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Post by chackpop on Sept 28, 2009 11:48:18 GMT -5
Seeing how devastating the Slider Jump was in 22, what were did you think when you saw over 20 people easily get past it?
Only like three or four people failed. A few others timed out on it.
Do you think this change was a good thing?
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Post by Gavo on Sept 28, 2009 12:22:28 GMT -5
All I can say is they ruined it. I wouldn't be shocked if it's gone for 24.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 28, 2009 12:25:30 GMT -5
I still like the slider jump. They did move it a little forward from what I hear (not too much but just enough to get it back into some people's reach) but still is difficult. Just because there were more clears doesn't mean that it was "too" easy. I get pissed when people think that. The competitors today are a LOT More prepared and since we've already seen it once I'm sure there were a lot of people creating replicas and training at home for it.
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Post by quasikoz on Sept 28, 2009 13:44:46 GMT -5
I like the obstacle. It's an awkward jump from the bar to the net so it'll definitely stay. The way people feared it initially should keep it around for a long time. It does remind me of a nastier version of the old Jump Hang so maybe that's just me, but I don't see the Slider Jump going anytime soon.
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Post by supersheep on Sept 28, 2009 13:59:28 GMT -5
We'll find out when we see the rating in the next few days. This definately had more of an old Sasuke feel to it, like Sasuke 14 or 16. If ratings go up, we might be seeing more of this in the future, if not, we'll probably be back to 7> clears
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Post by xig28 on Sept 28, 2009 14:03:09 GMT -5
i dont think they made it easy or if they did i didn't notice it. like someone said people train and they just improve. nagano sure was training
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Post by japantv1210 on Sept 28, 2009 14:36:00 GMT -5
To be honest, I didn't realize they changed it at all. It's still a pretty tricky obstacle though. People just trained and prepared for it. I would not be surprised if it went in 24 or if it is redesigned to make it harder though if the producers are looking for less people clearing the first stage.
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Post by quasikoz on Sept 28, 2009 15:27:32 GMT -5
Hopefully they leave it as is.
If they want to make new stars, they should keep the difficulty where it is to give fresh faces a chance on Stage 2 (that Unstable Bridge looks killer) and Stage 3.
It seems like the Jumping Spider and Slider Jump are the gateways to getting through Stage 1 and the Salmon Ladder is the gateway through Stage 2, hence alot of the new faces failing the Salmon Ladder this tourney.
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Post by Ninja Chris on Sept 28, 2009 15:29:12 GMT -5
Now that people are beating it, I'd hope they move it back to its original length, so that the same amount of people beat it for 24 that just beat it in 23.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Sept 28, 2009 15:43:09 GMT -5
They definitely moved it lower. I was noticing that everyone was grabbing really close to the top of the net. Even people that were moving so slow on it (Wakky) were able to at least touch the net, if that had been 22, he would have wiffed. Personally, I'd like to see it a tad harder, just to warrant its placement on the First Stage.
But man, was that First Stage exciting. You had a feeling anyone that competed could clear.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 28, 2009 16:48:24 GMT -5
i dont think they made it easy or if they did i didn't notice it. like someone said people train and they just improve. nagano sure was training No, they definately made it easier Look at the one from 22, then from 23. Also, look at the people who attempted it. Even if the pipe was nearly side ways and they crawled their way down to the end, people were still able to make it. Maybe the distance was decreased TOO much, but it was enough to make a large difference. Honestly, I was afraid of it before. now it just looks like it'd be really fun =p
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Post by TCM on Sept 28, 2009 17:08:33 GMT -5
I'm half and half on it, on one hand, it was such a feared obstacle seeing so many weird and shocking wipeouts with the thought of "if the bar turns sideways too much I'm screwed" in all who tried it, but seeing it easily passed by many decreases the value of it a bit. On the other hand the obstacle being slightly easier makes for more potential clears on the course, which we all want to see since eventually we all want another kanzenseiha, plus it makes it exciting even more. Like Bada said, maybe it was TOO close to the net, I say push it back SLIGHTLY more, enough for perfects to still get a good grip, but for those too wild on the bar to fight for it but not too much to cause a disaster. But I won't complain if it stays the same distance.
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Post by jfeathe on Sept 28, 2009 18:07:05 GMT -5
I've always stood by the notion that the first stage should be relatively easy. This is the number of clears the first stage should always have.
The second stage also took out an ideal half of the competitors.
I like having 5-10 in the third stage; it gives a feeling of hope while still being brutal.
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Post by Oti on Sept 28, 2009 19:07:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure if they changed it. I'll compare the two sometime.
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Post by penguincatfish on Sept 28, 2009 19:14:14 GMT -5
That's what I've been trying to do for the last hour and a half (because I was watching x-play and aots and now heroes)... the hard thing is the close up shots use different angles, between 22 and 23 the camera's either closer or farther away or higher or lower so you can't really get a good comparison unless they show a really clear side shot from between the gap which I haven't seen yet.
But there seems to be a discussion in another thread and they seem to be making progress.
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Post by obakemono on Sept 28, 2009 19:55:02 GMT -5
It was probably changed, but it doesn't appear to be a major one. I doubt that if they had the old one, we would have seen scores of people falling there. Everyone just attacked it much better this time.
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Post by Badalight on Sept 28, 2009 20:21:36 GMT -5
I disagree, every little bit counts, the people who failed in 22, a lot of them would've passed this version.
So many were just barely short, and with the new decrease in the gap they would've made it.
So yeah, I DO think it would've made a difference.
If anything, they wouldn't have been grabbing the top so much so we'd have seen more time outs and water failures.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Sept 28, 2009 20:41:42 GMT -5
Honestly, lets go who failed there and if they would have passed: Haga and Terek? Probably. Nagano and Levi? That's debatable. Probably not since they both didn't have both hands out. Any of the MM guys, especially the ones that wiffed? I don't think so.
I'm not saying that if the 22 version was in, that the results would be similar. Someone like Kawahara probably would have failed there again. But it has just as much as people understanding the right way to attack the obstacle, with the adjustment helping as well.
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Post by davidcampbell on Sept 29, 2009 5:16:43 GMT -5
it looks like they shortened the gap and also made the net more bouncey making it absorb impact on landing (easier again).
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Post by davidcampbell on Sept 29, 2009 5:20:20 GMT -5
I'm curious to see if they'll change it for 24 making it harder again? I honestly think it's more appropriate for stage1 in it's current form, but I'm kinda pissed that I had the hard version and all the new guys this time had it easy!
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