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Post by ansem120 on Jan 8, 2010 16:27:35 GMT -5
Whatever number he gets in this tournament he'll have 100 by the next tournament I don't think I can agree with that. I agree with BLM, I see it being Nagano at #98, Okuyama at #99, and then Yuuji at #100 in 25. And, if that happens, he would have to post an impressive finish in order to get past not one, but two very strong competitors.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 8, 2010 17:37:43 GMT -5
If M9/TBS gets to chose the numbers (meaning there isn't a race or something), then Nagano will get 99. The guy was the last man standing in 3 out of 7 Shin-SASUKE tournaments. The guy has proven that he is always a threat, no matter how old or how hard the course might get.
Plus, with Nagano at 99, TBS can always play up the whole "New Stars vs. All Stars" theme and this time add in "vs. course" with the new overhaul.
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Post by ansem120 on Jan 8, 2010 21:52:52 GMT -5
Plus, with Nagano at 99, TBS can always play up the whole "New Stars vs. All Stars" theme and this time add in "vs. course" with the new overhaul. Is that even a viable marketing campaign anymore? Yamada's "Retired," Akiyama and Shiratori barely compete anymore, and Yamamoto is so inconsistant it's not even funny. Also, has TBS (or anyone for that matter) actually said who is in the "New Stars" category? You would have to think Kanno and Urushihara are locks, but who else? Enchi? Okuyama? Kongu? Who exactly are the All-Stars competing against?
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Post by arsenette on Jan 8, 2010 23:30:07 GMT -5
Leave it to TBS to invent a rivalry out of thin air Even when it doesn't make sense .. LOL Heck it could be as simple as "Heroes vs. New Generation" with what's left of the All-Stars + guys like Kongo, etc. that have been there since Moses.. vs. Yuuji led New Generation. They can also do Pre Shin vs. Shin Sasuke stars vs. Modern era (meaning old stars of Pre Shin generation and new stars of the Shin generation) vs the new course.
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Post by lars072 on Jan 9, 2010 22:21:06 GMT -5
Plus, with Nagano at 99, TBS can always play up the whole "New Stars vs. All Stars" theme and this time add in "vs. course" with the new overhaul. Is that even a viable marketing campaign anymore? Yamada's "Retired," Akiyama and Shiratori barely compete anymore, and Yamamoto is so inconsistant it's not even funny. Also, has TBS (or anyone for that matter) actually said who is in the "New Stars" category? You would have to think Kanno and Urushihara are locks, but who else? Enchi? Okuyama? Kongu? Who exactly are the All-Stars competing against? How are Kenji, Lee and Okuyama "new stars?" They are in their 30s with Okuyama almost 40? Ehy not just frget about this whole new vs. allstars and just have a stars vs. new course. Everyone tries to defeat the new course together!
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 9, 2010 23:08:10 GMT -5
If the all stars were in their 20s they would be so beast it wouldnt even be funny. Especially nagano.
I agree with you lars. Okuyama is too old. Enchei is getting there, Kenji might still have a chance.
I still think Nagano should be #100 for 25. He is better than Urijawhateverhisnameis. Takeda however will sink down to like 90. Okuyama will be 98. Rest of tje finalist will be in the 90s.
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Post by ansem120 on Jan 9, 2010 23:25:24 GMT -5
Is that even a viable marketing campaign anymore? Yamada's "Retired," Akiyama and Shiratori barely compete anymore, and Yamamoto is so inconsistant it's not even funny. Also, has TBS (or anyone for that matter) actually said who is in the "New Stars" category? You would have to think Kanno and Urushihara are locks, but who else? Enchi? Okuyama? Kongu? Who exactly are the All-Stars competing against? How are Kenji, Lee and Okuyama "new stars?" They are in their 30s with Okuyama almost 40? They would be New Stars considering they became real threats in the Shin-SASUKE Era. (Yeah, I know Kongu was around before, but I'm reaching here.) What I'm saying is, if you don't count those guys, who do you pick?
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Post by rodprime79 on Jan 10, 2010 1:04:13 GMT -5
How about if they did the unthinkable and not have give any numbers?
