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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 25, 2010 16:40:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure having celebs in anything makes people who otherwise wouldn't give a crap about the show tune in. I'd still rather there be more real competitors than celebs and jokers.
And I'd hardly compare Jim Carrey to some guy who thinks he looks like Kieffer Sutherland.
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Post by VxJasonxV on Jan 25, 2010 18:51:32 GMT -5
His schtick isn't one of a look-a-like :/. And why not compare them? Mr. Bauwah (as opposed to Mr. Bauer?  ) impersonates Jack Bauer. And Jim Carrey impersonated Andy Truman. What's the difference? (And don't give me that "one's real, one's fake..." nonsense. KEIFER SUTHERLAND IS A REAL HUMAN BEING! GEEZ!  ) Back on topic, and I'm sure I'm beating this horse to death. We understand your point, David... we just don't think it'll ever be that way  . Personally, I too like the comedic relief leading up to the serious business in successive stages. I certainly understand your want for a 90%+ skill competition. But... sorry? We hope you enjoy ANW2 and all successive iterations thereof. That's probably all there is to say. |
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 26, 2010 4:05:02 GMT -5
What I meant about the comparison to Jim Carey was the level of fame. Someone like Jim Carey or Anjelina Jolie showing up at ANW would spike the ratings big time, I doubt the Jack Baur impersonator would have anything close to the effect of an A list celeb.
My original point that has totally become lost now, was in relation to people complaining about a few extra Americans on the course. And I was saying that at least they care about and train for the show, whereas most of the 50 or so joke competitors probably don't, but nobody complains about them taking up spots. Also I never said 90%, I enjoy many of the joke competitors, mostly the ones that seem to care about it like Octopus Man.
I never said to get rid of the joke competitors, I'm saying that the Americans all really want to be there and work hard for it and to say they shouldn't be there but not say the same thing about many of the trow-away, joke, non momorable competitos just seems racist to me.
If there were some Chinese TV station sending over contestans I doubt most of the people that complain about the Americans would say much, because they look Japanese.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 26, 2010 5:33:57 GMT -5
What I meant about the comparison to Jim Carey was the level of fame. Someone like Jim Carey or Anjelina Jolie showing up at ANW would spike the ratings big time, I doubt the Jack Baur impersonator would have anything close to the effect of an A list celeb. My original point that has totally become lost now, was in relation to people complaining about a few extra Americans on the course. And I was saying that at least they care about and train for the show, whereas most of the 50 or so joke competitors probably don't, but nobody complains about them taking up spots. Also I never said 90%, I enjoy many of the joke competitors, mostly the ones that seem to care about it like Octopus Man. I never said to get rid of the joke competitors, I'm saying that the Americans all really want to be there and work hard for it and to say they shouldn't be there but not say the same thing about many of the trow-away, joke, non momorable competitos just seems racist to me. If there were some Chinese TV station sending over contestans I doubt most of the people that complain about the Americans would say much, because they look Japanese. In response to some of your comments... From reading some comments ahead of #23, it seemed to me that some of the American competitors were not taking SASUKE seriously. I mean, come on- if you are getting drunk the night before or are hung over during your run, that is NOT taking it seriously. I also think that doing a cartwheel in the water after your run, 360-degree flips all over the course, and competing in your underwear are not showing that yu take SASUKE or the host country seriously. And one more thing, Japanese and Chinese do not look or sound anything alike. Just my take on things anyways... |
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 26, 2010 9:34:57 GMT -5
...... but putting that aside, it makes sence. G4 probably spends more money promoting the show than TBS spends making and promoting it put together (when you factor in buying it from TBS, advertising, travel expenses, producing ANW, licencing the rights to make ANW, etc.). Also they show it year round to a much bigger audience here in America than exists in Japan. So it makes sence for G4 to send an American team to raise American viewership for Sasuke and ANW and help get a return on their investment. And yeah I can already hear you talking about how it's a Japanese show and if it doesn't get Japanese viewership it will get cancelled. But sending some extra Americans (who get fast forwarded in the Japanese boadcast anyway) isn't going to make that happen. Besides with all the foriegn money coming in through G4, they would probably keep making the show even if it didn't even air in Japan (because they'd lose a ton of money if they didn't). So to condense my point here. Yeah since America is pumping so much money into the show they should get to send some competitors. ...... And like you said, it isn't the Olympics, it's a tv show. Err...i dunno about the exact financial figures of G4 or TBS ...anyone here care to enlighten me? Anyway...this is easy...if G4 feels "short-changed" or being unfairly treated considering the amount of money they give to TBS, they could easily have stopped doing so, start a "ANW" show to rival Sasuke. G4 will then have 100% control of the show, the rules, the game, the contestants. They can promote their own show & still SAVES a ton of money in the process. Baffles me why G4 is not doing it...wait...who knows? Maybe they are planning to do so. American game shows are shown around the world. G4 will be able to make more money licensing it out to the rest of the world. Hey, look at Survivor. Wait...since so many countries around the world pay good money for airing American game shows...how about having...? never mind, you get the idea.  |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 27, 2010 5:32:01 GMT -5
There are two things I feel need to be said:
(1) Competiting on Sasuke in really tacky underwear is a long-standing tradition, so classifying it as "not taking it seriously" seems unfair.
