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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 21, 2010 15:56:20 GMT -5
Google:"So next SASUKE is completely renewed every area! SASUKE SASUKE new level of difficulty of the dog that has ever played! Raise the bid history to win the 4 th!" Babelfish:"Then as for next SASUKE all areas complete [riniyuaru]!! Controlling new SASUKE of the degree of highest difficulty in SASUKE history as expected!? Increase the self-introduction to the conquest person of 4 public attention in histories!" So I think it's sayin: complete course redesign, will be the hardest ever and whoever want's to be the 4th winner will have to either have an ebay account or brag a lot?
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 21, 2010 15:59:21 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and it looks like this years announcement came a week earlier than last years at this time. Wonder if the air date will be earlier as well?
What are the usual times between TBS's announcement and G4's, anyone?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 21, 2010 16:16:33 GMT -5
Date wise I think it's a little early because we already knew it was coming (with the end of Sasuke 24) so they just put it up there since I'm sure they were already getting applications. M9 always has their address on there and even on the Sasuke Mania site (and the previous TBS sites they used) they always had the perpetual invite.
February is going to be a busy month for TBS and all the other Japanese TV stations with the Olympics so getting that out earlier (especially with the caution to foreign invites) is probably just something they wanted to get out and over with. We still don't know if they plan on recording early or not.
As for G4 it's hard to say what they are going to do. We are not sure how much money they got from ANW since they were heavily invested in that venture and most of the public perception (at least the ones I read on their own website - not the hardcore fans) was not positive due to G4 preempting 23 because of it. Given that the economy has not been kind to anyone we could theoretically believe that G4 might not have the capital to invest in another ANW just yet. If that's the case.. it might cause problems with any announcement if they plan to have one. They should at least mention something but then again it's been uber quiet on G4's end for about 3 months now. Maybe you can find something out?
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 22, 2010 0:35:18 GMT -5
Everything I've heard from G4 has strongly implied that they have every intention of holding an ANW for Sasuke 25. So I'm pretty much planning on a trip to LA in late Feb / early March.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 22, 2010 0:37:15 GMT -5
I would have mixed feelings if G4 never showed up again. I'd be happy not to have 10 ANW guys show up and the usual fanfare that G4 brings with them to Japan. But I'd also feel bad for the guys like Levi and David C who train so hard to get on SASUKE. Hopefully M9 get their heads out of their a$$es and figure out a solution that will please everyone.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 22, 2010 0:59:22 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone would have a problem with 10 serious competitors from America that trained hard and earned a spot in tryouts going to Japan. What bothers me is all the idiots that don't even train for Sasuke but get to go on because...well who knows why, only to fall in the water off the first step.....why even go on the show when you're just going to fall in the water .5 seconds after the starting chime? These people were allowed on while numerous serious would-be contestents around the world who were willing to pay their own way (including myself) were turned away in Sasuke 24....and 23 as well actually.
Also the deal G4 has worked out with TBS for sending 10 Americans doesn't take away from the usual number of lame Japanese joke competitors anyway. Most of the extra Americans aren't given numbers and as such they are in addition to the usual 100. I think in Sasuke 23 they had 107 competitors or something?
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Post by lars072 on Jan 22, 2010 1:07:07 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone would have a problem with 10 serious competitors from America that trained hard and earned a spot in tryouts going to Japan. What bothers me is all the idiots that don't even train for Sasuke but get to go on because...well who knows why, only to fall in the water off the first step.....why even go on the show when you're just going to fall in the water .5 seconds after the starting chime? These people were allowed on while numerous serious would-be contestents around the world who were willing to pay their own way (including myself) were turned away in Sasuke 24....and 23 as well actually. Also the deal G4 has worked out with TBS for sending 10 Americans doesn't take away from the usual number of lame Japanese joke competitors anyway. Most of the extra Americans aren't given numbers and as such they are in addition to the usual 100. I think in Sasuke 23 they had 107 competitors or something? The problem isn't 10 serious competitors from America, the problem is with the TV station who sends them and all the BS they bring with it. I also think that there are serious competitors from other countries who would like to enter but aren't able to. TBS/M9 need to get their act together as well and having foreigners go through their local TV stations is pure and simple BS knowing that G4 is really the only one who curently does it outside Japan (now that JET TV is out of the running). TBS will always have Japanese joke competitors because that's what people like there- no matter what we do or say that will never change. We'll see what happens in #25 but if G4 sends 10 competitors and no other foreigners are able to attend, then that is wrong IMO.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 22, 2010 1:07:19 GMT -5
Like seriously, if you could only pick one, who's run would you rather have seen in Sasuke 24. Some guy that is supposed to look like Keifer Southerland.....but doesn't......like not at all....not even in the slightest, and then falls within 10 seconds, or Shane Daniels, or any of the other Americans who actually had a chance of passing stage 1?