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Post by jfeathe on Jan 10, 2010 20:56:18 GMT -5
I say give 24's 5 finalists 96-100 with Yuuji as the big #100.
Nagano should not be in the 90s this time. If he does well in 25, (especially if he makes it the furthest,) 99 or even 100 will be fine with me.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jan 10, 2010 21:20:28 GMT -5
How about if they did the unthinkable and not have give any numbers? Theyd still ahve a list order, no numbers would be ahnded out, but itd be known that say... octopus is number 23 and kanno is number 92 or something like that
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jan 10, 2010 21:20:32 GMT -5
I think Nagano should definitely be in the 90s. As the second champion and leader of the All-Stars (not to mention his overall record in Shin-SASUKE).
In terms of who the "New Stars" are. Yuuji and Kanno are the only official members, but I think that group will grow to include people like Hashimoto, Tajima, and Sato Jun. Basically the new stars should represent the new generation so guys like Okuyama, Kongu, and Lee belong in the same group as past strong competitors like Koji, Nagasaki, and Shinji.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jan 10, 2010 21:23:23 GMT -5
I wouldnt put Kongu in the new stars group. mostly because he's been in SASUKE 5,6,7(cliff hnager fail) and SASUKE 16 (other cliff hanger fail). now yes hes come into his prime in Shin-Sasuke, but personally, I think the New Stars should be people who ahve only had success in shin sasuke.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 11, 2010 8:39:56 GMT -5
How about if they did the unthinkable and not have give any numbers? Eh.. kinda defeats the purpose of the first 24 Sasuke's.. there has to be some continuity to the original 13 years...
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Post by FAMAS on Jan 11, 2010 14:25:47 GMT -5
Is that even a viable marketing campaign anymore? Yamada's "Retired," Akiyama and Shiratori barely compete anymore, and Yamamoto is so inconsistant it's not even funny. Also, has TBS (or anyone for that matter) actually said who is in the "New Stars" category? You would have to think Kanno and Urushihara are locks, but who else? Enchi? Okuyama? Kongu? Who exactly are the All-Stars competing against? How are Kenji, Lee and Okuyama "new stars?" They are in their 30s with Okuyama almost 40? Ehy not just frget about this whole new vs. allstars and just have a stars vs. new course. Everyone tries to defeat the new course together! Yuuji is a new star and he is in his 30's.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 11, 2010 14:42:14 GMT -5
Well to be fair Kenji and Okuyama have been in Sasuke for a hell of a longer time than Yuuji has.. so I don't believe age should even factor in what they consider "new".
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Post by yamfriend on Jan 11, 2010 17:05:10 GMT -5
Well to be fair Kenji and Okuyama have been in Sasuke for a hell of a longer time than Yuuji has.. so I don't believe age should even factor in what they consider "new". I agree with you, arsenette. Also, keep in mind that a few of the original 6 All-Stars were around Kongu's and Okuyama's age when they officially became All-Stars (i.e. prior to Sasuke 14, which was only about 5 years ago). Therefore, the "New-Stars" could be of any age in theory as long as they are consistent in doing well on the course.
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Post by YoDaUO on Jan 11, 2010 17:20:28 GMT -5
Bumpei shiratori became an all star at 36. I do think Okuyama is a bit too old. Kenji can still be all star though. I dont think age should matter a whole lot. The older guys are more experienced and more skilled.
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Post by quasikoz on Jan 11, 2010 20:23:41 GMT -5
Kenji is in the so-close-but-not-really-stars club with Kobayashi, Koji Yamada, and Nagasaki.
New stars to me are Yuuji, Kanno and Okuyama for sure.
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Post by Zorn on Jan 11, 2010 21:40:41 GMT -5
I think Takahashi and Okuyama should form their own group separate from the all stars and new stars.
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Post by rodprime79 on Jan 11, 2010 23:13:45 GMT -5
How about if they did the unthinkable and not have give any numbers? Eh.. kinda defeats the purpose of the first 24 Sasuke's.. there has to be some continuity to the original 13 years... Well, I was just thinking that they might pull a Kunoichi (6 and 8). Hopefully that won't be the case.
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