Besides, who didn't do anything stupid and selfish when they were so young? I've never moved from my original opinion that G4 has no business sending ANY competitors to Sasuke (yes, I understand the financial aspects), but it seems like these competitions take one step forward and two steps back every..single.. time. Still, I bear the ANW team no ill will, and wish them success in the true spirit of Sasuke. What I think would be cool is for G4 to have another ANW competition, with the winner or winners to go to Japan to go head to head with Japanese qualifiers, with invitations to Sasuke being the big prize. But you know no teeeee-veeee network is going to lay out that kind of money without a shot at the big show. I look at it like this: Japan is a small country with far less people being given far more spots. Most of them are given automatic invites every single year no matter how poorly they do. Those that have to try out have a much less competitive much shorter try out process. We went through HELL to get into the top 10, and you think that after all that we should have to start out at the bottom again and try out all over again in Japan? That doesn't seem fair, and almost racist if you think about it. Honestly though. The Americans are so strong this year that if they did put us all in the Japanese trials everyone to make it through the Japanese trials would likely be American, so it would be unfair to the Japanese as well. Edit: nothing personal here and not meaning to call you a racist or anything LOL
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Post by quasikoz on Dec 23, 2010 15:44:16 GMT -5
BTW David, awesome job stepping up on Facebook to defend Patrick. There's valid points to both sides of that argument, but when it's just spewed hatred the message gets lost.
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 23, 2010 15:54:56 GMT -5
I'd like to say that Patrick is a cool kid in general. It's easy to let your emotions get the better of you and lose perspective and that's all that happened. He lost control of his emotions. Remember that he DID step up to the rope the first time. So let's not try to ruin this kid's life ok?
Also it was kind of built into the format for something like this to happen, and it was kind of bound to. As they say "don't hate the player, hate the game".
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Post by arsenette on Dec 23, 2010 15:58:52 GMT -5
Ding, ding, ding...this is the correct answer. The real shame about the selection is that those guys were put through that horsesh*t in the first place. Besides, who didn't do anything stupid and selfish when they were so young? I've never moved from my original opinion that G4 has no business sending ANY competitors to Sasuke (yes, I understand the financial aspects), but it seems like these competitions take one step forward and two steps back every..single.. time. Still, I bear the ANW team no ill will, and wish them success in the true spirit of Sasuke. What I think would be cool is for G4 to have another ANW competition, with the winner or winners to go to Japan to go head to head with Japanese qualifiers, with invitations to Sasuke being the big prize. But you know no teeeee-veeee network is going to lay out that kind of money without a shot at the big show. I look at it like this: Japan is a small country with far less people being given far more spots. Most of them are given automatic invites every single year no matter how poorly they do. Those that have to try out have a much less competitive much shorter try out process. We went through HELL to get into the top 10, and you think that after all that we should have to start out at the bottom again and try out all over again in Japan? That doesn't seem fair, and almost racist if you think about it. Honestly though. The Americans are so strong this year that if they did put us all in the Japanese trials everyone to make it through the Japanese trials would likely be American, so it would be unfair to the Japanese as well. Hmm. I disagree with that entire thought pattern that the Japanese get free shots. First and foremost.. they EARNED it. In my book Levi and Brian should NEVER have to fight for a spot. M9 automatically rewards those by giving automatic invites to those who have proven themselves in the first stage - regardless of race. It's called courtesy. Anyone wants to think that's racism needs to get a reality check. G4 has never used that though since they want to control all aspects of their "property". First and foremost this is a JAPANESE GAMESHOW... by prerequisite since it's a show in Japan about Japanese people it was a PRIVILEGE to be invited to be on the show if you were a foreigner. People here specifically have a strange entitlement thought pattern that infuriates me. Every single competitor that was invited to that show was because of the whims of a television executive who are making money to raise ratings in JAPAN. Plain and simple. IF they completed the first stage. .you came back. There's no argument.. they had the invite from M9. The ones who got automatic invites from the trials ALL came through trials and cleared the first stage. Those who didn't were sent back to Trials (if you don't believe me ask Yuuji and Koji). The ones who have done well and have garnered fanfare were invited back because of ratings. Comedians are shuffled every year depending on their fame. TBS has every right to invite who the heck they want. G4 went in various directions depending on their stock that year. As for strength that has always been used a tool to somehow advocate this racism rule. Previous years ANC guys sucked while trials guys reigned supreme. Next year after that the roles were reversed. Sometimes the all-stars did the beatdown and made it further than anyone. Sometimes an unknown with no ties to any other group came on top. It's all random. Do I believe Americans should be in Sasuke? Yes.. but it's a privilege to be on a Japanese game show as a guest. Right now G4 is holding TBS hostage dangling money to the point where we are falling into the trap and using the CONTESTANTS as villains. Follow the money and put the blame where it lies.. The contestants shouldn't be pitted against each other in that fashion. Plain and simple.. before G4 came around.. it was much simpler. You sent your ap and if TBS liked you .. you were picked. .if you did well you came back. I miss those days. Now it's "omg I deserve to be there".. uhm. no.
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 23, 2010 16:09:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah and even before this everyone on the Ninja Warrior Facebook have been reatarded. Just mindless and rude garbage. I pretty much never go on there.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 23, 2010 16:10:18 GMT -5
Oh yeah and even before this everyone on the Ninja Warrior Facebook have been reatarded. Just mindless and rude garbage. I pretty much never go on there. Agreed.. though TBS is hawking it big time in Japan.. not sure if it's a joke or not.. LOL
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Post by Lennon on Dec 23, 2010 16:28:38 GMT -5
Overall, this is definitely better than last year and the year before that. Yes, at first when I watched it. Without going off on anybody, I kinda didn't like the fact that Patrick didn't volunteer, but when I was doing some other things, I thought about it and realized in Patrick's shoes why he really wanted to go. Maybe he figured getting this far was a fluke to begin with, and who knows if there will be another ANW so he can go to Japan. Who knows if he'll even make it that far again. Getting that close to going, and then not making it. Especially if it's been your dream for the past 5 years. It's got to be hard on him. You know he had heart though when he broke down. He really really wanted to go to Japan, but at the same time. Didn't want one of his new buddies to take the bullet for him and not go with him. It was a tough decision. I could be wrong about this, but Rich didn't seem too concerned. He's gone twice, and he might figure he'll get another shot next year anyway. Of course, all this can easily skew my thinking by some simple editing tricks. XD
Either way, I'll probably be getting off the forums till the actual date of Sasuke. It's the best way I can think of watching Sasuke without any sort of spoilers.
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Post by xig28 on Dec 23, 2010 17:08:47 GMT -5
see this is why when i study abroad in japan for a year im just gonna sign up for sasuke over there. going through the whole g4 american version sounds like hell. i rather be invited by TBS/M9 themselfs then going through g4 cus im american(technically mexican/peruvian haha) but who knows the outcomes
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