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[intelligentinfer]

Is that Cliff Hanger crazy or what?

[lars072]

Mar 22, 2010 8:42:18 GMT -5 intelligentinfer said:

Is that Cliff Hanger crazy or what?

Maybe they'll name it "Cliff hanger Impossible!"

[Badalight]

Please put *spoilers* in the threads title. Thank you.

Yes it looks quite hard. I see 2 main difficulty points.

1. The first 2 ledges - What makes these hard is that they are angled backwards and will be a lot harder to hold onto that the flat ledges. Instead of " -- " you have " / "

2. The tiny ledge - Not only will jumping onto it require accuracy and strength to hold on, but once you're on that ledge the technique that most people used to beat the shin-cliffhanger will be useless. Your hands have to be together and there is no real room to move. This will screw up a lot of people's techniques. That and it's flat instead of being angled upwards.

Also the fact that it'll take about 3x as long to complete as the old one... meaning not only strength but endurance will play a HUGE factor. Perhaps people can do the parts individually... but all in sucession with no breaks? After 3 other obstacles and 2 other stages? It's a toughie.

Of course it's not impossible. We've seen Ryo do some crazy stuff with his cliff-hanger training, but I bet even if he got there he'd have problems beating it. That and there are plenty of obstacles afterwards you have to beat.

I just hope they don't make it insanely easier in 26. I know a lot of people were complaining that it was "impossible". I hope it stays the way it is. It's brutal... but still beatable.

[venomcarnage89]

I like it, looked crazy and overwhelming at first, but that was mostly due to the size increase(including that its connected to an entire wall), but that feeling has actually already dissipated for me already and now I can look at it for what it truely is. Its essentially an extra gap, and two angled pieces at the start. Still a very sweet upgrade and more drastic of an upgrade than I imagined it would be, but still very doable to me... IMO at least.

[artyfowljr]

Pretty much agreed with Venom. But yeah, it's crazy.

[wolf4537]

I can't believe how crazy it is. It makes the Shin Cliff hanger look like the easiest obstacle ever!

[jfeathe]

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Every Cliff Hanger in the past has been very straight-forward and the dimensions of the ledges have been proportional.

The reason this new Cliff Hanger looks so intimidating is because of the seemingly random placement of the ledges. The jumps don't look as far as the Shin-Cliffhanger's, but the 5th tiny ledge will be a problem.

The angled beginning looks tough and one person (competitor or not) failed early on it.

[VenusHeadTrap]

Mar 22, 2010 11:29:22 GMT -5 artyfowljr said:

Pretty much agreed with Venom. But yeah, it's crazy.

It makes me really happy

[yamfriend]

Just out of curiosity, can we PROVE that those first 2 ledges are in fact angled backwards or do they just SEEM that way? Who's not to say that they don't just look like #1 from the side instead of #2?

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[YoDaUO]

I still cant tell if that tiny ledge is just a shadow or part of the obstacle.

[venomcarnage89]

Mar 22, 2010 14:53:14 GMT -5 YoDaUO said:

I still cant tell if that tiny ledge is just a shadow or part of the obstacle.

Its definitely a ledge, I can see it clearly.

@ Yamfriend: Look at the obstacle clearly. On the far left and right, at the ends of the walls, you can see the tilting. Also look at the 6th ledge, the last one, you can see that it goes below the depth of the vertical wall, and it stays vertical, only that part with the ledge, you can see the left bottom corner just under the last ledge and how it sticks out a bit, bottom half is definitely angled backwards but it is not a very large angle by any means.

[YoDaUO]

Wow. You mean they have to make a jump on that little ledge and on the other one!? Or you could just jump over the whole thing i guess

[venomcarnage89]

Yup that looks to be the plan lol. I just tried it on my cliffhanger: jumping my big gap, then without moving my hands position, swinging and jumping as far as i can. Its not too bad, I actually made just under 3 ft distance on the close gripped jump first try and that was to a ledge that was the same height as the one on the show, not with a drop to help make it easier, so its definitely doable.

[YoDaUO]

I think the ledge got bigger. Theres definetly more to hang on to than before. That small ledge looks like its only like 2 cm, which is scaring me

[yamfriend]

Mar 22, 2010 16:10:17 GMT -5 venomcarnage89 said:

@ Yamfriend: Look at the obstacle clearly. On the far left and right, at the ends of the walls, you can see the tilting. Also look at the 6th ledge, the last one, you can see that it goes below the depth of the vertical wall, and it stays vertical, only that part with the ledge, you can see the left bottom corner just under the last ledge and how it sticks out a bit, bottom half is definitely angled backwards but it is not a very large angle by any means.

I think you're misinterpreting what I said. I'm simply trying to say that although the wall that the first 2 sections are on is in fact angled slightly backwards, the ledges could still be flat. In other words, if you looked at it from the side, it would look flat (i.e. the part that you'd hang on to would be more like a trapezoid that meets with the wall instead of a rectangle).

I'd try to post a picture of what I mean, but it's too confusing for me to draw on Paint, plus I'm getting too tired to think.

[Badalight]

Mar 22, 2010 21:39:55 GMT -5 yamfriend said:

Mar 22, 2010 16:10:17 GMT -5 venomcarnage89 said:

@ Yamfriend: Look at the obstacle clearly. On the far left and right, at the ends of the walls, you can see the tilting. Also look at the 6th ledge, the last one, you can see that it goes below the depth of the vertical wall, and it stays vertical, only that part with the ledge, you can see the left bottom corner just under the last ledge and how it sticks out a bit, bottom half is definitely angled backwards but it is not a very large angle by any means.

I think you're misinterpreting what I said. I'm simply trying to say that although the wall that the first 2 sections are on is in fact angled slightly backwards, the ledges could still be flat. In other words, if you looked at it from the side, it would look flat (i.e. the part that you'd hang on to would be more like a trapezoid that meets with the wall instead of a rectangle).

I'd try to post a picture of what I mean, but it's too confusing for me to draw on Paint, plus I'm getting too tired to think.

It's possible, but I highly doubt it.

[RiderLeangle]

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Just want to point this out.. If that was the case about those first two ledges.. wouldn't it have a backboard like the last visible ledge in the commercial?

[lars072]

We really won't know if it is impossible or not for a while until a few people try it. A lot of people thought the Salmon Ladder was impossible in 18 before Nagano, Kenji and Shunsuke destroyed it. Same with the shin CH until 21 when Nagano and Takeda showed everyone the right technique to beat it. So we'll see...

But I will say this- it may not be impossible to beat it but highly improbable (after 2 stages and obstacles beforehand).

[artyfowljr]

I do hope the first two ledges are flat, otherwise IMO the competitors are screwed. Plain and simple.

[SRW]

Mar 23, 2010 5:34:45 GMT -5 artyfowljr said:

I do hope the first two ledges are flat, otherwise IMO the competitors are screwed. Plain and simple.

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They are totally screwed then because those first two ledges are NOT flat 100% the whole bottom half is inclined.