Edit: this isn't a responce to Lars' comment
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Post by lars072 on Jan 22, 2010 1:14:35 GMT -5
Like seriously, if you could only pick one, who's run would you rather have seen in Sasuke 24. Some guy that is supposed to look like Keifer Southerland.....but doesn't......like not at all....not even in the slightest, and then falls within 10 seconds, or Shane Daniels, or any of the other Americans who actually had a chance of passing stage 1? Edit: this isn't a responce to Lars' comment Well, TBS has always shown joke competitors as well as the serious ones- it's all part of the show and getting ratings. Remember, Japanese make or break the show and not you or me. But I would have liked to seen more runs from the decent competitors but they cut or digest who they like and always have. Heck, they have even cut entire runs of Japanese guys who usually do very well- Shinji and Kenji as examples. I'm all for spending more time on serious competitors and less on the crap ones, but that won't change. Where I have the problem is how the G4 'Americans' are able to constitute 10% of the field where other people from otehr countries aen't even able to apply because of the new, ridiculous M9 rules.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 22, 2010 1:19:57 GMT -5
By the way David, I think I speak for everyone when I say that we all appreciate how hard you guys train for SASUKE and just in general. We have enjoyed watching your submission vids and runs and hope that you can take on the course again. Having said that, some of the things that have come out of the ANW comps. and on SASUKE in Japan have been, well, in bad taste so to speak.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 22, 2010 1:31:45 GMT -5
if G4 sends 10 competitors and no other foreigners are able to attend, then that is wrong IMO. Well I can't argue with your logic, I guess we're just lucky that we have G4 here in the US? You can't really blame G4 for a TV station in the UK not being interested in sending someone. A lot of people assume G4 forced Monster 9 or TBS to close woldwide foreign applications, but we don't know how or why this happened or whos idea it was. I know that when I was in Japan the Monster 9 and TBS people were the ones calling the shots and telling the G4 people how it was going to be. So?? We are very lucky to have 10 paid spots here in America, but if G4 only sent 3 next time, that wouldn't change anything for anyone else in any other country. It would just be 7 less people at Sasuke. As was evident by Sasuke 24 when G4 sent 0 people. Really what needs to happen, is for Monster 9 to start accepting foreign applications regardless of whether or not G4 is sending however many Americans. For now though, if I was in a foreign country, I'd just bug the crap out of my local TV/cable provider, get email address's of producers and whatnot.
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Post by supersheep on Jan 22, 2010 1:32:39 GMT -5
As much as I would enjoy seeing 100 serious competitors and all the top guys from around the world, it just isn't possible. I find this problem when making a Sim Sasuke tournament. Since my competitor list is WAY stronger than anything you'll ever see in real Sasuke, on a normal course you'll easily see 20+ clears, on a easier course you'll easily see 40+ clears. If you all have ever seen Sasuke 4's broadcast where 37 cleared, you'd know that there were guys that cleared stage 1 that were never even seen on camera, I don't think thats fair. Aside from providing entertainment and laughs to the Japanese viewers, it also keeps the show from dragging on forever. Unfortunately, time restraints only allow for so many serious competitors unless they want to make the course close to impossible, make the show 6 hours, or cut/digest pretty much all of stage 1. I'm not a huge fan of any of those alternatives.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 22, 2010 1:37:24 GMT -5
Heh, you know in all the paperwork and rules they had me read and sign for ANW, I don't remember anything saying you had to be a US citizen.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 22, 2010 1:56:37 GMT -5
Back to the subject of whether or not there will be an ANW for Sasuke 25. Here is a snippet from a letter I recieved from G4 after telling them that I'd be willing to pay my own way to Sasuke 24:
"On the other hand, we hope to bring back American Ninja Warrior in the spring and have tryouts for Sasuke 25. We'll certainly keep you posted on that and, if it comes to pass, hope you will still want to come down and tryout."
We've emailed back and forth a couple times after this about a seperate subject, and everything I've heard makes it sound like they're still on track for that.
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Post by wolf4537 on Jan 22, 2010 2:13:43 GMT -5
This is going to be great. Unfortunately I'm still not 21 yet but at least that gives me a lot of time to get in shape Still, I can't wait for Sasuke 25
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 22, 2010 3:35:09 GMT -5
What bothers me is all the idiots that don't even train for Sasuke but get to go on because...well who knows why, only to fall in the water off the first step.....why even go on the show when you're just going to fall in the water .5 seconds after the starting chime? These people were allowed on while numerous serious would-be contestents around the world who were willing to pay their own way (including myself) were turned away in Sasuke 24....and 23 as well actually. ... lame Japanese joke competitors... David Campbell, warning: long reply below: 1. Personally i understand & appreciate how hard you & other guys have trained for the show. I will not undermine your sincere efforts in anyway. . I hope i do not cause you any offence if my language is too impolite later...i am not a good communicator...