(2) There aren't many successful "American game shows" from the last 11 years that weren't bought from a production company in another country. A short list of these "not originally from the U.S." shows would include Survivor, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, Deal or no Deal, and even potential future shows like The Cube (filming a U.S. pilot on the British set this week, if I'm not mistaken). Going shopping for shows that have proven successful in foreign markets has been rather common for U.S. networks looking for game shows as of late.
There's a number of benefits to having an essentially ready-made game show, and a lot of them are the avoidance of the complaints people had with ANW. (2 paragraph rant about it being cheaper and better for ratings for G4 to buy the rights to Solitary than making a complete ANW removed for on-topic-ness.)
Yay for Sasuke 25... I can't wait!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 1, 2010 20:01:03 GMT -5
I made a clear point in opposition to a negative comment "those American-type shows" of which an inaccurate example was given. I went on to point out the recognition to which a number of television networks in the United States have come that there are solid game shows in other countries that could be successful in United States telelvision markets.
If you are going to respond, please do so in a less condescending manner. Those 5 smileys fail to contribute to the conversation.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Feb 4, 2010 19:35:29 GMT -5
I would have mixed feelings if G4 never showed up again. I'd be happy not to have 10 ANW guys show up and the usual fanfare that G4 brings with them to Japan. But I'd also feel bad for the guys like Levi and David C who train so hard to get on SASUKE. Hopefully M9 get their heads out of their a$$es and figure out a solution that will please everyone. Levi has already gone 4 times, if I sympathize with any american ninja warriors it ain't him. I believe the amount of representatives america can bring is up to M9 themselves, I think for ANW 2 there will be 5 or 6 open spots. and M9's heads are pretty much where they should be, its up to us (or them, G4) to improve their ways. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 4, 2010 23:33:30 GMT -5
I'm interested in what direction they end up going (meaning G4) only because of the most recent announcement that ANW was slated for the fall. Now I'm not so sure as time goes on that they will have ANW for Sasuke 25... Or.. they could do the exact same thing they did the last time.. leave it to the last possible second because they suck at planning |
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Feb 5, 2010 3:34:31 GMT -5
I'm interested in what direction they end up going (meaning G4) only because of the most recent announcement that ANW was slated for the fall. Now I'm not so sure as time goes on that they will have ANW for Sasuke 25... Or.. they could do the exact same thing they did the last time.. leave it to the last possible second because they suck at planning Giving your representatives the pass on 2 tournaments in a row? There is no cool way to recover from that. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 5, 2010 4:14:41 GMT -5
We have no idea what G4 has up their sleeve so we have to wait and see and no I don't put it past them to do ANW for the fall (taping summer) and just sending the 3 that were invited previously for 24.. Levi, Brian and Rich. It is conceivable if they are not ready for ANW just yet. The longer they delay the announcement for ANW the more inclined I am to think they are not ready and are just going to wait until 23 and 24 airs to get people to do 26.
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Post by jfeathe on Feb 5, 2010 8:46:06 GMT -5
The thing is, G4 takes FOREVER to get moving on things like this. They aren't moving until they are sure they can make money. This includes getting sponsors etc.
G4 is also notorious for announcing events literally 4 or 5 months in advance. I would think if they were doing ANW for 25, they would have announced it in early January.
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Post by awee1975 on Feb 5, 2010 11:09:54 GMT -5
I made a clear point in opposition to a negative comment "those American-type shows" of which an inaccurate example was given. I went on to point out the recognition to which a number of television networks in the United States have come that there are solid game shows in other countries that could be successful in United States telelvision markets. If you are going to respond, please do so in a less condescending manner. Those 5 smileys fail to contribute to the conversation. Sincere Apologies if any offence was caused. I didn't realise the sensitive nature of the subject. Condescending? I didn't mean to be but if that was how it felt then i am sorry. I will take the post down then.  |
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Post by baronbk on Feb 5, 2010 11:12:40 GMT -5
David brought up a good point the other day; maybe G4 is just waiting for M9 to set a date before they do.
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Post by arsenette on Feb 5, 2010 15:54:15 GMT -5
They shouldn't be only because the floating dates are never more than 1-2 weeks separated. If they waited for M9 and TBS to make a final date they'd be SOL every single tourney.. the dates sometime change a couple weeks before the event! One time it was changed 10 days before it. G4 won't wait for that. M9 gives them a month or tentative dates. It's up to G4 to do something about it with the revolving date. I think it has to do with sponsorship money to pay for ANW IMO this time.
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Post by arsenette on Feb 18, 2010 6:11:12 GMT -5
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) impersonates Jack Bauer. And Jim Carrey impersonated Andy Truman. What's the difference?
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