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Post by awee1975 on Jan 22, 2010 4:14:19 GMT -5
2. As for the reason, i believe you need to look at it differently with a different angle. This is not the usual competitive sport like Basketball...etc. The way Ninja Warrior ( G4 ) hype it & i see the way many serious guys like you see it as a "serious" sport. This is "just" a TV "game show" for entertainment value & TV ratings. The ONLY major difference between Sasuke & other game show is that is INCREDIBILY TOUGH compared to other shows. Well harder than say..."The Amazing Race" or "Wheel of Fortune" or something like that, you get the idea. 3. If the producers intended Sasuke to be like a usual "serious" competitive pro sport, they would have done it the way G4 done it. Hold trials everywhere, get the best 10 of every continent like a World Championship or Olympics. The best 100 competitors around the world. 4. Alternatively, they could just take an easier way...invite 100 TOP PROFESSIONAL SUPER-FIT WORLD ATHLETES. Many of these top sportsmen may only find the Shin-Cliff impossible without additional special training. World Class Gymnasts will be able to do well in the course. 5. Sasuke is held 1~3 times a year. MAJORITY of the viewers are NOT hard-core serious fans like some of us here. They watch it if it was fun with comedians, entertainers, celebrities, Mr. Octopus / mr. Hang Glider. If sasuke was ONLY about serious competitors, the viewership will drop. 6. Besides imagine if 60 cleared the 1st stage, 40 the 2nd stage, 20 guys reached the final, 8 won. What will M9 do? Keep making it harder after every tournament ? Chose the winner with the fastest time? It will be a very different Sasuke. 7. If you compare G4's "Ninja Warrior" & TBS "Sasuke", you will find the Americans prefer to focus on the competition & performance - eg. "Last man standing". Someone in this forum ( forgot who ) complained that Sasuke was too slow & the extra clips & music killed the flow or rhythm. However, the TBS version is more about the DRAMA & COMPETITORS. That is why they focused on Competitors lives outside Sasuke, their career, their families etc. Will a NBA game show Kobe Bryant's personal life? Yamada, Akiyama, Shingo will never even have qualified if based purely on recent performance. It is about the "man on the street" / "regular Joe". 8. The producers is of a different mentality & an approach from your "sport" perspective. Ironically, Sasuke is a victim of it's success. It is so bloody tough & difficult that it attracts fanatics who want to take on the "challenge" ( eg. you & others ). You guys are even willing to pay your way, take part & most probably get no financial reward for it. I understand it is probably the "challenge" that attracts the serious competitors. Sasuke along the way has changed. They didn't hold trials in the beginning years, they are doing it now but it costs them more money to do so. 9. Even if TBS/ M9 decides to change ( unlikely ), they have to consider how to make this financially viable. Besides, they are a TV station & game show producers respectatively, i don't think they want to be a sports federation or something. EDIT: 10. So i hope you understand why they have lame joke competitors while you have to try so hard to get on the show. Hope my lengthy reply & language is CLEAR & not offensive.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jan 22, 2010 4:49:48 GMT -5
You really don't need to worry about offending me, for the most part.
And yes I even like some of the joke competitors myself, but I was really just making a point about Americans "taking up too many spots". I'm not advocating getting rid of all the joke/celebrity competitors, I'm just saying that if you want to complain about anyone "taking up spots" it should be some of the 50+ competitors that don't really preactice for, care about, or take the show seriously.
I WOULD personally like to see less joke competitors though (if it meant more slots for real competitors that care about the show, mainly because it means more to them then it does for MOST of the joke competitors), like how many times do we need to see "Obama" fail the log grip?
I'd never want them all gone though, it would take away from the kooky spirit of the show.
So I get what you're saying and I agree, but at the same time, it's sad when someone who trains all the time, builds obstacles and really really wants to go can't, but some idiot that doesn't even care or try gets an invite just for the heck of it.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 22, 2010 7:27:21 GMT -5
I'm waiting to hear from Arsenette on this topic... ;D
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Post by venomcarnage89 on Jan 22, 2010 7:38:29 GMT -5
I agree David. I've thought that for awhile now, like in Sasuke 22, they showed that Yuuji barely made the trials to get into the show, and had failed previously if i remember correctly. He is Japanese, and even then he couldnt get on the show too easily, makes me wonder how the joke competitors get on the show so easily anyway. I do a gree that there should always be some available slots for joke competitors because it provides comic relief and more importantly can help take the pressure off the competitors for a little while, but the ratio of skilled competitors vs. joke contestants should tilt more towards the skilled competitors in my opinion and not be so close to 50/50 which it seems to be when i watch it.
Ive never tried to get on the show before, Sasuke 25 will be my first attempt to get on, but im not looking forward to having to go through G4 after whati hear about them on here. I do have a question about ANW, how do you get onto that, because i watched it and cannot recall hearing how the contestants got on, it almost seemed to me like they just showed up. Thanks ahead of time for an answer, and to David Campbell, i hope to see you at ANW, ive always enjoyed you on Sasuke and ANW.
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